Stock ZR1 vs Stock Z06
 

Fun starts at 7:00

lets try auto vs zr1 next time

That would be cool but its "run what you brung."

An auto will keep things closer from 0-60 but the ZR1 will still pull away.

dude in the Z06 cant shift for shit!!

An auto C7Z is actually slower.

In a roll race, a manual Z would be faster, depending on how far up in the MPH you're going to go.

But why is any of this a surprise? The C7 ZR1 is a monster. Makes a ton of power in the worst conditions so anything better than extreme conditions, it's actually a lot faster/more efficient. GM did not play any games with this car and learned all their mistakes from the z06. They weren't going to make the same mistake twice.

I am still waiting anxiously for the C8. If it's no bueno, i'm upgrading to a manual ZR1 ASAP!

you can't be serious dude. maybe a c6 zri but a 500 hp c6z06 walking a c7z06? why do you post such nonsense?

Please explain your logic behind this quote.

So who leaves the Z06 stock? The Z06 and 10k in mods and the race looks the same only the other way around! MEH! :rock:

Hurts your eyes how bad it is! Every shift is bad! Hangs till he shifts! Piss poor shifting from the Z06 driver!

Stock to stock your full of beans and I owned 2 C6 Z06's and put a lot more miles on than you! All those cars than you! Cannot help if your C7z06 is slow poke. C6Z06 bone stock is only 450 rwhp and not all that!

I ran a cam/exhaust C6Z vs my stock '16 M7Z06 and the race was a bit over 1 car length, but the C7Z came out on top. Uncertain on whether the car had heads.
60-145MPH

Vid is not a huge surprise.

All cam and exhaust setups are not made equal. Some guys go cheap on the parts, tuning or simply don't piece together the right package. There are cam and exhaust C6 Z06s that you will run with and there are some that will blow your doors off.

The c6z06 does have a pretty substantial weight advantage.
Perhaps there are gearing differences as well. This would need to be verified by people who know more.

Otherwise, i think it's incredibly situational when comparing the c6z and c7z.

Right, like why are we arguing which vette is faster just by going what one magazine said? And it's faster by what? half a second? And to throw a monkey wrench in that argument, C&D had a stage 3 aero Z, which we all know, hurts top end.

So what are we concluding here? That GM went backwards with the C7Z, from the C6Z? If that's not the intent for argument, why are we even mentioning any C6's in this thread? This is a C7 thread, with a z06 and a zr1 racing, a C6 has no place in this section of the forum at all, and definitely has no place in this discussion.

How many of us are out there looking for C6Z's to race to see if our better looking, more advanced Z is faster or not? There are lots of cars faster than our C7Z;s, that shouldn't be any reason to think down on what we own. Whatever it is that you own.

105hp 65tq more...and less drag... ZR1 wins every time drivers being equal.

plus that race was a complete waste of time. The stage III aero on a Z06 is way more restrictive than the ZTK ZR. Not to mention the M7 vs A8. And no... an M7 C7Z is not faster at any moment in time than an A8. That's a fact. The M7 is not geared anywhere near the A8. The gears are taller LONGER.


as for a C6z vs C7Z.. lol. The times posted were ONE TEST vs another. I've found C6Z over a second slower to 150 and C7z over a second quicker so post them and the C7z is 2 seconds quicker to 150? Come on.

not to mention if a race is start to finish the C7Z wins every time. No matter what. A C6Z could reach XXX mph "quicker" in a particular (ridiculous) circumstance, but the C7Z would cross the finish First.. make sense? The aero drag in the C7Z is substantial but the 0 to 130 is so much quicker than the C6Z it wouldn't catch it until well after XXXX feet. Look at the mile events for stock v stock. Way better indicator than the "magazines". And plenty of owners here have had and RUN both let them speak up (as they've done numerous times over the years) how the C7Z always ran faster and quicker..

so why bring it up all the time lol..

