Transmission thoughts....
With 23% of Corvettes being manual transmissions I can only think the lack of info on a manual option is just them being coy. Even if at launch it’s not available, I suspect there will be one. I know a dct suits a mid engine but there have been tons of mid engines with manuals. Anyways, I’m excited about this car either way but I don’t think we should worry. Cheers :D |
The problem with the true rear engine w/ a manual is that it has to be cable driven; people will inevitably complain about the lack of feel in the shifter. So while it would be a nice option to have, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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I’m trying to live by Alfred e Newman’s moto, lol I’ve damn near forgotten about mad magazine. But 23% is like 30k cars over a generation. I’m not gonna worry. :D |
I wonder what percentage of that 23% wanted a C7 with an auto but selected a manual transmission because they didn't want to end up with a troublesome A8 on a car they planned to keep after the warranty expired. They just selected the lessor of the two evils.
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Originally Posted by RandomTask
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The problem with the true rear engine w/ a manual is that it has to be cable driven; people will inevitably complain about the lack of feel in the shifter. So while it would be a nice option to have, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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That’s a really good point, had the A8 been solid I’m sure it’d taken more sales away from the M7. Turned into the safe choice for track driving. Even with that I still think there’s room for a manual. As long as it makes business sense it’ll happen. |
Stupid question: The transmission for the C7 is already in the rear - so isn't it already connected to the shifter via a cable or long linkage?
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Originally Posted by AT T 2D
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Stupid question: The transmission for the C7 is already in the rear - so isn't it already connected to the shifter via a cable or long linkage?
Right now, the linkage runs fright into the trans; can't do that with an engine in the way. |
Originally Posted by Ryan R
(Post 1597998230)
With 23% of Corvettes being manual transmissions I can only think the lack of info on a manual option is just them being coy. Even if at launch it’s not available, I suspect there will be one. I know a dct suits a mid engine but there have been tons of mid engines with manuals. Anyways, I’m excited about this car either way but I don’t think we should worry. Cheers :D (1) Those current C7 buyers who like manuals, hate slushboxes, but would have opted for a DCT if it were available (and thus would not be "lost" customers in a "no-manual-Vette world.") (2) Those who like DCTs but not slushboxes, who might have been poached away from DCT-equipped competitors such as Cayman/Boxster and lower-end 911 variants. My bet is the real number of lost "die-hard" manual customers would be in the 10% range, and that, in addition, some competitive sports/sporty car buyers would be poached from DCT-offering competitors. But, that is just my guess at an over/under if forced to set such odds. You have to believe GM knows way more about these numbers than we do. That is not to say their analysis of the data will be correct or foolproof. |
Good call Fred, I totally agree that a good dct will swing that number even lower. GM will make the call if it makes sense. If the true number is that low it may be gone. This really is exciting, going to be an interesting few months! Cheers |
Owned many DCT and manual cars. If it’s calibrated with the engine correctly, DCT is hard to beat. |
Yeah for sure GM will do the market research to try to determine what fraction of the 23% they will lose if they don't offer a manual. They won't lose all of these 23% for the reasons Atomic Fred listed above. On the other hand, they may lose a few people who are scared of GM building a car with a DCT. Yes, a 3rd party is building it (Tremic) but GM has to get the calibration right. It's not unreasonable to be wary of them doing this right the first time and going with a manual for safety.
If you are in the "I still want a manual" camp our best hope lies in the the fact that Porsche is offering a manual on the next gen 911 and their NA lead called the manual demand in the U.S. "significant". I don't know what that means in terms of numbers but it was high enough that Porsche is sticking with a manual option in the 911. If that is what Porsche's market research showed then GM would have found the same thing. I would think Porsche would drop the manual before GM but I have zero inside knowledge. |
Originally Posted by RandomTask
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The problem with the true rear engine w/ a manual is that it has to be cable driven; people will inevitably complain about the lack of feel in the shifter. So while it would be a nice option to have, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Fiat x1/8, Lotus Europa, and Ferrari 308, 328, 355 (but not 348) use a rod that goes back and forth and rotates side to side to effect gear changes. I am sure others do, too. |
So what are the 3 pedal; guys going to buy if all new Corvettes are DCT's???? Besides the advanced technology and performance of the DCT's, I'm pretty sure that the manuals disappeared because lack of interest.... ie: more specifically, lack of orders.
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Porsche offers a manual transmission standard on its sports cars and then offers a dct as an option at extra cost. gm will do the same with the upcoming C8 for the exact same reason. |
Originally Posted by JerriVette
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Porsche offers a manual transmission standard on its sports cars and then offers a dct as an option at extra cost. gm will do the same with the upcoming xor the exact same reason. |
Originally Posted by Ryan R
(Post 1598000642)
Good call Fred, I totally agree that a good dct will swing that number even lower. GM will make the call if it makes sense. If the true number is that low it may be gone. This really is exciting, going to be an interesting few months! Cheers |
Originally Posted by JerriVette
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Porsche offers a manual transmission standard on its sports cars and then offers a dct as an option at extra cost. gm will do the same with the upcoming C8 for the exact same reason. GM will be making a big mistake if they think every buyer is a track rat who is trying shave tenths of second off his/her "non-timed" HPDE laps with faster shifts. Corvette buyers are not just enthusiasts of the car, but they are enthusiasts of driving. A manual transmission is a key component of that experience for many people. Porsche may see their sales go up if the C8 doesn't offer a manual. |
Originally Posted by flyforfun
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Any monkey can push a gas pedal.
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