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Given the power output and potential of these new engines in the last 10 years or so, auto manufactures had no choice but to replace the old "THROTTLE CABLE AND RETURN SPRING" we were accustomed to, with something called "ELECTRONIC THROTTLE" or better known as "DRIVE BY WIRE". DRIVE BY WIRE was introduced to give auto manufacturers a way to restrain or regulate the potential power of the latest generation of engines. In the event the operator of the vehicle could not control the vehicle, or if the vehicle encountered situations where traction was compromised (rain, snow, wheel spin, etc) the ON-BOARD computer would have the ability to over-ride the driver's throttle or "gas pedal" and safely regulate the power output of the engine where torque output was reduced to the point that the driver could regain control of the vehicle. In addition to the obvious safety concerns, it also gave auto manufacturers a means to limit operator abuse of their vehicles. 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You can make the throttle SOOOO RESPONSIVE that I guarantee you won't even be able to drive it, or for those BIG MESSY CAMS that SURGE.... We can simply REMOVE or LESSEN your throttle response to help prevent your vehicle from bucking. While MOST CoW BOOSTER installations will make all TRACTION CONTROL modes function the same, it's also possible to make one mode aggressive and the other mode feel exactly like stock! ANY WAY YOU LIKE IT!:thumbs: CoW BOOSTER is NOT a piece of HARDWARE that gets plugged in. It is a CUSTOM SOFTWARE SOLUTION that took 7 YEARS of DEVELOPMENT, RESEARCH, and TESTING to become a reality. It costs about HALF of what other vendors are offering. It is virtually INFINITELY ADJUSTABLE to SUITE your taste and needs where the competitor's product only has a few skimpy settings. It gives you 100% control of your throttle and IS NOT like other products that simple "FAKE" your gas pedal request to the computer or "skew" the pedal response. 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Interesting. Will look at this again after work. Thanks.
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Chuck, sounds interesting. Can you provide any sort of before and after charts showing the logged movement of the pedal verses the throttle blade, maybe with milliseconds or something? Might be helpful.
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Chuck, I'm interested.
I have been bellyaching about the C6 throttle for years! Since 2007.... http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...ottle+response I can't make it to Carlisle...can you set one aside for me at the GREAT introductory rate? Please let me know. If I love it, I've got a big mouth as you know! Thanks Chuck for the R&D. p.s. did you go to Craigster05's gym...or did he pose for that picture?:lol: |
I had a really hard time following all of that, so what exactly does it do if you claim:
"and IS NOT like other products that simple "FAKE" your gas pedal request to the computer or "skew" the pedal response." "You can make the throttle SOOOO RESPONSIVE that I guarantee you won't even be able to drive it, or for those BIG MESSY CAMS that SURGE.... We can simply REMOVE or LESSEN your throttle response to help prevent your vehicle from bucking." I'm also very curious to see any data showing that driving with traction control off actually provides less response than traction control on. I have never heard that before or noticed it when driving and that would be really interesting to see. If that's true then you've stumbled across some interesting information there. I'd like to see the graph showing that. "when you select any other mode aside from the "DEFAULT" TRACTION ON mode your throttle becomes SIGNIFICANTLY LESS RESPONSIVE than when you first started your car." If this ACTUALLY provides any performance I'll be excited to try it out for 200 bucks, but I'm thinking this only gives the illusion of performance by making the pedal more sensitive? If all it does is change the throttle curve like the Sprint Booster than this is at least a much better price and an option for people wanting that. If undetectable that means there is 0 chance of this voiding a warranty? That would definitely be a plus as well for many "keep it stock" potential buyers. |
Originally Posted by FloydSummerOf68
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I had a really hard time following all of that, so what exactly does it do if you claim:
"and IS NOT like other products that simple "FAKE" your gas pedal request to the computer or "skew" the pedal response." "You can make the throttle SOOOO RESPONSIVE that I guarantee you won't even be able to drive it, or for those BIG MESSY CAMS that SURGE.... We can simply REMOVE or LESSEN your throttle response to help prevent your vehicle from bucking." I'm also very curious to see any data showing that driving with traction control off actually provides less response than traction control on. I have never heard that before or noticed it when driving and that would be really interesting to see. If that's true then you've stumbled across some interesting information there. I'd like to see the graph showing that. "when you select any other mode aside from the "DEFAULT" TRACTION ON mode your throttle becomes SIGNIFICANTLY LESS RESPONSIVE than when you first started your car." If this ACTUALLY provides any performance I'll be excited to try it out for 200 bucks. |
