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vetteoz 11-08-2013 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by MrWillys (Post 1585383892)
Mine is a B&M and they're separate.
One allows a load to pass to the starter in Park / Neutral.
One provides a signal for reverse lights
Another provides a ground signal when in Park / Neutral.

Does your B&M have provision for the 3 switches ?
My B&M Quiksilver only has the 2 , the reason why I never connected the ECM interface

As you note , the stock 6 wire switch is 3 separate switches in one unit
NSS , backup , and ECM


http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...al/Shifter.jpg

MrWillys 11-08-2013 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by vetteoz (Post 1585384839)
Does your B&M have provision for the 3 switches ?
My B&M Quiksilver only has the 2 , the reason why I never connected the ECM interface

As you note , the stock 6 wire switch is 3 separate switches in one unit
NSS , backup , and ECM


http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...al/Shifter.jpg

My B&M only has two also. I use the NSS, but choose the park / neutral over reverse, so it adds 100 rpm in p / n. Mine is 1955, so I figured I'd get away without reverse lights.
No cute schematic that you're known for?

vetteoz 11-09-2013 01:43 AM


Originally Posted by MrWillys (Post 1585384925)
No cute schematic that you're known for?

Are found in 3 different sections of the FSM because each switch is part of a separate circuit

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...trical/TCC.jpg


http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u.../Starter-1.jpg

DUB 11-09-2013 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by vetteoz (Post 1585382964)
There are documented faults in the FSM

Which are??? And is this one of them???? Please clarify your statement dealing with this issue in particular.


Originally Posted by vetteoz (Post 1585382964)
Just repeating what I already stated above in post # 8

What you wrote in Post #8 is not even close to what I wrote. And seeing how at the time of these posts...the year of the Corvette was not known. And with what you wrote in Post #8 "or even being wired up"...come on......then why did GM put it there??? and not just a simple switch for backup lights. This switch has multiple functions.....but I guess you already knew that...and just forgot.


Originally Posted by vetteoz (Post 1585382964)
Seeing the TCC is only activated when the car is in motion unlikely it will engage with the car stationary regardless of whether the ECM
knows if the trans is in or out of gear............

OK... open up another can of worms. Your statement is correct until you begin to drive it and get a VSS signal. But if the ECM sees that it is in park...due to a defective /un-plugged switch...even though you have it in a drive gear it is reading PARK...but is reading a VSS signal...because you are driving it...don't you think that it would confuse the system and cause or a "possible" VSS code like the Manual states.

Evidently I have worked and repaired weird Corvettes that have problems that no one else has.



Originally Posted by vetteoz (Post 1585382964)
Which both Cliffy and I previously stated ;
you were the one implying that bypassing the NSS being discussed in this thread
"also this switch is used by the computer to tell it if it is in (Park/Neutral)"
would affect the ECM :crazy2:

Ok...for some part of this I am at fault because I "assumed" that the poster may just disconnect the connections going to the switch and "jump" the two wires to by-pass it so it would complete the circuit for the starter...and not have any wires going to the switch. In that case it support what I wrote.

I did not write it would effect the ECM. What you got out of what your read is just that. It is not damaging the ECM...the ECM would still be performing its job...which is to maintain the engine, respond to inputs needed to keep it running smoothly and show possible trouble codes due to incorrect inputs that the ECM need to keep the engine running.....unless you feel a trouble code is "effecting the ECM".

Like MrWillys wrote...it is 3 switches in one. Park/Neutral,Neutral/start and backup light switch.

DUB

Mike Cherry 04-10-2020 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by MrWillys (Post 1585365384)
Connect the two wires together. I would not do this other than for testing though. It's dangerous to have it start in gear. Don't ask how i know this?

I have a 1985 Corvette with a automatic and I was told it needs a neutral safety switch. But also told part is not available?


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