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Ryan R 09-17-2018 11:24 AM

Transmission thoughts....
 
With 23% of Corvettes being manual transmissions I can only think the lack of info on a manual option is just them being coy. Even if at launch it’s not available, I suspect there will be one. I know a dct suits a mid engine but there have been tons of mid engines with manuals. Anyways, I’m excited about this car either way but I don’t think we should worry.

Cheers :D

RandomTask 09-17-2018 12:23 PM

The problem with the true rear engine w/ a manual is that it has to be cable driven; people will inevitably complain about the lack of feel in the shifter. So while it would be a nice option to have, I wouldn't hold my breath.

JoesC5 09-17-2018 12:25 PM

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Ryan R 09-17-2018 12:57 PM

I’m trying to live by Alfred e Newman’s moto, lol I’ve damn near forgotten about mad magazine. But 23% is like 30k cars over a generation. I’m not gonna worry. :D

JoesC5 09-17-2018 01:12 PM

I wonder what percentage of that 23% wanted a C7 with an auto but selected a manual transmission because they didn't want to end up with a troublesome A8 on a car they planned to keep after the warranty expired. They just selected the lessor of the two evils.

ByRiver 09-17-2018 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by RandomTask (Post 1597998613)
The problem with the true rear engine w/ a manual is that it has to be cable driven; people will inevitably complain about the lack of feel in the shifter. So while it would be a nice option to have, I wouldn't hold my breath.

My mid engine Toyota MR2 Spyder's stick shift felt fine even though it was through a cable. It was perfect after I installed a short shifter kit.

Ryan R 09-17-2018 01:30 PM

That’s a really good point, had the A8 been solid I’m sure it’d taken more sales away from the M7. Turned into the safe choice for track driving. Even with that I still think there’s room for a manual. As long as it makes business sense it’ll happen.

AT T 2D 09-17-2018 01:57 PM

Stupid question: The transmission for the C7 is already in the rear - so isn't it already connected to the shifter via a cable or long linkage?

RandomTask 09-17-2018 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by AT T 2D (Post 1597999219)
Stupid question: The transmission for the C7 is already in the rear - so isn't it already connected to the shifter via a cable or long linkage?

Linkage.

Right now, the linkage runs fright into the trans; can't do that with an engine in the way.

Rapid Fred 09-17-2018 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Ryan R (Post 1597998230)
With 23% of Corvettes being manual transmissions I can only think the lack of info on a manual option is just them being coy. Even if at launch it’s not available, I suspect there will be one. I know a dct suits a mid engine but there have been tons of mid engines with manuals. Anyways, I’m excited about this car either way but I don’t think we should worry.

Cheers :D

There may or may not be a manual (eventually) but please remember the 23% figure occurs without a DCT option available. That means the statistic does not account for two classes of customers:
(1) Those current C7 buyers who like manuals, hate slushboxes, but would have opted for a DCT if it were available (and thus would not be "lost" customers in a "no-manual-Vette world.")
(2) Those who like DCTs but not slushboxes, who might have been poached away from DCT-equipped competitors such as Cayman/Boxster and lower-end 911 variants.

My bet is the real number of lost "die-hard" manual customers would be in the 10% range, and that, in addition, some competitive sports/sporty car buyers would be poached from DCT-offering competitors. But, that is just my guess at an over/under if forced to set such odds. You have to believe GM knows way more about these numbers than we do. That is not to say their analysis of the data will be correct or foolproof.

Ryan R 09-17-2018 05:24 PM

Good call Fred, I totally agree that a good dct will swing that number even lower. GM will make the call if it makes sense. If the true number is that low it may be gone. This really is exciting, going to be an interesting few months!

Cheers

fasttoys 09-17-2018 05:56 PM

Owned many DCT and manual cars. If it’s calibrated with the engine correctly, DCT is hard to beat.

ColoradoGS 09-17-2018 06:17 PM

Yeah for sure GM will do the market research to try to determine what fraction of the 23% they will lose if they don't offer a manual. They won't lose all of these 23% for the reasons Atomic Fred listed above. On the other hand, they may lose a few people who are scared of GM building a car with a DCT. Yes, a 3rd party is building it (Tremic) but GM has to get the calibration right. It's not unreasonable to be wary of them doing this right the first time and going with a manual for safety.

If you are in the "I still want a manual" camp our best hope lies in the the fact that Porsche is offering a manual on the next gen 911 and their NA lead called the manual demand in the U.S. "significant". I don't know what that means in terms of numbers but it was high enough that Porsche is sticking with a manual option in the 911. If that is what Porsche's market research showed then GM would have found the same thing. I would think Porsche would drop the manual before GM but I have zero inside knowledge.

MitchAlsup 09-17-2018 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by RandomTask (Post 1597998613)
The problem with the true rear engine w/ a manual is that it has to be cable driven; people will inevitably complain about the lack of feel in the shifter. So while it would be a nice option to have, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Err, no.
Fiat x1/8, Lotus Europa, and Ferrari 308, 328, 355 (but not 348) use a rod that goes back and forth and rotates side to side to effect gear changes.
I am sure others do, too.

tooold2race 09-17-2018 08:18 PM

So what are the 3 pedal; guys going to buy if all new Corvettes are DCT's???? Besides the advanced technology and performance of the DCT's, I'm pretty sure that the manuals disappeared because lack of interest.... ie: more specifically, lack of orders.

JerriVette 09-17-2018 08:37 PM

Porsche offers a manual transmission standard on its sports cars and then offers a dct as an option at extra cost.

gm will do the same with the upcoming C8 for the exact same reason.




filo686 09-17-2018 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by JerriVette (Post 1598001842)
Porsche offers a manual transmission standard on its sports cars and then offers a dct as an option at extra cost.

gm will do the same with the upcoming xor the exact same reason.


You hit the nail on the head.

flyforfun 09-18-2018 01:11 AM


Originally Posted by Ryan R (Post 1598000642)
Good call Fred, I totally agree that a good dct will swing that number even lower. GM will make the call if it makes sense. If the true number is that low it may be gone. This really is exciting, going to be an interesting few months!

Cheers

No Manual, not worth buying a C8. I would move to the Porsche. What you guys fail to understand is that the Manual is for the feel of driving the car. Any monkey can push a gas pedal. Might as well buy an electric Corvette then.

Michael A 09-18-2018 01:24 AM


Originally Posted by JerriVette (Post 1598001842)
Porsche offers a manual transmission standard on its sports cars and then offers a dct as an option at extra cost.

gm will do the same with the upcoming C8 for the exact same reason.





None of the videos showing test cars on the track or the road have had manuals to my ears.

GM will be making a big mistake if they think every buyer is a track rat who is trying shave tenths of second off his/her "non-timed" HPDE laps with faster shifts. Corvette buyers are not just enthusiasts of the car, but they are enthusiasts of driving. A manual transmission is a key component of that experience for many people.

Porsche may see their sales go up if the C8 doesn't offer a manual.

PurpleLion 09-18-2018 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by flyforfun (Post 1598003044)
Any monkey can push a gas pedal.

Yes, and any monkey can push a clutch pedal. Anyone who has driven a manual for a length of time shifts by reflex. The thinking involved in shifting is knowing when to downshift (up shift) and what gear to shift to. This is still necessary with a DCT in manual mode.


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