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Joe_G 02-13-2012 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by LEAVINU (Post 1580001734)
Congrats Joe! :thumbs:

What's she weighing in at these days?

Last time I weighed 3195 (car only) with about 1/4 tank. Yesterday I had 1/2 tank or a little more, so I'd guess 3200 or so. I was probably 200 with my heavy winter coat.

I actually left my garage with a light jacket...as I rolled up the windows, went back in for my rarely used winter coat! We florida folks aren't used to the first digit of our temp starting with a 4...49 as I left my house.:lol:


Originally Posted by ITS STOCK (Post 1580002376)
Nice time Joe and killer 60' :thumbs:

Thanks! I am very happy with the 60's. That accelerate into the launch trick that Robz told me about is really the key.

You cannot let your car bog or it's a 1.8 60 foot. On those 1.445 launches the car never went below 4800 RPM throughout the launch process.

I have only 414 tq so I have to spin the engine. I think Z06's and Zr1's with 100+ more ft lbs are able to bog more than me (based on listening to their launches).

I think it's been proven that the stock z06 clutch will not handle a 6700 rpm launch no doubt given the much higher torque of the 427.

I wonder if a Zr1 would handle a 6700 launch with its dual clutch....

JUIC3D 02-13-2012 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by Joe_G (Post 1580002479)
Last time I weighed 3195 (car only) with about 1/4 tank. Yesterday I had 1/2 tank or a little more, so I'd guess 3200 or so. I was probably 200 with my heavy winter coat.

I actually left my garage with a light jacket...as I rolled up the windows, went back in for my rarely used winter coat! We florida folks aren't used to the first digit of our temp starting with a 4...49 as I left my house.:lol:



Thanks! I am very happy with the 60's. That accelerate into the launch trick that Robz told me about is really the key.

You cannot let your car bog or it's a 1.8 60 foot. On those 1.445 launches the car never went below 4800 RPM throughout the launch process.

I have only 414 tq so I have to spin the engine. I think Z06's and Zr1's with 100+ more ft lbs are able to bog more than me (based on listening to their launches).

I think it's been proven that the stock z06 clutch will not handle a 6700 rpm launch no doubt given the much higher torque of the 427.

I wonder if a Zr1 would handle a 6700 launch with its dual clutch....


It's interesting you say that Joe--as I've had my car bog multiple times and I still get high 1.5 60fts. If I want a low 1.5, I have to keep the rpms up but these Mickeys really stick and cause my rpms to bog down to 3500 on a few of my passes.

You say you only have 414tq though? I thought you made more for some reason. Perhaps its the additional torque that lets me "recover" from the bogged launch?

LEAVINU 02-13-2012 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by Joe_G (Post 1580002479)
Last time I weighed 3195 (car only) with about 1/4 tank. Yesterday I had 1/2 tank or a little more, so I'd guess 3200 or so. I was probably 200 with my heavy winter coat.

I actually left my garage with a light jacket...as I rolled up the windows, went back in for my rarely used winter coat! We florida folks aren't used to the first digit of our temp starting with a 4...49 as I left my house.:lol:


That's in street trim though right? Surely you're not pushing 3200lbs with the drag pack and no passenger seat. :eek:


You Floridian's are something else. :lol: I was working outside in the elements Saturday night into the AM and weather.com showed 7deg's where I was standing. :crazy:

CDaniel525 02-13-2012 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by Justinjor (Post 1580001113)
I did a few things.

1) Removed the clutch spring. Well, Joe removed it the first time we met at PBIR, but ya-it's gone.
2) Removed the inspection plates on the bellhousing.
The problem with the corvette hydraulics is that the clutch dust has nowhere to go when it is generated and it then penetrates the vulnerable slave cylinder which is why the fluid turns black.
To assist the clutch dust from exiting, I removed the 2 plastic inspection ports on the lower sides of the bellhousing. I did this a few months ago and my clutch fluid has been remarkably clean ever since. I still do the fluid swap, but what used to take 3 or 4 cycles of clean fluid to 'repair', now only take 1 cycle.
3) My burnouts are now only 3-4 seconds. I used to do longer smokier burnouts to get my Toyo drag radials hot, but these Mickeys don't take much to get them ready.

