Code name Zerv
 

https://i.imgur.com/Kod7vtQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FKVA6PN.jpg

???

No leaf springs?

Looks to be possible cutaways from the mid-engine C8, save images while you can.

Someone report this to the magazines lol

I am no expert but with the upswing exhaust manifoldsystem looks like an engine for a rear mid engine application? Now if it has anything to do with GM or the C8 who knows?

The aperture panel in the cad sure looks like a match for what can be seen on the camo'd cars.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...a8b3567207.jpg

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...b8b8201ef6.jpg

*edit* Here's a link to the images. I saved them this morning as soon as I saw them.

*edit again* GM must really not want this stuff online. My imgur album was deleted by someone other than me. Nice try GM, but I have the originals I downloaded from the OP.

https://imgur.com/gallery/H1gyL


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...ba586fa995.jpg

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...e05f1f922c.jpg



These are straight up CAD images from the mid-engine car. This is your C8, people.

Somebody is gonna get so fired over this. Give it 2 hours, this will be all over Jalopnik, Autoblog, and others.

From the images:

-Coil springs (FINALLY).
-Magshocks (or spool valve, either way, fancy shocks).
-Upper front arms look to be similar to C5/6/7 with trunions.
-Lower front arms look to be similar to C5/6/7 with camber eccentrics.
-Rear subframe is HUGE and is a very strange mix of cast parts and welded tube. Can't tell if it's welded or bolted together in the middle.
-Engine is an LT1.
-Looks like factory shorty headers instead of cast manifolds.
-Engine has alternator relocated.
-Not sure what the upper-right accessory pulley is for. Upper left is water pump, lower right is AC.
-Oil filter looks easy to get to.
-Oil cooler clearly shown above filter.
-Half-shafts look to be the "bolt on flange" style (no draining trans to remove shafts).
-That transaxle is BEEFY. Like, dear god. Can't tell if it's auto or manual. If I had to wager, that's the automatic (guessing from shape of bottom of trans and what looks to be coolers hanging around it).
-Giant flat space above transaxle is more than likely for intake box/filter.
-No turbos shown.
-Frame looks to be similar to C5/6/7 with giant hydroformed rails (probably still aluminum). Disappointing. I was hoping for proper unibody. Hopefully with a fixed roof it'll be stiffer.
-Brake rotors are 1 piece. Calipers are MASSIVE.
-Side skirts are mechanically fastened just like C5/6/7. Still going to be horrendously expensive to fix if damaged.
-Brake ducts clearly shown on front.

Guarantee that Tadge is fighting some fires right now.

Can't wait to see this thing released.

Damn, missed the pics!!

:crazy2:

And what do you think this is, then?

Pics gone. Anybody save a copy?

Wow. Those pics came and went FAST.

Are the images really gone? They're showing up for me.

If not, here's a link to an album of them:

https://imgur.com/gallery/H1gyL​​​​​​


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...ba586fa995.jpg

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...e05f1f922c.jpg

Oh look. Coilovers! I suspect one of the issues in attempting to retain
leafsprings is height. The ME platform allows the engine to sit lower behind the cabin. A leaf spring stack would cost at least an inch of clearance and would need to sit under the transaxle. If there are plans for active suspension or lowering as in the Ford GT, the coilovers are out of the way and there is lots of technology based on the use of coilovers.

Now if we could just see what the body looks like.

:lurk:

Lol this is already on Jalopnik and Road and Track

I'm not an expert at reading CAD drawings. But can someone tell by looking at these if the transmission is at the rear? If it is, does this confirm that manual transmission will not be offered?

If that's the transmission/transaxle at the rear, then it doesn't look like any currently-available off-the-shelf DCTs or autos.

Could that mid trans-axle section be a point for a Partial Hybrid setup?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...4459c17b93.png

Between Figure 18 and the engine in the patent drawing.


