I got put on a GM "export" or "shippers" blacklist - NEED HELP PLEASE!!!
Hello folks. I went to order a 2015 Stingray and was informed by my dealer that my name (with address) shows up on some blacklist that GM has and says that I have (I guess illegally) exported a Corvette out of the country. He says that until I get off that list I cannot be sold a car. :crazy:
What I can't figure out is how I got on the list and what to do about it. I have bought somewhere around 20 new Corvettes since 1999 and have always sold them to someone in the US, never overseas. To get to the point, has anyone here had experience with this and have a point of contact to get it worked out? I have called a contact at GM that's in the Corvette chain of command so to speak but he hasn't called me back. With the holidays here he may be out of the country for all I know. I'm sure I'm not going to get it fixed until after the first of the year but I'd like to at least try. My dealer had an allocation for me today but I'm going to miss it because of this issue. :mad: Thanks for any help, names, phone numbers, etc you can give me to chase this rabbit down the trail! |
Originally Posted by Vettin Man
(Post 1588523207)
Hello folks. I went to order a 2015 Stingray and was informed by my dealer that my name (with address) shows up on some blacklist that GM has and says that I have (I guess illegally) exported a Corvette out of the country. He says that until I get off that list I cannot be sold a car. :crazy:
What I can't figure out is how I got on the list and what to do about it. I have bought somewhere around 20 new Corvettes since 1999 and have always sold them to someone in the US, never overseas. To get to the point, has anyone here had experience with this and have a point of contact to get it worked out? I have called a contact at GM that's in the Corvette chain of command so to speak but he hasn't called me back. With the holidays here he may be out of the country for all I know. I'm sure I'm not going to get it fixed until after the first of the year but I'd like to at least try. My dealer had an allocation for me today but I'm going to miss it because of this issue. :mad: Thanks for any help, names, phone numbers, etc you can give me to chase this rabbit down the trail! |
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Originally Posted by Vettin Man
(Post 1588523207)
Hello folks. I went to order a 2015 Stingray and was informed by my dealer that my name (with address) shows up on some blacklist that GM has and says that I have (I guess illegally) exported a Corvette out of the country. He says that until I get off that list I cannot be sold a car. :crazy:
What I can't figure out is how I got on the list and what to do about it. I have bought somewhere around 20 new Corvettes since 1999 and have always sold them to someone in the US, never overseas. To get to the point, has anyone here had experience with this and have a point of contact to get it worked out? I have called a contact at GM that's in the Corvette chain of command so to speak but he hasn't called me back. With the holidays here he may be out of the country for all I know. I'm sure I'm not going to get it fixed until after the first of the year but I'd like to at least try. My dealer had an allocation for me today but I'm going to miss it because of this issue. :mad: Thanks for any help, names, phone numbers, etc you can give me to chase this rabbit down the trail! https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ying-a-c7.html |
First find out what law GM is applying in refusing to sell you a car. Get a copy then you can decide if it's worth hiring an attorney. There might be a loophole somewhere.
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I see the name Bill Miller in your post, which is a very common name. You also purchased a 2013 Corvette, which means that your name was added to the GM "blacklist" fairly recently. If that's your name, I would think that GM has additional identifiers to differentiate the person on their blacklist from the thousands upon thousands of other Bill or William Millers that live in this country. Do they also have your DOB, Social Security number, etc.? If I was going to do something illegal, I'd use a common name such as Miller, Smith, Jones, Johnson, etc., etc. I suppose it's possible that someone may have used your identity to export a vehicle out of the country.
It's pretty easy for you to prove who you are with legitimate documentation. (i.e birth certificate, Social Security card) I'd throw it back on GM and have them show proof that you are who they "think" you are. Just a shot in the dark. Good luck! :cheers: |
If you have bought a car from a GM dealer, why can't you do with it what you will? I don't think they have any legal right to stop anyone exporting their car, as long as it is paid for. Otherwise, they are saying that a GM car owner cannot take his/her car with them if they get sent overseas. Sounds very spurious to me.
If it's not sorted pronto, get a lawyer to write to their corporate counsel alleging defamation and threatening to sue. That should wake them up. |
Originally Posted by jackthelad
(Post 1588530503)
If you have bought a car from a GM dealer, why can't you do with it what you will? I don't think they have any legal right to stop anyone exporting their car, as long as it is paid for. Otherwise, they are saying that a GM car owner cannot take his/her car with them if they get sent overseas. Sounds very spurious to me.
If it's not sorted pronto, get a lawyer to write to their corporate counsel alleging defamation and threatening to sue. That should wake them up. |
i still don't see why the op can't either
1. use someone else for the 1st title or 2. start a corporation and purchase the car under a corporation |
Originally Posted by thisMSGgood4me
(Post 1588532007)
No one (company or individual) can be forced to sell something to someone else (another company or individual). If GM has a policy regarding exporting their vehicles (which they apparently do) and chooses not to sell a vehicle to a particular individual (the OP in this case) because GM thinks that individual may export the vehicle, that's their prerogative. No law can force GM to sell a vehicle to said individual.