A McLaren 570s with less than 600 hp at the crank will outrun both of them from 100 mph - up & through 200 mph. You can see Mike run his 2019 ZR1 M7 against his 2017 McLaren 570s. He had posted this video months ago but you can see from the speedo how much quicker the McLaren pulls & it makes it to 200+ where as the ZR1 doesn't. Even the baby McLaren isn't a joke. Of course it's also a lot lighter than a ZR1 but it also has a lot less power.

Watch from 6:15 where he describes what he is about to do - 7:35 or so. The runs start at 6:48.

it is simple,100 hp more means faster car.

another simple truth,what is the weight difference between the 2 cars?i know the Zr1 is heavy. roll and drag racing comes down to weight to HP.vet weighs 500 lbs more.

An M7 is faster than an A8 as you climb deep into the MPH range.

Idk how people think it's not. You're taking 2 similar cars, an auto Z will make less power because more power loss through the drivetrain. Yes the A8's are faster in the 1/4 but we're talking about roll racing so there won't be a ton of ground lost that needs to be made up. The long gears in the M7 will have the advantage. I mean top of 3rd is 125? Top of 4th is 150? Meaning from a roll, the M7 driver will only need to shift twice. Maybe even once depending on what MPH you start the race.

A8's fall flat after 4th. Watch any video and you will see the A8 an absolute freight train until top of 4th, then the trans hits 5th and......................flat on it's face lol. no more acceleration.

:iagree: I think you can "what if" all you want, but at the end of the day, the ZR1 still has more horsepower.

Of course ZR1 is faster!! It should be!! But for much MUCH less than Zr1 upgrades, i got headers pulley meth tune and thermal upgrades. Makes ZR1 killer power!!

I always take these you tube videos with a grain of salt.
I enjoy them as entertainment but I dont use them as definitive evidence of anything.

The math says the ZR1 should be the faster car. Yes the mclaren is 400 pounds or so lighter but it gives up roughly 200 hp (193).
Yes the Mac MAY be quicker to 60, since its mid-engine and is lighter which puts the Chevy at a traction disadvantage from a standstill. And even this is debatable since both manufactures claim 0-60 times of 2.7 to 2.8 seconds.
From a standstill through the 1/4 mile is the only place the Mac is going to challenge a ZR1. The math and physics tell us this.

Here are the test sheets from Car and Driver.
As you can see C&D hasn't mastered launching the ZR1 just yet. It takes seat time to do so. (anyone recall the 1st Z06 0-60 times from the mags? compared to today?)
Regardless these test sheets show you a poor 0-60 time of 3.0 seconds for a A8 ZR1 yet it still traps at higher mph than the Mac at the end 1/4 and beats the Mac to both 150 and 170 mph.

What this tells us is just what the power to weight ratio and the physics already clued us in on and that is the ZR1 is a faster car in every aspect.

I know folks will justify and argue till the cows come home thats the nature of bench racing. But as far as we know nothing can defy the laws of physics not even a Mac.
The Chevy is simply a faster machine when driven correctly.

ESP when the ZR1 has 95 octane and the 570S had only 91 octane. the 570 is faster with that fact exposed. Flawed comparison!

Well, that's nice and all.

1. But what does your discussion of a ZR1 A8 have to do with Mikes ZR1 M7 in this video that starts its run at 100+ mph?
2. Mike's point in the video was to show that when starting at 100+ mph his 570s pulls harder & faster than his ZR1 as speeds increase. He owns both cars so he has nothing to gain by picking one over the other
3. I'm a big Vette fan & have been since I was 9 years old & my parent's friends took me for a ride in their '78 coupe. But I'm not some Vette fanboy who thinks that a mass produced Chevy is the be all/end all of cars. I have no problem admitting there are better faster cars out there & a Vette can have its ass handed to it at any time given the right conditions or situation.
4. McLarens are no joke. They're fast as hell bone stock & they smoke all kinds of fast cars at various price levels all the time. YT is full of videos that show that. Anyone who underestimates them will probably be in for a surprise. They are the best bang for the buck as far as exotics go & if I had the money I'd go buy one this afternoon.

Wow. I wasn't trying to start an argument.
All I was saying is that I dont take video comparisons as gospel, even when coming from someone who has both cars.

