C7 Supercar?
 

So I was just wondering if the C7 Stingray can be considered a Supercar. Taking into account it's 460HP, 460 ft/lbs of torque, it's amazing handling and then there's the one of a kind looks.

No not yet wait for zo6 then yes

Nope

no, But I dont consider the 911s/FtypeR super cars, maybe the 911 turbo, but even then.... to me super car is more than numbers, its exclusivity, high price, performance, over the top styling. Cars like italia/hurracan/R8Gt/SLS.
I think the only time an american car company (the big 3) pulled off the super car game correctly was ford w/ the GT.

Just my 0.02 worth :cheers:

:iagree:

I'd love to say that for the large amount of money I've spent adding power and the massive power some of us now have (anywhere from 750-1150whp), we could consider them 'supercars', but...

Pull up to a 458 Italia, MP4-12C, Aventador, etc... and it's fairly apparent that we have a car that's in the same category with the 911, GTR, and similar.

That's still an exclusive club, but not quite 'supercar' status. The Z06 won't be there, either. The ZR1 wasn't, nor will the Z06 be. At a stoplight, the aforementioned 'supercars' will be getting the attention, hands down. :thumbs:

By the way, before I get flamed too badly for that, I would consider the C7 and C7Z to be in the 'Super Sport' class. GT500s, Z-28s, etc. should belong (again, opinion) in the 'muscle' class, while the GT350s, etc. still would be in the 'pony' group.

I failed to mention that when replying with my initial opinion. :yesnod:

It's close enough for me...

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/sad/shak...y-emoticon.gif love my C7 but I don't consider it by any means a supercar. The new Z06 can possibly approach Supercar territory but even that is a stretch.

I have friends that have high end Porsches, Ferraris, Aston Martins, and others and none of them tell me people are taking pictures, videos, giving thumbs up, and wanting to have picture taken with their car. This happens to me every time I take my C-7 out...so you tell me what a super car is.

I think one of the posters above hit the nail on the head.

Popularity does not a supercar make, sadly.


In two years, tell me if people still do the same with us, while Ford GTs, Italias, hell... F40s! Those turn heads for decades.

this.

Supercar Lite.:rock:

Agree for the most part Ford GT yes. the others no I have friends that have them and only sports car enthusiast care...no asks to have their taken with them.

This is one of those threads that I should have known better than to get involved in...

If you know of someone with an F40 or F50 and it doesn't turn heads... I really don't know what to tell you. When you live in a neighborhood with several Gallardos, a GT40 (no, not a GT), and a bevy of other actual supercars, it gives a little more perspective.

Those saying the Z06 will be different... Not really sure I get that logic, but alright...

Anyway, nobody is going to 'win' a rhetorical argument, so back I go to helping people instead of arguing based on opinion. I need to block myself out of General, I swear. :lol:

A DeLorean turns heads, gets people to take photos of it, waives etc, is that a supercar?? As the previous poster said, popularity doesn't make a car a Supercar. Is the C7 a super awesome car? Hell yea. Supercar? Not in my opinion.

The Corvette and all iterations will always be a "sports car."

The term "supercar" is used way too loosely by people today, way too much by the media....sort of like your exGF that said, "I love you" too much and it didn't mean anything anymore. "Supercar" is going the same direction.

Ultracar, hypercar, etc etc are unnecessary, and IMO, stupid.....

Bugattis, McLarens, Paganis, etc are supercars.

Corvettes, 911s (turbo, GT3, whatever) are sports cars.

Just because sports cars today have the performance of yesterday's supercars doesn't make all the categories and names change....

Should a home PC today be called a SUPERCOMPUTER because it outperforms computers from 1, 2, 5, 10 years ago??? Of course not. It's just a damn computer.

No way.

Except for this one... I don't know what to classify it as....


Okay, I promise I'm done now. :lol:

classify it as INSPIRATION. holy moly that is really something to be proud of.

Funny part is, as he mentions, that in EU these C7s are seen as extremely rare. I'm sure they turn a lot of heads over there when Italian sportsters are everywhere. ;)

The great thing about Corvettes is, while it may not be a supercar, it is capable of bruising the egos of supercar owners, and this didn't just start with the C7.

it didn't brake the 500Bhp barrier yet wait till the monster wakes up "Z06" :D

It still won't be a super car.

Theta, don't leave C7 Gen, your posts are spot on.

If 500bhp breaks into supercar territory, does that mean 850bhp makes mine any more supercar-y?