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As DSteck said in the other thread you started, how is your "MAGIC" - that nobody else can do, no tuner in the world has figured out - different from using the electronic throttle section in HPTuners?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/atta...1&d=1313588367 Taking your exact words: When you press the gas pedal in your CORVETTE 50% or HALF WAY DOWN you're actually getting less than 15% of the throttle blade open. Worse yet, when your taking it easy and only stepping on the throttle 1/4 or we'll say 25% down, you're actually not getting much more than 3% of the engine's throttle blade open. Honest question - how is it different? |
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Subbing for some interesting information
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:lurk:..... this just got interesting after the Born reply.
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Sounds good ... I'll stop by Thursday or friday
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Chuck If only you can install will you be coming to fl anytime soon? Or can it be purchased with your hand held tune? If so what is the wait time frame to get this with the hand held tuner? Also if I ordered today would you honor the $99 price? I want to give this a try along with your hand held tuner..I have a 2011 GS With MXO Trans Only mods are a KB103 With Beehive and a Ported TB...Thanks.
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Bear with me and I'll answer EVERY question that I can....
Bear with me and I'll answer EVERY question that I can.... Chuck, sounds interesting. Can you provide any sort of before
and after charts showing the logged movement of the pedal verses the throttle blade, maybe with milliseconds or something? Might be helpful. the difference and how it works. Inside of a day or two I'll prepare some graphs for you folks and post them there with an explanation of what you're looking at.... It's QUITE impressive and the graphs will clearly show the power and response that was "DE-TUNED" from the factory. Chuck, I'm interested.
I have been bellyaching about the C6 throttle for years! Since 2007.... I can't make it to Carlisle... Can you set one aside for me at the GREAT introductory rate? Please let me know. If I love it, I've got a big mouth as you know! Thanks Chuck for the R&D. p.s. did you go to Craigster05's gym...or did he pose for that picture? Hey Joe. You WILL get the amazing price no matter what! You're an asset to the CORVETTE community and this forum and I appreciate your willingness to share your info and experiences with others. I will always help you. YES, it's been a long time, but for ME, it's been since 2005 when I noticed that the ETC throttle calibrations were missing and they are missing for a good reason. NO, they are NOT Craigster05's weak muscles, They are MY MASSIVE BICEPS! :leaving: I'm also very curious to see any data showing that driving with
traction control off actually provides less response than traction control on. I have never heard that before or noticed it when driving and that would be really interesting to see. If that's true then you've stumbled across some interesting information there. I'd like to see the graph showing that. YES, on the Corvette and many other models the main "TC/ON" default mode is the most aggressive and ALL OTHER MODES selected with the TC button are VERY much relaxed. Nobody knows this cause NOBODY can see it. I absolutely WILL have you some diagrams for you so you can see the difference. You'll be IMPRESSED. Please also realize what it does. It DOES NOT increase your WOT TOP END performance. What it DOES DO is REPLACES THE MISSING POWER "under the curve" that GM REMOVED from what could have otherwise been a linear throttle like as if you had a throttle cable instead of ETC. More on this later.... That all sounds very different. Why do vette owners take all nannies
off at the track and run better times, even myself. Even when I bought new they said get use to the car first before you start to drive it hard with all on the off position. upper half of the throttle tables are NOT too far off and don't in any way "LIMIT" your throttle like on the lower 60% of the ETC pedal response. This is NOT A TRICK. REMEMBER: These engines DO ACTUALLY HAVE MUCH MORE POWER earlier in the throttle curve than you know. It's just that everyone is accustomed to (or has learned to) drive them, as they are. We are simple "PUTTING BACK" or RESTORING some of the horsepower down low that was more or less...."STOLEN" from you. Look at Pedal Position again, specifically 26%.