You started a discussion and I added my thoughts and some data to the discussion.
I thought the purpose of you posting what you posted was to facilitate a discussion and comparison of the 2 cars?
If you take into account all of the math the Mac isnt going to run with a car that has 200 more hp only 300 pounds more weight.

Now if it was a 720...according to what has been published so far the ZR1 would lose in every acceleration category by a bunch.

If I offended you or anyone else here I apologize.

95 octane in the ZR1 and only 91 in the 570 is very significant. Really making your test number between the two flawed for comparison !

It wasn't a comparison, it was a presentation of math with an emphasis on power to weight ratio being the point.
Just curious why do you believe a car with 200 additional Hp will get outperformed by one with 200 Hp less?
4 points of octane will make a difference but it wont make up for almost a full point in power to weight ratio. 5.6 vs 4.7.

Z06's have been out 3 years now. The track guys have been running them against the 570 Macs at the tracks and holding there own.
A ZR1 should fair better with no loss in power from heat soak and additional 105 hp.

If it was a 720 hp Mac 720 perhaps it would be a better comparison and much more in the Mac's favor.

Again I apologize if I offended anyone here by bringing my opinion and some facts to the discussion.

The test wasn't the point my friend. That was just data for the discussion.
The point was 200 hp and 300 pounds of weight still puts the ZR1 at a mathematical advantage.

The Zr1 was full power where the 570 with only 91 I doubt it and it is more than 200hp and 300 pounds the ZR1 has much bigger profile more wind drag and a bigger mass to push thus the poor 60ft
If the tables were turned the 570s would have been gone! Just discussion my friend!

I seriously doubt a stock C6 Z is quicker than a C7Z. I owned a new 07 C6Z for 7 years and went to a Challenger Hellcat. I know the Hellcat is the faster car but in 3-4 weeks we will know the truth of the C7 Z. I can't wait.

Now we are having a discussion. Which is why I come here.

I understand your claim that the 91 octane hampered the 570.
I have no hate for the 570 and thus I used an example for the 570's performance that are some of the quickest published for the 570.
Most of the other test have the 570 in the 2.8-2.9 second 0-60 mph range at 132 mph in the 1/4. Similar but inferior 1/4 mile speeds to most ZR1's tested to date.

The poor 60 ft time for the ZR1 has nothing to do with drag.
1. The difference is weight transfer of the rear mid engine vs the front mid engine,
2. 705 ft lbs of torque making the ZR traction limited as opposed to engine weight sitting over the rear tires and merely 440 ft lbs of tq like the 570.
3. And most importantly a lack of driver experience (seat time) launching the new ZR1.

You say "it is more than 200hp and 300 pounds the ZR1 has much bigger profile more wind drag and a bigger mass" I guess making the point that the ZR1 is harder to push than the Mac.
I agree, you are right about this, but then there is the 8 mph top speed advantage for the ZR1 that discounts your inference that drag completely negates the ZR1's 200 hp advantage.
Keep in mind all of the ZR1 acceleration test to date have been the highest drag (most down force) versions with the biggest rear wing and front canards.
The faster ZR1's will be the lower drag versions with the smaller rear spoiler.

My point with all of this is to say the ZR1 numbers will likely get better as the learning curve for the new car peaks out.
The current 570 numbers are about the best we can expect as its been out for 3 years or so already.


How about this. Lets shelf this debate for a while and wait and see.
There will be tons of test on the ZR1 in the coming months or years.
There have been several test of the 570 Mac and will certainly be more.

Mac's are great cars but it is going to take a 650 or 720 Mac and a curvless road to best a ZR1. JMHO.

I had several run ins with both in my C7 Z06 M7 when it was stock, neither was a problem.

You didn't start an argument & no offense taken. There are those on this site who are Vette fanboys & they get all twisted up a like a pretzel if you say anything negative about their precious Vette. Sometimes it's difficult to tell from a post who is & who isn't. Your reply to me struck me a bit as a fanboy post. But I realize now that I was mistaken. :cheers:

If you take a stock C6Z (why are we still talking about C6's?) and a stock stage 1 aero MANUAL C7Z, both with similar driving skills, the C7Z will win every time. Well i guess until the C7Z heatsoaks then maybe he will lose eventually.

