Tightening the oil filter
Hello folks
This may sound a bit trivial, but I'd like to read some opinions on the best way to tighten the oil filter following an oil change. From my understanding, spin-on oil filters are often hand tightened with a tight grip, but being that the C7 filter sits in a recessed area, it's somewhat difficult to apply a firm hand grip. What I was considering was to do tighten by hand, and use a filter wrench to tighten 1/2 turn. Is that acceptable/bad idea? Is there a specific torque amount, and does 1/2 turn with a wrench usually exceed this torque value? Thanks in advance. |
Spin it down until the gasket touches then 3/4 turn. Be sure to put a little oil on the gasket. I can usually get that much by hand.
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As a person who constantly gets under their car alot for 20 years of mechanics, I can say I go hand tight snug (so I can get it off by hand whenever I want also) and then re-check it every so often to be sure. It usually feels tighter than when I put it on after some heat cycles.
I like most of the things on my car like that, barely tight or almost too loose. Hose clamps on the radiator leak the first time so I can go just a hair tighter and they are "loose as possible not to leak" for example. Same with any lines, bolts, they are gently snug as needed b/c I keep re-checking and inspecting. |
Last time I changed my oil I couldn't get the darn oil filter off, so I bought these guys:
Havent tried them yet, but I figure between the three I should be good, problem is there isnt much room to get a oil filter wrench on there (I bought one anyway cause I needed one) I always get hand tight, then add another half to quarter turn or so |
Jerry U created a pdf about how to change the oil and filter, but I don't have a link to the pdf handy.
He said that the specification for torquing the oil filter is 22 ft-lbs and that he thought it was too tight and would distort the gasket. I concur. 22 ft-lbs seems insanely tight. I stick with the "turn by hand until the gasket touches" then turn another 1/4 to 1/2 turn. (Edit: This is wrong. My error, I was tired after a very long day. As corrected below, 3/4 turn is correct.) In this link: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ump-specs.html there is info that for a Z51 the torque settings are 22 ft-lbs for the filter and 18 ft-lbs for the oil plan drain plugs. 18 ft-lbs still seems tight to me. I use the box end of a combination wrench and tighten by hand until it feels reasonably tight, but not too tight. I have never had a problem with that method in many decades of changing my own oil. Jerry U's pdf doesn't specify a drain plug torque. |
Originally Posted by juanvaldez
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Spin it down until the gasket touches then 3/4 turn. Be sure to put a little oil on the gasket. I can usually get that much by hand.
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Originally Posted by driver9
(Post 1596652462)
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I stick with the "turn by hand until the gasket touches" then turn another 1/4 to 1/2 turn. .......................... |
Yep, instructions say 3/4 turn. I think aircraft oil filters say 22 ft/lbs, seems too tight to me. The cheap, end cap style oil filter tools usually work in tight spaces if the filter isn't on insanely tight.
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Originally Posted by GOLD72
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The Delco filter carton advises at least a 3/4 turn. I would expect a 1/4 turn to start leaking in a few weeks due to thermal cycling loosening the filter. That's what happened twice in a row when I used the dealership's 5 free oil changes in their quick lube dept after a couple of weeks on my Suburban 20 years ago. Both times I had to crawl underneath to tighten it myself. So called Professionals screwing up a simple job.
Yep, those dealership "free" oil changes can end up being anything but "FREE". |
I've been changing my own oil since I got my first car in 1986 and have never had an oil filter come loose on me or leak oil. I've always just tightened it by hand, and I find that when I go to remove it the next time, it actually seems like it's on there even tighter, as it can't be removed by hand, I always need to use a filter wrench (I like the ones that are "end caps" that go over the end and allow you to use a ratchet for extra leverage)
I have yet to do an oil change on my C7 (although I plan on doing it soon as I'm at 780 miles now and might do it at 1000) so if I can't get enough leverage on the filter by hand, I'll use the end cap wrench and just tighten it a "reasonable amount" but I won't make it too tight. |
Originally Posted by GOLD72
(Post 1596652949)
The Delco filter carton advises at least a 3/4 turn. I would expect a 1/4 turn to start leaking in a few weeks due to thermal cycling loosening the filter. That's what happened twice in a row when I used the dealership's 5 free oil changes in their quick lube dept after a couple of weeks on my Suburban 20 years ago. Both times I had to crawl underneath to tighten it myself. So called Professionals screwing up a simple job.
