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jimmyb 08-13-2018 02:45 PM

Sounds like a Wankel to me....:leaving:

I do not think it's a flat plane engine, doesn't sound like it revs high enough.

King Dranzer 08-13-2018 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by VetterFlyer (Post 1597782855)

In my humble opinion a FPC is no advantage in toque or HP and may be a disadvantage in weight and balance. The Sound difference is just from the redesigned Hot V exhaust. If you read the info on the Cadillac 4V, 4 cam, 4.2L V8 where the V mounted twin turbos gives them the opportunity to design the exhaust pulses to be Even for each turbo, helping the turbo lag and even out the heat pluses. That will make the exhaust sound just like a FPC engine, from a normal V8 uneven pulses. Also the turbos will quiet the exhaust reducing muffler requirements and temperature. We will learn to love the sound. I want one. Jim

Turbos controlling the exhaust pulse is one thing I am not sure of. First of all I don't think it is possible. Even if it possible there is no practical reason for Chevrolet to implement it.

NY09C6 08-13-2018 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by likeaboss
I had three GT350s (long story) but the first one did not have any excessive oil usage while the other two required about a quart between the 5000 mile oil change intervals. What did concern me was the rate of bone stock engines grenading. I do miss the 8250 redline and sweet exchaust note though...

1 quart for 5k is not even close to being a concern. Although none of my cars have ever come close to that, even approaching 200k.

vetteman41960 08-13-2018 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by lrobe22 (Post 1597770778)

Absolutely the worst sounding car in either GTLM or GTD. Sound like crap at any rpm range and especially when getting on the car coming out if a slow speed corner.

I think the short clip we heard on C8R is much closer to the 488.

King Dranzer 08-13-2018 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by vetteman41960 (Post 1597786094)
Absolutely the worst sounding car in either GTLM or GTD. Sound like crap at any rpm range and especially when getting on the car coming out if a slow speed corner.

I think the short clip we heard on C8R is much closer to the 488.

Yes it sounds nothing like a V6. It sound lot like European V8. That is the reason I ended up believing it to be FPC as there is no other practical reason for the engine to sound like that.

ferrmaro 08-14-2018 02:15 AM


Originally Posted by Quinten33 (Post 1597781188)
...only two modern FPC V8’s have exceeded 4 liters of displacement. One is obviously the 5.2L Voodoo V8 in the GT350, and the other is a 4.6L V8 in the Porsche 918...

Lest we forget the best one of them all? The mighty F136 4.5L V8 from the Ferrari 458 Italia. 132.67 HP/L in Speciale guise.

likeaboss 08-14-2018 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by NY09C6 (Post 1597785949)
1 quart for 5k is not even close to being a concern. Although none of my cars have ever come close to that, even approaching 200k.

Did say it was, but other owners were more like 1 quart every 1,500 miles or less which is a bit excessive.

JerriVette 08-21-2018 11:00 PM

I believe ferraris flat plane crank is 3.9liters in forced induction form is what we could see from the hot vee derived 4.0 twin turbo cadillac form.

i dont think we will see a flat plane crank twin turbo sized above 4.2 liters.

GrampZ 08-22-2018 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by ferrmaro (Post 1597787597)
Lest we forget the best one of them all? The mighty F136 4.5L V8 from the Ferrari 458 Italia. 110 HP/L in Speciale guise.

Voodoo is 101 bhp/liter. Not too shabby, especially since it's 15% bigger than the 458's mill. 🇺🇸

Parcival 08-22-2018 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by likeaboss (Post 1597766091)
That's called a Shelby GT350 since Ford did it first. I am a little concerned about the move to the FPC because in the case of said Ford it was the least mod friendly Mustang to date.

on the FPC aspect yes, on looks no ...only Ford GT has any Italian blood in the skin.