I have beaten a ton of hellcats in my C7Z. Ok not a ton but i have NOT lost against one yet. And i've raced quite a few. Hellcats are fast, if you're going to run from a dig. It'll be hard to beat an auto. Especially an auto as stout as that ZF trans i keep telling everyone about. It's A LOT better than the GM 8 speed.

You'll be happy in your C7Z, if you got the manual.

Looks better, more fun, more reliable, than the hellcat or the C6Z. The C6Z looks outdated already, it doesn't even matter if it could beat a C7Z in a race. No way you can go back, once you jumped into the C7.

I figured as much. Power to weight ratio and big rubber I'm sure will make a slight difference between the two.

I don't know, I think the C6Z06 still looks badass. C6 Z and C7 Z are some of the best looking vettes in long while.

I've had countless people tell me they prefer the looks C6 Z over the C7 Z.

Weird

Looks better, is subjective of course. Have received countless compliments on looks alone with this car.I would love to be able to have both. The Hellcat stock is very traction limited even with 305's. The power to weight ratio and more rubber with the Z should have an advantage. And yes , the Z is a Manual as I know the ZA8 is a slow shifter even with the paddles compared to the ZF auto which mine Hellcat is.

whoever said a c6 z06 is faster than a c7 z should drive off a cliff, in your c6, of course.

You are 100% correct. A stage 1 aero compared to a stage 3 aero at higher speeds are 2 totally different cars. In a mile race the stage 1 would put bus lengths on the stage 3 with all else being equal. It makes that much of a difference. For some reason every magazine always wants to test a stage 3 Z07 optioned car.

Stage 3 A8 0-180 36 seconds

Stage 1 A8 0-180 24 seconds

The difference would probably be a football length by 180. The stage 1 is much closer to a C6 ZR1.

I can't help but laugh at :15 of the first video.

Why does the trans shift like that?? Quick 1-4, but then the 5th damn gear, it just hits a brick wall. Amazing engine sound but the acceleration stops lol.

And yes i don't know why magazines wanna test the stage 3 cars, and auto too. Which would probably be the slowest z06 of any combination for the z06 trim.

I guess because the stage 3 does look badass and most test drivers for magazines can't drive a manual well. So auto it is. Put it in D and hit the right pedal lol. Can't get much easier than that :D

I agree. C6Z will not look better 10 15 or 50 years from now vs a C7.. it looks outdated. It looked outdated 5 years ago.

I had one. I loved it. But I knew it was OLD. and very bland...boring. compared to the radical C7. No contest

like saying the C4 and c5 have aged better than a C6 lol. Come on man.

and anyone who had driven their Z06 in stage I vs Stage II or III configuration knows why there are all these "hits a brick wall" comments.

Stage I is equivalent to having the LT5 power vs LT4. It feels that much quicker up top.

while one would assume the c7z06 is faster at high speeds, keep in mind, the stock c6z has a higher top speed. Thus, it does pull harder from 160 UP... which surprised even me. Someone on the forum was posting some comparative videos a while back. As far as useful power goes, the c7z wins hands down. Its no contest.

But be careful before you put money against a c6z in a top speed race... let alone a race that starts at 100mph and lasts for more than 8 seconds ;)

The c5 and c6 have a lower roof line compared to the c7, and in top speed, vehicle height, is a huge drag.

Mr. Gizmo,please. I bought a C6 Z new in 2007. The car looks outdated with it's 80's style rounded headlamps and Camaro style wrap around rear glass. It takes a terrible side shoot in a photo shoot imho.