I'm surprised no one having mentioned the Tremec TR-7007 and 9007. Does anyone think if that DCT would be able to fit in there?

Thanks for the detailed analysis!

The imgur album was deleted by someone other than me. Nice try GM. I have the originals I downloaded from the OP. I'll just keep reuploading them.

https://imgur.com/gallery/H1gyL

:lurk:

The transaxle definitely appears to be at the rear of the car to me. You can see the outputs of the gearbox on each side, facing left and right, directly behind the engine. (the golden circles underneath the pink catalytic converters). This is typical for mid-engine layouts.

You can still have a cable operated manual transmission in this configuration. It would be just like the porsche cayman/boxster, which I believe is cable operated.

Hmm, here's the press sheet on those: http://www.tremec.com/anexos/Literat...ansmission.pdf

It says it's "modular design for RWD, AWD, and trans-axle platforms." I'm not sure if that means rear engine layout. I'm not sure it's possible to design a transmission that works in both configurations; the output location is different and mid-engine trans are necessarily much shorter so that there isn't a huge rear overhang. I think trans-axle means the current corvette configuration, of front engine -> torque tube -> trans and diff in the rear.

So I don't think GM will use the TR-7007.

I bet it won't make more than 475hp. The only revisions GM will make are intake/he/exhaust and tune. There is more room for proper headers, as the CAD shows which will net 10HP. I doubt GM will throw any money at the small block anymore when it has to develop a DOHC turbo.

I disagree. If the MR is to eventually replace the FR then it would be smart to have the pushrod for lower tier models to hopefully keep the price closer to where it is now.

I never said the small block won't be used, quite the opposite.

I hope it's at the rear otherwise it's rear engine :hide:

Here is a manual I drove once.

Attachment 48235284

Long live the SBC! Awesome stuff :woohoo:

The little motor that keeps on going! Legendary!

Trans is at rear. If it was underneath it would be a front drive or a Testarossa.

There have been mid engine cars with manual trans since the 1930s so no issue there.

Possible GM could have released these on purpose

:D The one bigblock427 is using looks damn good to me.

I figure at some point GM will turn up the heat on IB and you will be sent to the rack as punishment. :rofl:

Can't wait...the details are interesting if true...

Either way the upcoming corvette rear mid engine is a must have.

Gotta agree. All I want is one more. A C8

[QUOTE=MikeyTX;1596181938]:D The one bigblock427 is using looks damn good to me.

:iagree: I have other body suggestions also.

Is it just me, or do other think the engine displacement looks small? Maybe it is because the heads cannot be seen?

Heh ......... I guess we'll know come a year from now when it is released. Other leaks excluded.

Awesome!!! I am ready to place my order!!!!!

Looking at the very back of the transmission, it looks like there's a mainshaft and a pinion shaft visible over/under each other in a cutaway. Looks like either a manual or a dual clutch transaxle if that's what those are. Also I wonder in what form GM incorporated a version of the E-diff in there.

Wow

35hp bump is what the gen V small block got by implementing both VVT and DI. Yes, you can get that easy in the aftermarket but in the OEM world IHE can only be improved very slightly.

Same here. I've already started the water torture on SWMBO.

I'm ready to sell my C5 and pull money from the retirement fund for a down payment.

What I'm liking about the engine/trans CAD images is the longitudinal layout rather than a transverse one. This helps explain the long tail end aft of the cockpit.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...fffda312a3.png

one of the accessories/pulleys looks like it belongs to an electric assist motor like on the Silverado's with E-assist.

I am keeping my fingers crossed that my back issues get no worse. My spine is arthritic. I drive my Z06 sparingly now. I start spinal decompression next week. I can only keep my fingers crossed.

I bet kriscolorado is upset his design has been stolen!

That is a great observation. Enough to convince me that these CAD drawings are authentic.

I found this pic online and it shows some detail of the rear side scoops. Granted these may be camouflage, but it could provide clues.