I also swap the fluid before and after the drag strip as Joe recommended to me awhile ago. I don't expect to get 450+ passes on it, but I'm knocking on the door to the 150+ pass, 70+ of which have been with the cam installed.

Hope that helps.

Big thanks again to Joe for his invaluable information he has so graciously shared with me. Thanks buddy :cheers:


Originally Posted by Joe_G (Post 1580001148)
I do the Ranger method before and after each event religiously since new. The fluid is pretty much always clean, even yesterday evening after those events.

Removed pedal spring as soon as I put in a cam. It was sticking to the floor after the cam (but not with only bolt ons).

I don't think my car has anything plugging the inspection ports on the bell housing, I've seen tracks of clutch dust on the bell housing.

Check out the clutch dust on the video! My buddy said it looks like a pro stocker belching out dust. :lol:


Thanks for the info guys... Between you guys, I might have to move to Fla for the killer knowledge you guys have in addition to the great weather! lol Ill look into removing the dust covers!
I be a big part of the problem was the first time the fluid was ever changed was when I got the car with 29k miles! now I do it all the time and removed the spring since last trip to the track... Curious to see if thatll help! But hope to get those covers out before next track day anyway

JUIC3D 02-13-2012 02:23 PM

For me, even if removing the spring didn't do anything for performance, it was such a relief to rid the car of the 'staged' clutch pedal feel. I really disliked the feel of the pedal and much prefer the linear pedal travel.

Neumonic2002 02-13-2012 02:54 PM

Congrats Joe!! Appreciate the video as well :cheers:

firefighter813x 02-13-2012 03:27 PM

Sick run! Congrats.

Joe_G 02-13-2012 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by Justinjor (Post 1580002544)
It's interesting you say that Joe--as I've had my car bog multiple times and I still get high 1.5 60fts. If I want a low 1.5, I have to keep the rpms up but these Mickeys really stick and cause my rpms to bog down to 3500 on a few of my passes.

You say you only have 414tq though? I thought you made more for some reason. Perhaps its the additional torque that lets me "recover" from the bogged launch?

I think that's what it is. Remember I've only got 472/414 to your what, 494/445? That makes a big difference.

What's odd is we're both running 128. I compared our two best slips last night, I 60'd you by .06 but you et'd me by .08. It's all in the 1/8, your car pulls mine in the 1/8, I have 4 shifts in the 1/8 vs your 2.




Originally Posted by LEAVINU (Post 1580002656)
That's in street trim though right? Surely you're not pushing 3200lbs with the drag pack and no passenger seat. :eek:

Oh yes. I'm a convertible remember, I think it weighs 40 lbs more or so from the factory.

Here's my car nearly empty of fuel and nothing in the cubbies. Yesterday I had 1/2 tank of fuel and my usual assortment in the cubbies - 4 way tire iron, patch kit, small compressor, pliers, screwdriver to take out the clutch spring (Justin I forgot I had that in there when you were up at the track, I really do carry such a screwdriver!), etc.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...g/e4c0aa0d.jpg

One time another evening when I weighed the car with drag pack, seat out, etc. but including my assortment of accouterments and 1/4 tank of fuel it was 3195. I didn't snap a pic.

JUIC3D 02-13-2012 04:03 PM

The only other difference in our cars are the gears, right Joe? I make a hair more power, and you have a better gear for the 1/4 mile. My mph is a little higher in the 1/8 than yours, but you obviously come on strong by the big end. I'd love to race heads up one day-talk about a drivers race! :steering:

Oh, and :lol: at you having that screwdriver.