100% agree. I had a c6 but in 5 years it will look as dated as the c5 does now. It looks dated now. the C7 was a huge upgrade and if one doesn't see that you're either blind or lying

Looks are subjective, and as impossible as it sounds, there are many who prefer the looks of the widebody C6 over the widebody C7. I'm not making this up, I promise you lol

usually it's the people who are attached to their current model that dont wanna upgrade.

the others are the ones who cant afford it lol. So they'll come up with excuses on why they didnt upgrade yet lol

:rofl: Your post are funny and full of crap. Keep reading car and driver great source for your funny post.

I never respond to threads like this, but I'm responding, probably against my better judgment.

a c7z stage 1 manual is faster than c6z in a roll race to 150 and beyond.......I have video showing the results. My brother has a 2013 60th anniversary c6z, all stock. We raced twice, me clearly winning both and pulling away. I can post the video of the closer race. One race he messed up the 2-3 shift and it got bad fast.

I don't think Mr.Gizmo will ever quite come to terms with the Z06 being his wife's car, rather than his. ;)

C7z vs c6z video
 

View from c6z

View from the c6z

View from c7z

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Psa...w?usp=drivesdk


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Is your Z stock?

I love the long ass gears the manuals get in our cars. 2nd gear to 90 lol. Damn.

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Both cars are all stock

Damn first video way better!!!!!

Because you can actually see the beauty of the C7Z start walking that old C6 lol.

Damn our cars sure are sexy lol. Nice race. And the C6Z driver did well with shifting before anyone says oh the driver of the C6 is shitty so that's why he lost.

Both drivers shifted well, the C7Z is clearly faster. And if the video was longer, we all would see the C7Z eventually put bus lengths on the old car.

yea, the first video is better bc you can see both cars whereas the c7z video you don't see anyone for a reason.😁......long story short c7z stage 1 is faster than the c6z😎

The second race was worse and went longer showing bus lengths, but the c6z driver did mess up the 2-3 shift. Because of this I didn't post the video as the focus would be on the bad gear change for the one gear.

I liked both of your videos. Your car made quick work of your brother's C6Z. I also enjoyed seeing the PDR view of the shifts in the 2nd one. Now I have a better idea about the speeds at which an M7 tops out at in the lower gears at least. I just got my WGG 2018, 2LZ, M7, Z07, w/PDR, a couple of weeks ago so I haven't had a chance to take it out for any fun runs yet.

BTW, is your car gray or black? I couldn't quite tell from the video since it was getting dark outside. :cheers:

zr1>z06 .....a z06 will never be a zr1 regardless of transmission choices, modifications, or street races.

What's wrong with a leisure suit? Doesn't that go well with the stereotype of a Vette owner? You know, a disco Danny reject from the '70s in a bad leisure suit with his shirt half unbuttoned while wearing a gold chain. :thumbs:

Thanks.....congrats on the Corvette, you will love it.

my car is black
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Exactly.......Stage 1 cars rule. A full stage 3 Z07 with the full center wicker in place would have had different results.

I had a H/C C6 Z06 for 8 years before getting the C7Z. Both are beautiful cars. Very nice pic you posted.

Funny thread is funny.

Thanks. I'm looking forward to having some time to put the car through its paces. Though I have to remember to keep the stage 3 aero off of it for the best results on the street.

Everyone knows black is the fastest color. My current/last 7 cars are/were black (including 2 prior vettes) so I wanted a different color this time.

WHO cares! OOH a ZR1! I will have the extra 50k-60k from a new Z06 1lz at discount for 70k and with 12k you have a faster track or strip machine. ZR1? OR a Z06 with great aftermarket parts that you can add your self for a lot less and get a faster car! The ZR1 cannot be tuned!


I have less than 10k in mine looking fro a ZR1 to play with!

I've had this video for quite some time now and thought about posting in another thread or on YouTube, but never did.

the c7z is faster beyond 140 as well. I will say it does appear around 150ish, when the c7z shifts into 5th gear, the c6z is able to stop the pull momentarily as the c6z is still in 4th gear, its sweet spot. However once the c6z has to shift into 5th gear, in the high 150s, the c7z begins pulling away again.....This is what happened in our second race, but as I mentioned before he did mess up his 2nd to 3rd shift in this race.