Ah, it says 3 - just as you said. But surely adjusting these in HPTuners can't be done right, because this is a proprietary "CoW" only thing - right? Honest question - how is it different? TABLES TO INCREASE THROTTLE RESPONSE YET??? I NEVER mind being challenged...Not at all. Fact is, just because they are displayed there DOES NOT MEAN that they WORK. Everyone should realize that simply because HP TUNERS shows tables in their editor software or any other software shows something you can modify, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY FUNCTION. For instance, Automatics and sticks of the same year might share the same operating system # and similar engine segments.... In looking at the old LS1 stuff, you regularly see AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION shift, pressure, and other related tables in tunes recovered from STICK SHIFT CARS. You CAN EDIT AND FLASH THEM, but that DOES NOT MEAN that the stick shift car is going to start shifting AUTOMATICALLY simply because you can see and edit the tables. NOW, AGAIN... YOU HAVE PERSONALLY USED THESE HPT TABLES and VERIFIED that they FUNCTION THE WAY YOU BELIEVE THEY WORK???? Or better yet, any time you like.... You can come here with your vehicle and your HPT cable and you can demonstrate to me that you CAN control or better yet, ENHANCE your throttle with the tables you've presented. When you fail to demonstrate to me that you CAN do it.... I'll be a sport and install the CoW BOOSTER into your vehicle ABSOLUTELY FOR FREE just cause I'm a sport like that. As DSteck said in the other thread you started, how is your "MAGIC" - that nobody else can do, no tuner in the world has figured out - different from using the electronic throttle section in HPTuners?
you CAN MAKE the throttle LESS responsive.... But NOT BETTER. I am NOT aware that anyone else can at the moment...and for those that MIGHT be capable....They are for many reasons....UNWILLING. My offer to you still stands.... Chuck If only you can install will you be coming to fl anytime soon?
Or can it be purchased with your hand held tune? If so what is the wait time frame to get this with the hand held tuner? Also if I ordered today would you honor the $99 price? I want to give this a try along with your hand held tuner..I have a 2011 GS With MXO Trans Only mods are a KB103 With Beehive and a Ported TB...Thanks. or to send me the PCM. Once CoW BOOSTER is installed, it can be modified using AutoCal, but for the moment, IN PERSON is the only way. I am working on a remote solution but it won't likely be available for quite some time. It was hard enough to get this far.... (7 YEARS :ack:) YES, if you call me today or tomorrow we'll honor the Carlisle price and you can send me the pcm when I return from Carlisle. Same goes for anyone else interested. Any other questions??? Thank you. Chuck CoW |
If I send you my PCM what is the turn around time? also what is the time frame to get an auto cal? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Chuck CoW
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UM,... YES. So far as I know and have seen with my OWN HPT CABLE,
you CAN MAKE the throttle LESS responsive.... But NOT BETTER. I am NOT aware that anyone else can at the moment...and for those that MIGHT be capable....They are for many reasons....UNWILLING. My offer to you still stands.... My question still stands, how is it different from using that table? It sounds like you're saying it isn't different, and you're asking me if I've personally used the table and did it work :bigears No, I personally have not used it but I did a quick search and Joe_G references EFI Live and HPTuners both having a similar table - and he says it is used and does make a difference.
