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arizonaZ0612 09-04-2018 07:20 AM

C7 Nurburgring times, they're all here!
 
Last weekend, the same friend who sent me Jim Mero's retirement announcement sent me a Facebook post from Jim's wife, Terri. The post was photos of the gifts Jim received for his retirement. One of the gifts was a large photograph composed of a lot of smaller photos. At the bottom of the large photo was 7 smaller photos of what seems to be all of Jim's Nurburgring times. I believe this because included in the photos and times were his 3 C6 times that we all know about:
  1. 2009 ZR1 7:26
  2. 2012 Z06/Z07 7:22
  3. 2012 ZR1 7:19
I have no idea what (S) means, but these are the times associated with the C7 photos:
  1. C7 Z51 7:33 (S)
  2. C7 Grand Sport 7:27
  3. C7 Z06/Z07 7:10
  4. C7 ZR1 6:57 (S)
The C7 times are very impressive, but, for the life of me, I can't understand why they were never made public.

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AORoads 09-04-2018 07:30 AM

Nice job! Thanks for posting.:cheers:

Torch Red Z06 09-04-2018 07:42 AM

Maybe this will put an end to all the speculation. Thanks for the info and a happy retirement to Jim.

Checkmate1 09-04-2018 07:42 AM

What?!

It's crazy that these times were not posted by GM. I would really like to know the reason.

Maxpowers 09-04-2018 08:00 AM

Thanks for sharing. This puts the ZR1 in the top 5-10 depending on the list. Hard to believe these times are just coming out now.

Torch Red Z06 09-04-2018 08:05 AM

For some reason it was not recorded as an official time. It would nice if GM explained why it wasn’t.

Poor-sha 09-04-2018 08:24 AM

(S) could mean it was calculated using segment times and not a single complete lap?

Checkmate1 09-04-2018 08:45 AM

Speaking of the Z06, that 7:10 time was done in 2015 before the secondary radiators and MRC upgrade. Imagine, a second go at it now..........

C5Driver 09-04-2018 09:16 AM

The 09 ZR1 and C7 G/S are only a second apart Sheesh imagine that!

Zjoe6 09-04-2018 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by C5Driver (Post 1597919431)
The 09 ZR1 and C7 G/S are only a second apart Sheesh imagine that!

I noticed that too. Wonder what they did to the 2012 ZR1 to make it so much faster.

Torch Red Z06 09-04-2018 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by Zjoe6 (Post 1597919469)
I noticed that too. Wonder what they did to the 2012 ZR1 to make it so much faster.

Magnetic Ride

Telepierre 09-04-2018 09:39 AM

Boy! Some pictures show Jim had his fair share of "close/still alive" moments...

RESPECT!

Foosh 09-04-2018 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by Checkmate1 (Post 1597919296)
Speaking of the Z06, that 7:10 time was done in 2015 before the secondary radiators and MRC upgrade. Imagine, a second go at it now..........

Maybe that's why they're posted as segment times added together, as opposed to one single completed lap. I don't think those are recognized as "official" lap times.

heavychevy 09-04-2018 09:44 AM

GM must be at a crossover point where they need to find a new ring driver. If they are serious about being competitive there they will NEED to send in the big guns (I. E. factory racers)....... and some CUP R's.

GM is not going to release a segmented lap as an official time. Not even Porsche is doing that any more and they seem to be the ones who started it.

racerns 09-04-2018 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by C5Driver (Post 1597919431)
The 09 ZR1 and C7 G/S are only a second apart Sheesh imagine that!

The original ZR1 was run on the old PS2 tires, which are about 3 levels in grip below the current Cup 2 tires. Put them on the same tire and it isn't even close.


Originally Posted by Zjoe6
I noticed that too. Wonder what they did to the 2012 to make it so much faster.

No it wasn't magnetic ride, the 2009 had that. The main difference was the Cup 1 tires, with the smaller differences being the PTM and the wider rear spoiler. Remember the Cup 1 tires don't have the grip of the Cup 2 tires used on the C7.

Pretty sure that the (S) means sector times. In that it is a calculated best time using his best sector times (doing the math). When they ran the '12 ZR1 the sector times said that he could have run a few seconds fast but they decided to run the C6 Z06/Z07 instead.

punky 09-04-2018 11:11 AM

I'm sure there are some hard core, talented, amateur road race guys on board here that have great interest in these metrics. The overwhelming majority of the car enthusiasts of the world have little to no need for these times. Honestly, who really cares about a couple seconds give or take in a seven minute event. Anyone with a double digit IQ knows that there are scores of other factors at work here such as atmospheric conditions, driver skill, human error, and the list goes on. Is anyone seriously considering a ZR1 purchase going to change their mind because of what may be perceived as a poor "Ring Time"? This is a joke as 99.9% of us here could not post a time ourselves within 20 seconds of what the pros do so who cares.

keagan 09-04-2018 11:27 AM

Am I the only one here who didn’t know Jim retired? Dang! Seeing that he is retired, I wonder if he would comment on the C7 times?

Ted P 09-04-2018 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by punky (Post 1597920199)
I'm sure there are some hard core, talented, amateur road race guys on board here that have great interest in these metrics. The overwhelming majority of the car enthusiasts of the world have little to no need for these times. Honestly, who really cares about a couple seconds give or take in a seven minute event. Anyone with a double digit IQ knows that there are scores of other factors at work here such as atmospheric conditions, driver skill, human error, and the list goes on. Is anyone seriously considering a ZR1 purchase going to change their mind because of what may be perceived as a poor "Ring Time"? This is a joke as 99.9% of us here could not post a time ourselves within 20 seconds of what the pros do so who cares.


I would disagree that the majority of owners have no interest in the ring times. I would say the opposite. It may have little bearing on the purchase but I for one am very interested in how the vette compares to other cars on the established measuring track

william wyatt 09-04-2018 11:28 AM

It would take 5 minutes for them to have hired a pro driver to set a time.They know this car is not capable of a 6:57 time or less.

keagan 09-04-2018 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by xlr8ion (Post 1597920316)
It would take 5 minutes for them to have hired a pro driver to set a time.They know this car is not capable of a 6:57 time or less.

lol


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