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DucatiDon 10-22-2014 11:57 AM

Timing advance question
 
Im compiling all of my car info and I came across my ignition advance numbers for my 327/340 in my 63. (it doesnt have the Duntov cam, some other solid lifter cam)

It runs pretty good as is BTW.

According to my notes, I have 11* initial timing
Mechanical adds another 14* all in my 3200 (IIRC)
Vacuum can B26 provides 16* with 12" vacuum at 700 RPM.

Would I be better of to have more intial, and less vacuum can?
What would anideal combo be? I note that the B28 canis recommended, but its 16* advance also.

Will I gain anything If I epoxy or weld the Advance can to limit advance to 11*, and advance the initial to 16*?

This is the same dizzy that I will be using on my 383, so Id like to plan ahead to dial it in correctly.

Thanks!

Frankie the Fink 10-22-2014 12:08 PM

I would think your centrifugal would.add a lot more than that to get you near the magical 36* "all in" number.

tbarb 10-22-2014 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by DucatiDon (Post 1588096954)
Im compiling all of my car info and I came across my ignition advance numbers for my 327/340 in my 63. (it doesnt have the Duntov cam, some other solid lifter cam)

It runs pretty good as is BTW.

According to my notes, I have 11* initial timing
Mechanical adds another 14* all in my 3200 (IIRC)
Vacuum can B26 provides 16* with 12" vacuum at 700 RPM.

Would I be better of to have more intial, and less vacuum can?
What would anideal combo be? I note that the B28 canis recommended, but its 16* advance also.

Will I gain anything If I epoxy or weld the Advance can to limit advance to 11*, and advance the initial to 16*?

This is the same dizzy that I will be using on my 383, so Id like to plan ahead to dial it in correctly.

Thanks!

I would suggest 12-14 initial with the B-28 vacuum advance control providing 15+- connected to full manifold vacuum advance like it originally was.

The original 1963 distributor has a 24* centrifugal advance and you should try to get it all in by 3000RPM.

This set up provides,

1, 27-29* idle advance, (12-14* initial + 15 vacuum)

2, 36-38* WOT advance, (12-14* initial + 24 centrifugal)

3, 51-53* total cruise timing, (12-14* initial + 24* centrifugal + 15 vacuum)

DucatiDon 10-22-2014 12:27 PM

Ok, so perhaps I was mistaken beliveing that 41-42 was the absolute max with vac.
You are saying 52* cruise is ok? I have the Lars paper here somewhere...

Ill have to look inside the dizzy and see why Im only getting 14* advance.

I doubt its the original distributor as well.....Id be surpised anyway..

Frankie the Fink 10-22-2014 12:35 PM

48* at cruise is quite safe; 52* is "on the edge". My '61 handles 52* at cruise quite nicely but you have to be careful -- you don't want detonation or "trailer hitching"...

tbarb 10-22-2014 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by DucatiDon (Post 1588097193)
Ok, so perhaps I was mistaken beliveing that 41-42 was the absolute max with vac.
You are saying 52* cruise is ok? I have the Lars paper here somewhere...

Ill have to look inside the dizzy and see why Im only getting 14* advance.

I doubt its the original distributor as well.....Id be surpised anyway..

How much manifold vacuum is present on your engine at curb idle RPM fully warmed up?

What carburetor are you using? If it's a tach drive Corvette distributor you can set the centrifugal advance curve without to much trouble.

DucatiDon 10-23-2014 11:10 AM

I have 12" vacuum at idle. Gm dist. Maybe original. AFB carb. 340hp car

tbarb 10-23-2014 05:18 PM

If you have 12" vacuum you need the B-28 that's pulled full at approx 8" vacuum, that will keep the idle stable.

The original Carter AFB is part #3461. If you have this carburetor take good care of it because they are hard to find. Start there and target your timing like I posted above.

DucatiDon 10-23-2014 05:47 PM

My carb is a 3721 SB 64 250hp manual... I believe.

tbarb 10-24-2014 08:55 AM

The 3721 will work just fine. If you have the original aluminum intake manifold consider wiring the heat riser open use a thick gasket between the carb and intake.


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