Originally Posted by Joe_G
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Yes this sluggish response on the tap of the pedal is exactly what I'm talking about. It's a killer if you like to heel and toe downshift like I like to do. Makes it nigh impossible to do and that's no good for road course use. I noticed it the first time I drove my C6 from my C5, the C5 was always snappy.
EFI Live had that throttle rate table for a while now. Pro tuners knew to adjust it on cars that had the factory sluggish rate settings to make the car feel snappy. It's new from January in HP Tuners. To prove how long and hard I fought this sluggish throttle, look here! http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...response+table I was trying since 9/07. I knew something was wrong, and tried a lot of things. Here is what that throttle rate table does - courtesy of Chris at HP Tuners: the table is called "Throttle Area Increase Rate" and the short help says "This table controls the rate of increase of desired throttle area, set to maximum to disable." The value is the amount the desired throttle area (the effective area opened by the throttle blade) is allowed to *increase* per "tick" of time within the PCM. eg. In the ECM drive by wire works roughly like this: 1. Pedal position is measured 2. Pedal position is translated into a requested throttle area % (Driver Demand Throttle) 3. This is arbitrated against all the other allowed throttle requestors, like Cruise Control, Idle and various forms of torque management and failure modes. 4. the lowest is chosen (if nothing else is active then this will be the Driver Demand Throttle) 5. At this point the ECM knows where the throttle wants to move to and also it's current position. It just has to decide how fast to move the throttle from it's current position to the desired position. This is where this table comes in. 6. If the throttle area is *increasing* this table is looked at and the throttle is moved an amount based on the current position and the table value. If it's 1% then it won't move much this "tick". If it's 100% it will probably move directly to the new position (or as fast as is mechanically possible). 7. The amount of time it takes for the throttle to increase to the new position depends on this table. Small numbers take longer, 100% is the fastest. So it's a ramp rate The intent of this table is to make the throttle move slower in low speed driving situations or prevent unwanted driveability issues on smaller engined vehicles in higher gears/low RPM. This is why usually if calibrated this table will have numbers like 1% or 5% at the lower RPM or pedal positions in low gears. Unfortunately for higher powered vehicles it acts as an unwanted traction control. It also removes that nice crisp response you get in a blown car when you snap the throttle at low RPM. FWIW the table I'm referring to is included in the LSx Tuning guide: http://www.ls2.com/boggs/ls1edit/ls1...ing%20info.htm Anyone with any experience using that table, either with no change, worse response or for the better, is free to chime in. |
My Hp Tuners does not have the tables you posted above. There is another throttle rate opening table that it does have.
Look here for more information. Cliff's notes are most cars aren't tuned sluggish from the factory, but 05's are. http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21714 Chuck, thanks for the kind words! I might suggest that in your first post you make it a little more clear that this is a solution that currently requires you to be on site to implement. I thought it was a device like the sprint booster. Not everybody's as lucky as me...that you come down to S. FL a couple of times a year! |
Originally Posted by Joe_G
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My Hp Tuners does not have the tables you posted above. There is another throttle rate opening table that it does have.
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The large font works for me...my eyes are getting old.
Will this affect my current tune? |
Originally Posted by BornSUPERCHARGED
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My question still stands, how is it different from using that table? It sounds like you're saying it isn't different, and you're asking me if I've personally used the table and did it work :bigears No, I personally have not used it but I did a quick search and Joe_G references EFI Live and HPTuners both having a similar table - and he says it is used and does make a difference. His table is different probably because his software was older, that post was made on 2009 and the software was updated after that apparently to include the new features/tables. FWIW the table I'm referring to is included in the LSx Tuning guide: http://www.ls2.com/boggs/ls1edit/ls1...ing%20info.htm Anyone with any experience using that table, either with no change, worse response or for the better, is free to chime in. I can tell you that it works. I did notice a difference in throttle response. I can tell you it is something he has been working on for quite some time. It is not something that can be done with "off-the-shelf" tuning software. It is a system he designed. For the particulars you have to ask Chuck. . |
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