MitchAlsup 08-22-2018 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by Quinten33 (Post 1597781188)


Adding to your point, only two modern FPC V8’s have exceeded 4 liters of displacement. One is obviously the 5.2L Voodoo V8 in the GT350, and the other is a 4.6L V8 in the Porsche 918. According to ZERV, who the forum tends to trust, GM is making a 5.4L V8 and a 4.6L V8 for the C8, and one displacement is likely to have a naturally aspirated variant alongside its turbocharged setup. Unless GM plans on making an engine with the Bore:Stroke ratio of a Ducati Panigale, There’s no way that they’re making a 4.6L or 5.4L FPC V8.

You forgot the Ferrari 458 (4.5 Litres) and the Ferrari 430 (4.3 litres)

MitchAlsup 08-22-2018 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by VetterFlyer (Post 1597782855)

In my humble opinion a FPC is no advantage in toque or HP and may be a disadvantage in weight and balance.

FPCs weight considerably less than cross plane cranks and are stiffer at the same time; thus they can accelerate faster from lower rotational inertia.

Parcival 08-22-2018 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by MitchAlsup (Post 1597843536)
You forgot the Ferrari 458 (4.5 Litres) and the Ferrari 430 (4.3 litres)

he meant more than 4.5l :)

vdavenp802 08-22-2018 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by King Dranzer (Post 1597765093)
With the leaked audio clip C8.R sound in which the engine sounds smooth and deep. It can most-probably be result of Flat-Plane crank. First I thought it was due to implementation of Turbos, but turbos cannot make Corvette Cross-plane V8 sound like that nor can exhaust system. Yes I realize that it is not official but the audio clip of the C8.R sound make it sound more like European V8 and only deduction for it can be inclusion of flat-plane crank instead of cross-plane.

Audio Clip:
https://sportscar365.com/industry/au...-turbo-engine/

Finally Chevrolet decides to drop in Flat-plane V8 in Corvette. Never thought they will drop it in so soon.

Yes and Santa Claus will drop $1 million dollars in my bank account tonight......:toetap:

King Dranzer 08-23-2018 02:30 AM


Originally Posted by vdavenp802 (Post 1597843614)
Yes and Santa Claus will drop $1 million dollars in my bank account tonight......:toetap:

If you have a different explanation for the engine sounding like that. Please give us your input.

Shaka 08-23-2018 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by King Dranzer (Post 1597784029)
Turbos controlling the exhaust pulse is one thing I am not sure of. First of all I don't think it is possible. Even if it possible there is no practical reason for Chevrolet to implement it.

Hey moderator. The standard of the CF is the lowest in the industry because of posts like this.

EvanZR1 08-24-2018 07:03 PM

Doesn't have to be FPC to sound very different from traditional V8. As mentioned above, could be significantly different header/exhaust configuration, could also be DOHC. Personally, I can't wait to see another 7000+ RPM DOHC motor in a Vette. I still think the original LT5 in the C4 ZR-1 is one of the best sounding Vette motors ever, and I love the high rpm power without the huge low end torque.

One of the best C4 ZR-1 sound clips ever:

sunsalem 08-24-2018 07:20 PM

Very nice sound from the LT5. :thumbs:

autox40 08-24-2018 08:07 PM

Why does bhp/liter matter? Bhp/lb helps you go faster...

King Dranzer 08-24-2018 11:49 PM


Originally Posted by Evan70 (Post 1597858287)
Doesn't have to be FPC to sound very different from traditional V8. As mentioned above, could be significantly different header/exhaust configuration, could also be DOHC. Personally, I can't wait to see another 7000+ RPM DOHC motor in a Vette. I still think the original LT5 in the C4 ZR-1 is one of the best sounding Vette motors ever, and I love the high rpm power without the huge low end torque.

One of the best C4 ZR-1 sound clips ever:
C4 ZR-1 DOHC

If that sounded different from all the V8s then yes I would have agreed with you. But it sounds like European V8(which sounds smooth and deep thanks to fpc). No matter how much you change the Exhaust and have DOHC it will not sound like that. Mustang has DOHC for long time but none sound like that even with aftermarket exhaust.


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