Point being, I'm pretty sure the engineers that say 22 torque are right, and everybody else is second guessing them. I am now officially super skeptical of the hand tight directive. If for no reason other than everybody has different strength in their hand. Wack-a-doo accuracy going on. |
Torque to 22 lb-ft. See post #2 here: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ue-values.html also see (6:00 mark): https://youtu.be/Q6q3kKly6HA Hope this helps. |
I got out a shop manual. 25 lb/ft. Granted that's a 1969 manual, the current spec has softened to 22 lb ft, but I'm old school, so still do 25.
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3/4 turn after gasket touches, and add a light bead of oil to the gasket. It has always worked for me on all cars, and makes it easier to remove the filter on future oil changes. I also prefer the end wrench to the strap-type. Good to know about the 22lb ^^^...
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In tight spaces the "cap" end fit tool is the best. IMHO
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Jack's link is broken, here's what he was going for I think:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...d71799ec6c.png https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ue-values.html |
Originally Posted by driver9
(Post 1596652462)
He said that the specification for torquing the oil filter is 22 ft-lbs and that he thought it was too tight and would distort the gasket. I concur. 22 ft-lbs seems insanely tight.
there is info that for a Z51 the torque settings are 22 ft-lbs for the filter and 18 ft-lbs for the oil plan drain plugs. 18 ft-lbs still seems tight to me. I always follow the spec for every car I have owned in the last 30 years, and have had zero issues. To torque the filter, you need a filter wrench that goes over the end an has a center drive. |
Originally Posted by driver9
(Post 1596652462)
Jerry U created a pdf about how to change the oil and filter, but I don't have a link to the pdf handy.
He said that the specification for torquing the oil filter is 22 ft-lbs and that he thought it was too tight and would distort the gasket. I concur. 22 ft-lbs seems insanely tight. I stick with the "turn by hand until the gasket touches" then turn another 1/4 to 1/2 turn. In this link: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ump-specs.html there is info that for a Z51 the torque settings are 22 ft-lbs for the filter and 18 ft-lbs for the oil plan drain plugs. 18 ft-lbs still seems tight to me. I use the box end of a combination wrench and tighten by hand until it feels reasonably tight, but not too tight. I have never had a problem with that method in many decades of changing my own oil. Jerry U's pdf doesn't specify a drain plug torque. Of interest my 2017 Grand Sport Manual says to turn 3/4 to 1 turn after the gasket touches! As I always have, clean off the matting surface AND put a thin film of new oil on the gasket. Same oil you used to partially fill the filter before installing. You do that right! I have a filter wrench that fits the bottom of the filter with a 3/8 female drive in the center. Gives an accurate torque reading and I use it to make that 3/4 to 1 turn from touching. Yep, as I recall 18 ft-lbs is what the stock drain plug is to be tightened. However I have two quality drain plugs and like many items don’t use a torque wrench. When removing the side drain plug was ready with a 1/2 inch drive breaker bar and 6 point 15mm scoket. That is what I needed on my Z51 first change. However the Grand Sport oil cooler extends down past the plug and is very close. Recommend getting a 6 point box wrench! Funny the front drain plug came off so easy and no Loctite as on the side. It was way to easy to remove, IMO! GM didn’t follow their own torque spec! I don’t know why I did with the first change on the C7-guess it helped with the proper post! :lol: |
Originally Posted by C7AW
(Post 1596651809)
Hello folks
This may sound a bit trivial, but I'd like to read some opinions on the best way to tighten the oil filter following an oil change. From my understanding, spin-on oil filters are often hand tightened with a tight grip, but being that the C7 filter sits in a recessed area, it's somewhat difficult to apply a firm hand grip. What I was considering was to do tighten by hand, and use a filter wrench to tighten 1/2 turn. Is that acceptable/bad idea? Is there a specific torque amount, and does 1/2 turn with a wrench usually exceed this torque value? Thanks in advance. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...9aacb51ffe.jpg |
Also, be advised that on rare occasions the old gasket can remain on the engine block, so when the filter is removed it remains, and two gaskets will leak. Did that once on my mower and a friend had it happen to his C7 at a dealer, noticing a puddle of oil in his garage the next day. When a dealer does my free oil changes I crank the car and check for obvious leaks before exiting the parking lot.
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