Here's the original. And, the outline of the body lines around the side scoops that I think they show. The lines I'm seeing are very different from all the ME renders posted so far.

They are very similar to the C5 outlet scoops on the front fenders. I also thing the square-ish top of the steering wheel is interesting.

Just for the fun of it, I played with the image settings in Photoshop to bring out some details.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...18681a9ac9.png
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...a79341237c.png
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...3715043836.png

Appears to be a turbo OHV and not a turbo DOHC.

Also, you can see the long coil over shock for the rear suspension.

Glad to see what appears to be a smaller, less intrusive diffuser like the C6's.

Also, the wraparound taillights appear to be of a more sophisticated styling,

I have a feeling that you have more to show us.

Thanks again ZERV!!!

I'm hapy to see a turbo in there but I bet the purists are going to loose their minds :lol:

It is what it is. Whatever it takes for GM to keep the Corvette viable in this day and age, so be it.

I would not say identical, but they do appear to me as the same. The rear diffusers on the photo of the rear fascia wrap around the corner, while the diffuser in the CAD photo does not.

That's my question, too.

Missing CAD pictures still on Road and Track, CorvettOnLine, CorvetteBlogger, Jalopnik, 2nd largest C7 forum, and several other sites elsewhere. Yesterday, they quickly appeared on eight national media sites, but remain MIA on Detroit News and Detroit Free Press (FREEP).

Yes, I've seen the photos from a couple of days ago.

I was asking about the photos posted by ZERV this morning at 5:30AM.

Sorry on but I am on west coast time and missed them. I would love to see them too.

Wouldn't be surprised if its a mild hybrid like the new Wrangler turbo 4 and Mercedes straight 6s.

Still curious as to why the car itself looks so much longer than a 488 or Huracan but a battery pack might just explain it...

if you are still not seeing them on this forum, google 'mid engine corvette'; they are all over the internet. if that doesn't work, look on another computer.

i see them in several posts on this thread.

where's the turbo? this appears to me to be naturally aspirated. the turbos reportedly will be combined with the 4.2 and 5.5 dohcs.

The image we're asking about was posted by ZERV at 5:26am this morning. By 6:30am, it was gone. (post #65)

The images all over the internet that you're talking about were the original images posted by ZERV 3 days ago.

I still have it in 65,66, & 73

No. It's not illegal.
THis forum has hosted many images of unreleased Corvettes over the years.
Please upload the pic that you save to your Corvette Forum image gallery,
then post the link to your gallery in this thread.

Thank you.

PS

I just did the same now for example.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/g/album/8777713

Isn’t it still visible, it is on my machine

That's because it's in your browser's cache.

Save it to your hard drive, then post it so the rest of us can see it, too. :thumbs:

Not sure how to do that with this I pad

1. Press your finger against the image.

2. Tap the Save Image button that appears, as shown in the figure (or tap Copy, depending on what you want to do with the image):

• Saved images end up in your Photos library (Saved Images on an iPad; Camera Roll on an iPad 2 or third-generation iPad), from which they can be synced back to a computer.
  
• If you tap Copy instead, you can paste the image into an e-mail or as a link in a program, such as Notes.

3. In some cases, typically advertisements, you also see an Open button or an Open in New Tab button, which takes you to the ad image.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...622af550dc.jpg

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...124d8946e.jpeg
See if this works. Let me know if you see this

WOW Zerv Throwback to
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...c269308822.jpg
Cerv 3?

I see it. Thanks! :thumbs:

they plan to sell all current corvette models plus the m/e through 2021 so adding the m/e asap only gives more options to buyers; if they don't want a c7, they can buy an m/e. it would provide a sale for gm that would otherwise be lost to a competitor.

The Indy or the Cerv 3 would still be brilliant cars today.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...5e5f656186.jpg

this doesn't provide several sources of cad pictures for all?

https://www.google.com/search?q=mid+...firefox-b-1-ab

i didn't go online until about 9 am pacific this am and it has been available every time i looked since then.

maybe it's firefox; hope it works for all.