Joe_G 02-13-2012 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Justinjor (Post 1580003970)
The only other difference in our cars are the gears, right Joe? I make a hair more power, and you have a better gear for the 1/4 mile. My mph is a little higher in the 1/8 than yours, but you obviously come on strong by the big end. I'd love to race heads up one day-talk about a drivers race! :steering:

Oh, and :lol: at you having that screwdriver.

Because of my shift to 4th before the 1/8, I get 30 mph in the big end to your 26...but you get 102 in the 1/8 to my 98 so there's where that 4 mph is. The last 660 is exactly 1.563 seconds in both of our cars.

It would be a great race. I think you have the edge in power but I've got a slight edge in experience. :cheers:

JUIC3D 02-13-2012 04:10 PM

:lol: That is pretty interesting actually. You are/were my Mr. Miyagi and I learned from your teaching and we run identical times? :rofl: Awesome

Joe_G 02-13-2012 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by Justinjor (Post 1580004026)
:lol: That is pretty interesting actually. You are/were my Mr. Miyagi and I learned from your teaching and we run identical times? :rofl: Awesome

The mark of a good teacher is that the student surpasses the teacher Grasshopper...lol

Frankly, you have REALLY learned to drive that car and that's all you - you listened to a few tips and ran with it. Not many can get a 1.50 with a stock clutch.:thumbs:

JUIC3D 02-13-2012 04:20 PM

I had a good instructor.

I only need another ~.1 to take the top spot for LS3 internal modification and all the guys ahead of me have way more mods than I do. I just need a nice cool day

Joe_G 02-13-2012 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Justinjor (Post 1580004127)
I had a good instructor.

I only need another ~.1 to take the top spot for LS3 internal modification and all the guys ahead of me have way more mods than I do. I just need a nice cool day

Yes you do. You've come a long way in a short period of time. One cool day with good track prep and you'd have it. Sorry I didn't think to call you yesterday, you're a little far, but man, it was wide open track and negative DA in the sunshine all day. That's about as rare as hen's teeth here!

PRE-Z06 02-13-2012 04:39 PM

From my experience of swapping from 3.42 to 4.10 gears at my lesser power levels it was worth ~13/7
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/perf...o-results.html
Though the gears are actually worth 2-3 tenths ET, which fwiw turbovic has a non-z51 trans that held him to a 1.61 60'

Joe_G 02-13-2012 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by PRE-Z06 (Post 1580004295)
From my experience of swapping from 3.42 to 4.10 gears at my lesser power levels it was worth ~13/7
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/perf...o-results.html
Though the gears are actually worth 2-3 tenths ET, which fwiw turbovic has a non-z51 trans that held him to a 1.61 60'

That's true I forgot that 4.10 gears reduce dyno results but they do. I found a great explanation of why and posted it years ago.

Gears make it a lot easier to launch truth be known. I found a difference even between 3.90's an 4.10's. But 4.10's with H/C make it a lousy 1/8 mile car due to the extra shift. That was my first "6" second 1/8.

JUIC3D 02-13-2012 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Joe_G (Post 1580004288)
Yes you do. You've come a long way in a short period of time. One cool day with good track prep and you'd have it. Sorry I didn't think to call you yesterday, you're a little far, but man, it was wide open track and negative DA in the sunshine all day. That's about as rare as hen's teeth here!

I might have made the trip. I just installed the battery and would have liked to try it out. My C5 brackets should be here tomorrow and that should allow another ~17lbs to come off the front end. If the weather is decent, I'll be going to bmp Thursday night.

ctusser 02-13-2012 10:56 PM

That added nothing to the thread.... This isn't OT

sebaj 02-14-2012 06:34 AM

Congrats Joe! Great run!

Kerrdogg 02-14-2012 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Joe_G (Post 1580004288)
Yes you do. You've come a long way in a short period of time. One cool day with good track prep and you'd have it. Sorry I didn't think to call you yesterday, you're a little far, but man, it was wide open track and negative DA in the sunshine all day. That's about as rare as hen's teeth here!

Crap, figures, I even woke up early but had lotsa paper work waiting for me at the office...........

Congrats


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