Cam/Headers Question...
I have decided to buy myself a piece of mind and upgrade the LS7 due to this valve guide debacle. Patrick at Quality Motorsports in Lewisville, TX and I discussed what is best for my needs/wants and here is what we came up with:
WCCH-GM Stage 2 CNC LS7 Heads Cam package; dual valve springs, 160 thermostat Ported intake manifold and throttle body LG carbon cold air intake My question to the group is what advantages do I gain by also installing headers? I am at my budget limit for this upgrade so if they are installed it will be at a later time. I know the car will sound throatier (is that a word?) and gain some HP, but it seems like $2k for an exhaust note is kinda steep. Will it be worth it to install them by themself at a later date? Question 2: the cam spec he gave me is 237/252? What does that mean and how much HP can I expect to put down? I'm hoping to hit around 550. Thanks for the info gentlemen... |
Originally Posted by Sm5654
(Post 1582487081)
I have decided to buy myself a piece of mind and upgrade the LS7 due to this valve guide debacle. Patrick at Quality Motorsports in Lewisville, TX and I discussed what is best for my needs/wants and here is what we came up with:
WCCH-GM Stage 2 CNC LS7 Heads Cam package; dual valve springs, 160 thermostat Ported intake manifold and throttle body LG carbon cold air intake My question to the group is what advantages do I gain by also installing headers? I am at my budget limit for this upgrade so if they are installed it will be at a later time. I know the car will sound throatier (is that a word?) and gain some HP, but it seems like $2k for an exhaust note is kinda steep. Will it be worth it to install them by themself at a later date? Question 2: the cam spec he gave me is 237/252? What does that mean and how much HP can I expect to put down? I'm hoping to hit around 550. Thanks for the info gentlemen... The following is a comparison dynograph in my car with the listed modification before and after the installation of KOOKS Headers and catted X pipe. The car was tuned with the listed modifications and while still running the stock exhaust manifolds, run for a few weeks, and then the headers were added in place of the stock manifolds, and the car retuned for the headers. The graph and the Run Files are enclosed for both. Bottom line is if you're doing a cam, then I'd strongly recommend the headers if you can swing them. The bottleneck in my original setup, was the stock exhaust manifolds and cats. This is actually a continuation of my prior thread. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...h-torquer.html In that thread I ultimately made the decision to add headers. With the headers and the tuning now taken over by Ed Hutchings, the car is at 527.34 RWHP/492.75 RWTQ over the prior 508.02/482.81 with the stock manifolds. Peak gains are impressive, but the real benefit of the headers, and what has made them well worth the money, is demonstrated at around 3500 -3700 RPM where there is a gain of 26.81 RWHP/ 38.05 lb/ft RWTQ over the stock manifolds. At 3750 RPM there is about a 40 RWTQ difference.....and yes, you can feel it. There is a gain throughout the entire RPM range, as indicated in the comparison dyno chart. So if anyone is wondering how much power I was leaving on the table by running the stock manifolds, the answers are below. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps5f2bd621.jpg Look at what happens, with the horsepower and torque readings comparing the pulls with the stock manifolds vs with the headers, at any given RPM, but especially from about 3500RPM on in to 6800 RPM which is where we shut it down. This is the "before", ie the setup without headers and using the stock manifolds with the best tune that we could get. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps5d4d05d9.jpg This is the "after", ie the setup with headers and using the stock manifolds, and following final tuning for the headers. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps91400898.jpg Modifications include DRM Bilstein shocks 2008 axle shafts MGW shifter Katech LS9X clutch Tick remote clutch bleeder Callaway Honker CAI Ported stock Throttle body Ported stock intake manifold Katech Torquer 110 Cam Katech C5R Timing Chain WCCH Stage 2 Cylinder Heads KOOKS 1 7/8 headers X Pipe with Cats NGK TR6 Spark plugs Tuning by Ed Hutchings Forum member RIchieRichZ06 got even more impressive gains after going with headers from the stock manifolds. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...510-new-s.html With regard to your second question, this is a good article if you are interested in what the numbers mean. http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...s/viewall.html |
Yeah....I would do the headers if your going with a cam.
I think many (including myself) are going with the cam upgrade. Someone else will have to chime in about the cam. I'm considering the Ragin Racin Lethal. I probably will take it down to Cajun land to let him do it. |
You are all keeping the stock rockers (just askin')?
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I have been in contact with Patrick at Quality and also Taylor at Dallas Performance and they both suggested just about the same thing and have not had any problems to date on any of their cars. I trust these guys and I think with the bronze guides and SS valves I'm not going to mess with the rockers.
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What kind of numbers do yall think I can put down without the headers?
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I have the same set up but with a smaller cam. 231/247 lsr grind and I hit a little over 550 hp. you should be very close to that. with headers you should be in the 560s to 570 range depending on the dyno. it should be a fun car and drive nicely.
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That's what I'm talking about! One response up top said 527hp with headers... I thought that sounded a bit low. I may splurge for headers. We'll see what the tuners advise.
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your getting the lg intake and asking about headers? really? :D
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That intake was just suggested by Patrick. Are there better intakes?
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Patrick is a really good guy and I highly recommend his shop QM. If he suggest that intake I'd go with it or whatever is in your budget. I just got mine back little over a month ago. Done the whole heads cam thing but I got them milled too. I can't remember what the specs on my cam but I bet it's the stage 4 that's fairly new it makes good power and drives almost like stock to me. With kooks 17/8 headers and calloway intake and other little mods I made 558hp but I'm on 20x13 wheels if that makes a big difference
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I have just started on a similar upgrade path with my 06 Z06. The baseline showed 475 RWHP and after adding a Halltech intake and retuning the MAF it made 490 RWHP. Now, the heads go to WCCH and on go a NW throttle body, ported FAST, a cam and LG LT headers.
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That's a strong baseline. Let me know what kind of numbers you put down with the FAST manifold. I think I'm just going to port the stock intake / TB
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Originally Posted by Sm5654
(Post 1582491397)
That's a strong baseline. Let me know what kind of numbers you put down with the FAST manifold. I think I'm just going to port the stock intake / TB
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http://static.photobucket.com/player...-00-41_981.mp4
idle vid of mine. its about one step down from the one you are looking at. |
Sounds very nice!
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Are you getting this intake, carbon super ram thats $1800?
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...-purchase.html |
Ha no... I'm pretty sure the one I was quoted was a little under $500. I saw when they released that one, no way that thing gives you enough hp for 2g's in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Sm5654
(Post 1582493031)
Ha no... I'm pretty sure the one I was quoted was a little under $500. I saw when they released that one, no way that thing gives you enough hp for 2g's in my opinion.
In my mind, headers are a must....extra HP and sound are worth it plus you'll always think i have left some HP on the table... |
Ya know I'm starting to lean towards the headers too. Something about that throaty exhaust note and a cam... Gotta love it
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