[ANSWERED] How Does No-Lift-Shift Work
Original question is here.
BJ67 asked: Exactly how does NLS work and exactly what mode do you have to be in? and what other settings are required. Also does rev match have to be on or off or does the system work the same regardless of rev match. Non z51 base car. I know how to power shift but the technical details are important. Tadge answered: No Lift Shift (NLS) works in all driver modes and with rev match on or off. In other words, all the time. Many manufacturers seek to reduce the stress in their drivelines by sensing the conditions for a power shift and close the throttle regardless of what the driver is doing with the throttle pedal. The problem with closing the throttle is that when the next gear is selected and the clutch is re-engaged, the intake manifold has very low pressure. The throttle then has to re-open to fill it and feed the cylinders. Although this all happens very quickly, there is a delay for the engine to back up to full torque (and these effects are magnified in charged engines where intake manifold pressures are higher). Although I can't share the calibration details, the NLS algorithm looks for the conditions where the driver is requesting maximum performance and, within certain bounds, keeps the throttle fully open during the shift to keep the manifold pressure relatively high. In this way the engine is ready to provide full torque upon completion of the shift. The performance difference is easily measured in our straight line acceleration testing. And of course the Corvette is designed for and fully validated for this usage. |
Thank you Tadge, Although the calibration details would have been extremely interesting.
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Which Model/Year corvettes does this work on?
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All C7's and later C6 cars
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Originally Posted by BJ67
(Post 1590626133)
All C7's and later C6 cars
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launch control has nothing to do with NLS on the C7. I also believe launch control does not have to used or activated for NLS on the Camaro, Cadillac or the later C6 cars.
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Originally Posted by BJ67
(Post 1590626453)
I also believe launch control does not have to used or activated for NLS on the Camaro, Cadillac or the later C6 cars.
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Originally Posted by jvp
(Post 1590626463)
The NLS system in the later C6 cars is different than what's in the Caddies and Camaro. It requires you to use launch control, and is not on otherwise. I can assure of that fact.
Do you have any idea what GM uses to control RPM during a NLS? If it's keeping the throttle wide open, then it has to be either spark or fuel. Since stock cars use fuel-cut as the default for the rev limiter, that would be my guess. More info would be cool, though. |
So basically any driving mode. Just leave the gas fully depressed, and clutch. Shift. Drop clutch. Leave gas fully depressed the whole time?
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when you initiate a no lift shift , foot on the floor and keep it there, do your shift as close to 6500 as you can with out hitting the rev limiter first. If for instance you initiated your 1-2 shift at 6400 rpm, the NLS feature keeps the rpm at 6400 during that split second foot to the floor blip the clutch and shift all at the same time technique. The feature holds the rpm you initiate the shift for a very short time. If you are slow doing the power shift or screw up, the system just lets the engine hit the rev limiter which is 6600 rpm if you are slow to lift of the throttle.
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Originally Posted by ElCid79
(Post 1590628434)
So basically any driving mode. Just leave the gas fully depressed, and clutch. Shift. Drop clutch. Leave gas fully depressed the whole time?
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I thought about NLS when doing the Mojave Magnum 1.5 mile run. I couldn't fight my instinct to let of the gas. Decades of driving manual says it's all wrong!
Great question and great response. Thank you Tadge! |
I tried this and hit the rev limiter. Guess I wasn't fast enough.... Will try again.
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Question, can NLS be tuned into the earlier cars? I would love to have this on my 08.
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When I do the NLS I start the action at 5800 rpms, peak hp. also gives a bit of room for a screw up...haven't had that problem yet but you never know.
Mt '09 was not fun to do the NLS in as it dogged going into the next gear, was better dong speed shifts. |
Originally Posted by ElCid79
(Post 1590647848)
I tried this and hit the rev limiter. Guess I wasn't fast enough.... Will try again.
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Originally Posted by rcooper
(Post 1590649495)
When I do the NLS I start the action at 5800 rpms, peak hp. also gives a bit of room for a screw up...haven't had that problem yet but you never know.
Mt '09 was not fun to do the NLS in as it dogged going into the next gear, was better dong speed shifts. |
Originally Posted by Huntsman2007
(Post 1590648181)
Question, can NLS be tuned into the earlier cars? I would love to have this on my 08.
Do not know if it existed in 08, and not sure what year the naturally aspirated vettes got it. |
This kills the life of the clutch no?
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Originally Posted by xlr8nflorida
(Post 1590652103)
This kills the life of the clutch no?
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