It's the same car, just with more power - a hell of a lot more. Just an observation. I think someone put it best earlier - it's a whole package.

An 1100hp Evo is not a supercar. :lol:

No worries - I just don't want to stir the pot and get people riled up. ;)

I used to think that any car that could top 200mph completely stock should be considered a supercar. Think of all the 200+mph cars in the 90s, pretty much all supercars. Now we have mustangs going 200mph, so I can't use that definition anymore.

I guess it's a matter of opinion.....

I think the '00 Cobra-R at that point in time was considered a supercar based on performance and rarity.

Point being, the definition is also fluid, in that each generation brings a new meaning.

I would argue that supercars become icons later in their life cycle. As with my example of an F40, any of us revere a car like that as a symbol of a supercar, either currently or in the past.

The C7 will be seen as a leap forward in technology and for the Corvette branding as a whole, but not looked back upon fondly as a supercar. I'm sure this same discussion was had about the C5Z, C6Z, and ZR1. The ZR1 had the best shot, and even it failed to meet the true definition as is usually laid out.

Looks like the engineering department at GM refer to the 15' Z06 as a Supercar! Cool rendering of the LT4 in the attached article as well.

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/gm-rele...202000954.html

I did not see where they refer to the Z06 as a supercar. It's a bit of wishful thinking.

They said the LT4 has numbers that approach supercar figures. Not even close to the same as calling the Z06 a supercar.

They were careful to say "on par with". Good marketing move. ;)

Direct quote:

"It's also worth mentioning that the LT4's supercar performance numbers are achieved with an engine that is nearly the same size as the very compact LT1 engine introduced in the 2014 Corvette Stingray," Lee said. "

IMO that implies they feel an LT4 equipped vehicle is a Supercar. Agree to disagree.

" supercar performance " - that's quite different than calling the vehicle a supercar. Sorry, but it's true from a semantics standpoint.

What is rather funny, to me at least, is that out of those of us with the most powerful street-legal C7s, I don't think any of us are under the illusion that we have 'supercars'. I have no fear of the Z06, even modified. It will still need more than a tune and a pulley swap to meet some of our numbers - sorry to those who think otherwise. It's still crippled by DoD and AFM , etc. It's not the C7R, folks.

There are C6s here that will crush the 'Ring times of the C7Z, and make our 700-800whp C7s look silly.

I'm pretty sure those owners don't think they're driving supercars either.

Sorry, it just seems silly...

But anyway, ask Snorman - that guy has a C7 and supercars.... Seriously.

Here's more proof that executives at GM believe the new Z06 is a Supercar.

http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb55e4e78.jpg

Tadge calls it a "True Supercar". Regardless of my opinion, GM is calling it a Supercar.

Ah well, I guess I'm driving a supercar then. Life could be worse, eh?

Though, I wonder if, since their definition of supercar is breaking 600hp barrier, if I could claim having a hypercar (or some other stupid moniker as an earlier poster pointed out) for breaking 850bhp or better...

It just goes on and on. Oh well. I just have a parting thought, and it's actually a decent one:

We're all living the good life, and arguing about how good our cars are. :yesnod:

GM saying it doesn't make it so. Although by GM's standards the wife's Shelby GT500 is a supercar. I'm glad cuz that should make it worth a lot more $$$. :lol:

Personally I don't think the Shelby is a supercar any more than the C7 is a supercar. There was a thread similar to this in C6 Gen a year or so ago. It got very heated because a lot of C6 owners were utterly convinced their GS or 427 was a supercar, and anyone who didn't agree with them was an idiot.

There's no definitive definition of what constitutes a supercar. As others have said it has to do with performance, price, exclusivity, and other factors. By most definitions the C7 doesn't fit any more than any other production Vette. Ask yourself this: Does the C7 or any other Vette compare with and deserve to be in the same category with the Bugatti Veyron, which is no doubt is a supercar. The answer to that question is unquestionably 'no.'

It's really a semantics argument that doesn't matter except for bragging rights for some.

:cheers:

And you, or anyone else, saying that it isn't doesn't make it not a Supercar. Any answer to the question is pure conjecture.

No... at 30K cars produced a year, it can not be in the same class as a supercar, regardless of performance.

Not to mention the decade old automatic and Verts that are overheating on the track... Can't have a supercar that's not track worthy.

The question, itself, is fairly rhetorical, or at least can have no definitive answer.