:rofl:

Yes, i no lift shift from 2nd to 3rd and from 3rd to 4th. You will notice in the PDR video the accelerator stays green. 😉.....I dont no lift shift from 4th to 5th, I lift slightly.

my brothers car is over 200lbs lighter than my 1lz....he has the 3zr in the 60th anniversary edition. His car is lighter than mine with him in it and at least a half tank of gas.

Faster on a roadracing track, particularly with all the cooling improvements on the ZR1? Please forgive me for being somewhat skeptical.
The ZR1 also carries a factory warranty, which your modded cars no longer have. People will place varying amounts of value on things like that.

If I were using my car even semi-regularly in an extreme-stress situation like a roadracing track, I would very much want to keep the warranty. Evidently, frequent road track participants like Bill Dearborn, and Porsche, feel the same way.

are these cars both stock?

I have seen a video posted before where the opposite happens up top.

Think about it, if one car is so much sleeker through the wind that it can get to 198 (c6) while the other stops at 190 or in the 180's due to aero limitations of stage 2 or 3 (c7)... then even at 160mph, the c6 will be accelerating faster.

Both cars are stock.....I have stage 1. My car accelerates faster past 160 as the c6z shifts into 5th gear.

I believe the comparison was between a manual stage 1 c7z and a c6z, which is why I posted the video......now, I do think a c6z will come back around a stage 3 c7z. Just my thoughts and I have no video proof. 😁

To each his own! You can add the LG cooling kit and 2300 with headers and tune. Be faster in a lighter weight car with more HP for much less money. The ZR1 is not tuneable!
Warranty? The bumper to bumper is not affected. Then again the last time I used my drivetrain warranty was 1993 15 cars ago!
I take the Z06 with 12k in mods and another 40k in my pocket all day any day!

I just checked my undies, and didn't find any distribution issues. ;) :cheers:

i think callaway carries the warranty instead of GM on the engine and trans, if I am not mistaken. Does callaway cooperate and honor the LG cooling kit as an allowable upgrade? Does callaway honor an engine that is worn out at the road course track like GM does? I don't know the answers to these questions, so I'm genuinely asking.

So glad you posted that video.

That should erase many doubts about where the C7Z falls in terms of being stage 1 and MANual :D

:wtf:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...3bbeb54cc6.gifOne time Gizzy is right!

Lol. Yeah, I agree. A ZR1 is cool but IMO it's not double the price of a Z06 cool. Perhaps if you're a hardcore road track person & want the highest OEM power/under warranty/best handling Vette possible then it would be a consideration. Otherwise, if you're like most & rarely go to the track, if at all, then I think it's a waste of money. Of course there are those who have so much $$$ that $120K - $140k+ is the pocket change they carry when they run down to their local corner store & they wouldn't even notice if they misplaced it. Then again I don't think those types are usually buying Vettes.

The same case could be made for guys who buy stingrays and say it's not worth the extra 20-25 grand or so to get a Z.

For a street/track car, the ZR1 reigns supreme. Whereas with the z06, it'll be a perfect street car ONLY. With defects and limitations unless modified to make it both a track/street car.

I don't think the ZR1 is worth 140, i think that's tipping into porsche territory and i'll probably buy a porsche instead.

But for an actual corvette enthusiast, the 140k is well worth it. Because think about it. You're buying the TOP OF THE LINE corvette right now. With pretty much no downfalls.

It makes the most power, it's efficient at making the power meaning it makes it's 755hp @ 100 degrees ambient. So on cooler days it's making even more power. A TRUE track ready beast. Which will tear up the streets as well.

Oh and it has a warranty.

That in itself is enough to persuade corvette fans and potential buyers this IS the corvette to own right now.

And like i said in many other threads, i'm waiting to see what the C8 is like. Because that will determine whether i upgrade to that, or just upgrading to a manual ZR1.

A modded ZO6 will still never be a ZR1 especially at resale. Mods = Zip $. Oh and did we mention no warranty.

This is exactly what they said about the C4 ZR1

You be surprised. Jay Leno Joey Kramer for instance.