Excellent link. Guess it's time for Mary B to blame it on the Russians .......... :D

Mike...you're hopeless.:lol:

That is clearly a pic of a cylinder head/exhaust manifold/turbo and intake tube......

Looks to me like it will have adjustable suspension like the Ford GT...gaging by the pneumatic or hydraulic line apparently emanating from the bottom of the LF shock/spring assy.

I assume this because the brake line and ABS speed sensor wire are also visible in the same view...this and zooming in on the bracket that these mount to on the frame indicates 2 significant hoses' hard mounting points on the frame where they will transition to tubing.

:cheers:

bub, that is very exciting analysis. Thank you very much. I heard a while back that GM had at least contracted with a supplier to develop such a system for the ME, but wondered whether it was going to make it into production.

A “front axle lift system” (which is what Porsche calls it, and is priced by them at $2,590) would be an extremely exciting option for many Corvettes owners, especially those of us who have lowered our C7’s and who typically encounter steep driveway aprons, speed bumps, etc.

Months ago, at a gathering of about six C7 owners, we unanimously agreed that at roughly $2,500-$3,000, we would all buy it when/if it became available for our next Corvette.

I would be happy to avoid the “45 degree, incline-approach method” necessary almost daily. Count me in. Porsche’s works to 37 MPH; maybe GM will even have a automatic triggering method based on the 2016+’s three front fascia cameras.

Thanks again bub. Still smiling after reading your post.

This coming year is going to get really interesting. I have a feeling there will be more of these seeing daylight.

This new member only has 3 posts, so these CAD leaks must be bogus, right? :rolleyes:

What do you guys notice in the new leak? :)

doesn't show on the pictures i'm seeing. i see one picture that has 4 exhaust tubes coming from the side of the engine going to a fairly complicated muffler, but no turbo system associated with it. maybe you have a picture that isn't showing for me. with a turbo system, the 6.2 can have an easy 700+ hp.

:iagree:

Looks like they will have a window to see the top of that designed plenum top. Most mid engined exotics are showing off their engines.

Dual injection system Port and Direct it looks like.

What I cannot figure is the air element looking thing under the TB intake tube.

Seems to me the engine strategy is similar to what happened with the introduction of the C4. GM brought out the 84 with the previous generation CrossFire motor followed by the newer technology TPI in 85. So we see the C8 potentially introduced w the C7 6.2L pushrod. Will the rumored DOHC motors be introduced and available only AFTER the initial C8 debut? Or simultaneously?

With a intake manifold design like that, I am sure they will have it visible by the use of glass or some other material. Wow, excited stuff! Can’t wait for more! Hmmm I wonder if the base C8 will actually be a OHC, V8 with one (or maybe 2) turbos? Interesting.....

I know how people around here feel about Stance and other companies in the same ballpark, but they have standalone kits (air or hydraulic "cups") that can be installed on a front coilovers setup. Most expensive being the KW HLS (hydraulic lift system) which can range from $3-8k+. Obviously OEM would be ideal but if people are lowering their car, having spent money on a nice coil setup, might be worth looking into one of these "cup" kits, which by the way does not alter the handling, or geometry etc. Head to YouTube for some vids, they're actually really clever systems.

Did anyone manage to see this image???

:lurk:

What image? Did you save it?

Its up on Jalopnik

I still see it on post 129. but I seen it around 4:00 am when it was posted.

I am hoping we get a good shot of the body now. It's clear the OP has more than just the 3 or 4 he posted. I hope so anyway. While these shoots are cool I think we are all waiting to get a glimpse of the side profile or of the front or rear body clip.

Hopefully the OP is saving the really good stuff as an Xmas girt to all us Corvette guys that can't wait another 10 or 12 months to see the C8.