Toyota can market the Corolla as a supercar. It's always up to the consumer to make their own determination and go from there. It helps to care less what others think, as well. :thumbs:

mfserge, I am going to introduce you to a new term:

Puffery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pufferyhttp://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=228
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/puffery
http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/puffery/


I encourage you to actually click on the links above. It will help you in life, going forward.

Tadge is on the General Motors payroll. His word is as good as their advertisement tonight on CBS or TNT.

I thought you said 'puffin hatchery'... adorable little things...

https://i.imgur.com/YsJutHV.jpg

Higgs, let's clear the air, I dislike your posts and wish to not communicate with you. Frankly, I could care less about how you feel about me and your 'life' advice is meaningless to me. Let's stay clear of each other's posts.

The air has always been clear. Sorry you don't have an intelligent reply.:thumbs:

If you don't want to communicate with me you don't have to. If you post something incorrect or flat out silly, like admitting you believe in Chevy's "supercar press release" then I will reply.

All you can do is add me to your ignore list.

... Aaaand this is why arguments like these are pathetically stupid, folks.

Enjoy your car, stop worrying about what everybody else thinks. This is going downhill, requesting a lock.

Please show me where I said I believe in their press release that the Z06 is a Supercar. Furthermore please read my post on page 1 where I said that the Z06 being considered a Supercar is a stretch. I was pointing on that GMs executives and engineers feel that it is a Supercar.

Take your definition of puffery and life advice and http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/fa...super-fart.gif

Honestly, you should have taken your own advice here and stopped communicating.

Reported as inappropriate.

There is a major problem on this board with members not actually reading other's posts and just making insinuations about what the posters are saying and/or meaning. Nowhere did I said the Z06 is a Supercar but GM feels that it is. I didn't defend their comments, I merely pointed them out. You people need to learn not to put words in others mouths 'posts'.

sorry, i guess these confused me....looking back i see a post or two by you that indicate that you don't think it's a supercar, so i have no issue apologizing. the "agree to disagree" comment, i thought was directed towards me but looking back at it it could have been towards GM/Tadge. either way, calling the C7 a supercar is indeed an example of puffery. :-)

Yes, notice how I said 'they feel' 'GM believes' and 'regardless of my opinion, GM is calling it a Supercar'. My original opinion was stated on page 1 that calling it a Supercar is a 'stretch'.

I attempted to contribute something conversation worthy to the topic of this thread instead of attacking a fellow poster.

Why can't we have a discussion without things getting personal?

I've read through this thread again....NO WHERE have I seen a definition posted of a Supercar!....NO WHERE.

Do you guys know why? Because the definition is different for everyone-even for Tadge.



If we can't have this thread being reduced to personal jabs and pissing contests, we can just close the thread.

Can we also have a ban on huge stupid animated smileys please?

How about we get back on topic rather than slinging crap and whining shout none sense like smiley faces.

What makes a car a Supercar? Is it price? Exclusivity? Materials? Production methods such as everything being made in-house with hand stitched leather etc? Power? A combination of all of thee above?

according to the Wikipedia page for Supercar, the first usage of the term was used in a 1920 car advertisement......which makes the whole notion of "supercar" puffery from day one!

a supercar is nothing but a term used to inflate connotation.

Does the Stingray have "supercar" performance? Simply answered.. Yes. It is capable of performing competitively against other sport cars that run up to the $300,000 range.

But does that make the Stingray a "supercar"? The answer is no. Alot of that is due to the definition of the word super. It doesn't just start/stop with performance. It also refers to exotic materials, design & powertrain.. and would also include social status and rarity. While the Stingray is a magnificent car, its a pretty simplified formula when compared to other supercars. It's still a mass produced RWD, naturally aspirated V8, two door sports car that is expected to sell over 30,000 units every year. Its output of 460hp.. is easily topped by plenty of current 4-door luxury sedans. All that equals up to a combination that just doesn't seem very "super" or outstanding from a random vehicle that may pull up beside at a stoplight on a given day.

The Z06 is different animal. Its power output, performance, drivetrain and rareness does make it a supercar. The C7Z06 is capable of outperforming any other car you will encounter on the street or racetrack.. with the exception of a few cars running over the $500,000 mark. The Z06 will be fairly rare and has a unique supercharged engine with an abundant amount of carbon fiber to include the drive shaft. With 650hp & 650tq.. there are very few cars in the world that top its power. While there's no technical definition of what makes a car.. "super". I don't think too many many people would deny that the new Z06 is not a super, because of what it can accomplish and how fairly rare they will be in the near future.