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Scotts97C4 07-16-2013 02:52 AM

Stand alone HEI Conversion 87
 
On my 87 base coupe auto with a new 350ci/330hp Crate Engine.
I'm having issues with the external spark control.
I would like to make it a stand alone type HEI.
I tried changing the module to the old style 2pins on each side.
And it worked great for about 8 sec's then the car died.
I figure its tied into the ECM and it shut it down.

(It was amazing the car started before I stop'd turning the key.)

Has anyone else done this conversion?

vetteoz 07-16-2013 03:21 AM


Originally Posted by Scotts97C4 (Post 1584418402)
I'm having issues with the external spark control.

What issues?


Originally Posted by Scotts97C4 (Post 1584418402)
I would like to make it a stand alone type HEI.
Has anyone else done this conversion?

Unlikely it would run with a non CC HEI ( and the TPI ) because the ECM needs the input signal from the dist in order to fire the injectors

My1991 07-16-2013 03:23 AM


Originally Posted by Scotts97C4 (Post 1584418402)
On my 87 base coupe auto with a new 350ci/330hp Crate Engine.
I'm having issues with the external spark control.
I would like to make it a stand alone type HEI.
I tried changing the module to the old style 2pins on each side.
And it worked great for about 8 sec's then the car died.
I figure its tied into the ECM and it shut it down.

(It was amazing the car started before I stop'd turning the key.)

Has anyone else done this conversion?

You originally had hei/est no way to make the ecm control spark on a hei with vacuum advance.

Scotts97C4 07-16-2013 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by My1991 (Post 1584418435)
You originally had hei/est no way to make the ecm control spark on a hei with vacuum advance.

I don't want the est. Or vacuum advance.
I'll just degree it in and run it that way.
Does MSD have a conversion?

Benny42 07-16-2013 06:07 PM

Your ECM needs distributor feedback to run the fuel pump. It won't run well with no
advance, the system is too integrated to just throw away.

vetteoz 07-16-2013 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Benny42 (Post 1584424011)
Your ECM needs distributor feedback to run the fuel pump. .

Fuel pump is fine ,will run off the OP switch; it is the injectors that rely on the signal to the ECM from the dist.

Alternative is to install the F.A.S.T EZ system that has electronic fuel control with a non CC dist so you can run purely mech advance like the OP wants to

Rohn 07-17-2013 04:06 PM

[QUOTE]I would like to make it a stand alone type HEI.
[QUOTE]

Why?

Scotts97C4 07-17-2013 05:18 PM

[QUOTE=Rohn;1584432114][QUOTE]I would like to make it a stand alone type HEI.


Why?
Because every TPI I have seen has issues with hard starting.
It Shouldn't take 2 seconds or more to start the engine.

When I changed it to the stand alone it started as soon as the engine started to turn over.

The extrenal spark control lacks to say the least.

I did the same thing to an older chevy and it made a hugh differnce.
But it didn't have the spark control on board the ecm.

Rohn 07-17-2013 05:34 PM

That may be related more so to fueling. I was not aware of any deficiencies in the GM HEI/ESC. As good as aftermarket.

bjankuski 07-17-2013 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by Rohn (Post 1584432926)
That may be related more so to fueling. I was not aware of any deficiencies in the GM HEI/ESC. As good as aftermarket.

I agree, this is a fueling issue, you probably need more cranking fuel. If the fuel is dialed in correctly it will start immediately.

Scotts97C4 07-17-2013 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by bjankuski (Post 1584432959)
I agree, this is a fueling issue, you probably need more cranking fuel. If the fuel is dialed in correctly it will start immediately.

I orginally thought that but I replaced the filter.
Then check fuel presure it runs at 39 psi., then leak down went to 37 psi over night.

bjankuski 07-17-2013 11:17 PM

The engine is not stock it probably needs more cranking fuel in the tune then the stock engine. You could also have a bad cold start injector.


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