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Originally Posted by DevilDog II
(Post 1588532358)
While I agree that you can't force GM to sell someone a vehicle if it violates corporate policy, it seems to me that there would some recourse if the individual is not in fact the person blacklisted. If I attempted to purchase a new Corvette and was denied based simply on the fact that GM "thought" I was going to violate their export policy, I would at the very least demand proof for the basis of that decision. Secondly, if they refused to provide that proof, I would never purchase another Chevrolet during my lifetime.
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This is absolutely stupid, stupid, stupid.
Why should GM, or for that matter, anyone, care where a vehicle winds up after the sale? This just doesn't make sense. I have sold a few cars in the past, and of late, the last two were on their way to Australia. Once the money is in my bank, I couldn't care less where the vehicles wind up. When all the greenbacks are accounted for, I couldn't care if the car is shipped to outer space. This GM policy is crazy. Bob. |
Originally Posted by thisMSGgood4me
(Post 1588532482)
I agree, it would suck if you were blacklisted by GM but you weren't the individual GM thought you were. In that case, the only thing you could do is try to convince GM of such, and get yourself removed from their blacklist. Having said that though, there's still nothing you could do should GM continue to choose to refuse to sell to you. What harm have they done to you? Not sold you a vehicle? There's no monetary harm in that action. You can't win any damages if there are no damages to begin with. It sucks, but that's life, and you move on.
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Originally Posted by DevilDog II
(Post 1588533043)
I agree, but as the long time buyer of Chevrolet vehicles they wouldn't see my old butt in a Chevrolet dealership again. I'd wager an educated guess that GM would be hesitant to give the OP any information so that he can disprove it. If the OP has a common name as I suspect, that's probably where the confusion arises. GM placing someone on a blacklist because they "think" he's exported a vehicle seems to be a great way to alienate prospective customers to me. This type of foolishness is only exceeded by the number of recalls on their new vehicles.
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GM is on my blacklist. The car is a pleasure to drive but I will never buy another GM car. Never imagined all the aggravations I would have when I bought the car. :crazy:
You can bet your bottom dollar that the C7 will have more recalls in future years and other problems GM will conveniently forget to repair. There has been already 2 recalls and a stop sale order this year. GM never changes. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...idn-t-fix.html |
There is no law that prohibits exporting a legally purchased car so GM is doing this out of greed. They consider it scalping. Do they have a legal leg to stand on? That depends on the jury. Sue the crap out of GM and see if their policy holds up in court.
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Originally Posted by thisMSGgood4me
(Post 1588533145)
I'm sure GM's attitude, especially when it comes to the C7, is that they don't care if you don't buy it, someone else will (or said another way, if they don't sell it to you, they'll sell it to someone else).
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Originally Posted by laurent_zo6
(Post 1588533632)
GM is on my blacklist. The car is a pleasure to drive but I will never buy another GM car. Never imagined all the aggravations I would have when I bought the car. :crazy:
You can bet your bottom dollar that the C7 will have more recalls in future years and other problems GM will conveniently forget to repair. There has been already 2 recalls and a stop sale order this year. GM never changes. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...idn-t-fix.html http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/v...ps8375bb3a.jpg |
Originally Posted by DevilDog II
(Post 1588527734)
I see the name Bill Miller in your post, which is a very common name. You also purchased a 2013 Corvette, which means that your name was added to the GM "blacklist" fairly recently. If that's your name, I would think that GM has additional identifiers to differentiate the person on their blacklist from the thousands upon thousands of other Bill or William Millers that live in this country. Do they also have your DOB, Social Security number, etc.? If I was going to do something illegal, I'd use a common name such as Miller, Smith, Jones, Johnson, etc., etc. I suppose it's possible that someone may have used your identity to export a vehicle out of the country.
It's pretty easy for you to prove who you are with legitimate documentation. (i.e birth certificate, Social Security card) I'd throw it back on GM and have them show proof that you are who they "think" you are. Just a shot in the dark. Good luck! :cheers: |
Originally Posted by racebum
(Post 1588532240)
i still don't see why the op can't either
1. use someone else for the 1st title or 2. start a corporation and purchase the car under a corporation |
Originally Posted by Crosis
(Post 1588533716)
There is no law that prohibits exporting a legally purchased car so GM is doing this out of greed. They consider it scalping. Do they have a legal leg to stand on? That depends on the jury.
Originally Posted by Crosis
(Post 1588533716)
Sue the crap out of GM and see if their policy holds up in court.
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