chazcron's 3D model work in progress
 

I bit the bullet and subscribed to my old Animation:Master 3D modeling program. I've started the arduous task of rotoscoping my splines over the spy shots. I'm going with my gut on the scoop shape. It may be way off, but I like it. Be prepared, when I render with my own modeled wheels, I'll be using the ones I made for the '15 Mustang for now.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...a1dd07a3aa.gif
Here is overlaid with an image, first with the wireframe, then without.

How come your scoop don't match the camo scoop? It's way off from the camo, to your version.

Awesome! I look forward to watching your progress, chazcron.

Because the camo scoop is just that -- camo. It's hiding the real shape.

Notice how the camo appears to be tacked-on? Do you see the underlying shape it's hiding?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...20b26e8803.png

Here's an early photo of the one of the mules that was published in May, 2018. I noticed the shape of the scoop under the fabric camo, so I adjusted the brightness and contrast to highlight the details.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...a2f4ab777c.png

Here's the same photo with an outline added to highlight the lines.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...b1cca52a69.png

Oh dang....true dat ^

Really interested in what Gm is about to be dishin right here. 2019 is my buy year FO SHO....gimme something good.

That cammo scoop shape is 100% fake. I even think that ridge at the bottom of the door is fake. This is a mass produced car the scoop and the doors will reflect that in the final version. It will be a much more simple assembly line friendly design. Don't expect it to have many exotic car styling features this is GM after all.

Yeah, as I am finessing the door scoop area, I know that what I have done so far is off. Can someone post that shot of the door ajar, showing the shape of the "arrow" bump? I am vacilllating between getting more accurate on that part of the model and continuing on with the rest of the model. The front and rear clips are going to give me fits. I usually work from the front clip to the side to the back, but not this time.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...e25ecd9f3.jpeg
I am so clueless- I now see where this detail originated from and it is actually on a prototype vehicle. Anything is possible but I don’t believe GM will go now this design path- just too radical.

That's the one.

Try this....:cheers:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...0ebc243121.png

I am going to rework the scoop and likely this is the direction I'll be going. I am coming to the realization that my fanciful scoop (as much as I like it) is too speculative and this C8.R is probably closer to the truth. This is where I started out to begin with.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...7a2498e303.jpg

Various ways to skin this cat. Unskin this cat??
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...6f7ea0a7dc.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...34c66bfc99.png
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...f4381e3774.jpg

This is proper Corvette standard and what I was expecting. This works also. I'm very frightened. :nono:

I thought all my '05 Mustang renders were all lost. I found this post in my '15 Mustang thread where I detailed the original renders/spoilers I did for the '05 mustang.


https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/thr...ps.7417/page-2

Scroll down to:

How I revealed the 2005 Mustang in 2003.

Then go back to first page to see the progress over the 74 page thread.

This forum is very lucky to have some serious talent that truly entertain us- Firstvettesoon, Shaka, Chazcron, and many more. The next few months are going to be a lot of fun.

[QUOTE=tomlink;1598214905]Try this....:cheers:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...0ebc243121.png[/QUOTE
I don't see the top of the fender body line lining up with top of the scoop. Something is just not quite right- it begins an upward curve as it transitions onto the door.]

even on the c8r it looks tacked on and not natural and sexy. I dont think its accurate.

You can clearly see the outline of the real scoop in the top photo its much more rearward of the fake add on pieces. Follow the red line on the bottom photo also this is the real shape of the door and scoop much more subtle than the fake cammo pieces.

I hope the cove is more curved vs. "pacman" jaws angular. However, if you remove the part people think is tacked on, it would greatly reduce the scoops ability to ingest air. I believe the outline will be curved and body color and the "tacked on" part that creates the pacman lower jaw will be black or carbon fiber and an insert. so you visually get the rounded cove, but get the air ingestion ability of the pacman jaw.

:iagree:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...709c7a62dc.png

I still think this whole ledge is fake if not the whole rear quarter.
But I love seeing new renders.
Keep up the good work guys.

i suspect that when Chazcron gets the rendering 3d he will see areas that just don't make sense and get closer to reality.

Very exciting!

[QUOTE=John T;1598216074]John T,

While the top of the intake line appears to to be more subtle than the C8R, IMHO these images seem to suggest the fender top ridge does transition to the top edge of the intake similar to the C8R.
The curve you mentioned may just be the optics of the edge softening as it terminates at the front of the intake - and, oh yeah, camouflage! :cheers:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...84392f4bca.png
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...bb79bdfaa8.png
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...df1b69efbe.png
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...fbcb024a13.png

Agree... everyone's ideas are speculation at this point... so have fun with it. I appreciate the time/energy you'll be putting into it. Thanks.

[QUOTE=tomlink;1598217595]This photo shows the outline of the camo really well.

Here is how I see the side scoop outline from this view. I used the side photo that I added the red outline above and translated it to 3D. (Yes, the camo is really hiding this shape, IMO)


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...f7308389ff.png

Thanks for clarifying your version of the side scoop. Honestly, I am hoping the C8 is going to be eye candy like an exotic and at least 700+ HP/AWD.

I think I have the scoop figured out. Lower door moulding/character line goes into and bi-sects the scoop much like the molding that bi-sects the vent on a C5 Vette.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...4900614eda.png
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...33c8d008d5.png
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...f226f02ce3.png
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...2347b22bd8.png
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...051dfb41f0.png
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...150299b884.jpg

A possibility is that it is hiding in plain sight.
This older image shows the door lip angle hidden under that boxy black tarp rectangle. IF, the angled V overhang was not real, why hide it under a tarp box built to access the door touch pad under the lip? At this point in the camo...a year ago, there was no need to build the camo fake panels and then put a black tarp over it.

Also note that the angle of the top door edge scoop lead follows the C8R angle and the bottom angle seen in the top image suggests a similar angle upward toward the center similar to the C8R.

If the angles are real, they can only converge so many ways. A sharp V or rounded.

Just food for thought and an alternate possibility.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...f8f1283f14.jpg

Tonight's update
 

I spent the whole evening reworking the scoop. It is not all there yet, I have new reference on the depth. Maybe tomorrow, but here are two rendered angles:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...11f50c59b1.gif
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...9281700589.gif

Better that they deploy a corporate disinformation specialist than a corporate investigator.

I hate this photo, because it renders my renders invalid. Screw all you guys who got it right.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...07a5e650b.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...e242623746.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...bc70d323e9.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...05aeb72fc9.png

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...db74882989.png
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...6cbd090733.jpg

You can tell from the CAD that there's a more flowing shape there than can be seen with the wrapped cars. That area is no where nears as blocky, slab sided, and bulging out as the fake panels under the wrap make it look.

You guys are creating one hell of a door ding maker with your door line/top of the scoop.

I think he did not anticipate the under door lip handle and the upper scoop lead-in on the door.

But we don't really know anything for sure...yet.

I agree that the way it is being shown on the camo cars is not "real" I am sure the final design will be very well executed and beautiful. I think those "blocks" as you point out, will be much reduced and flow into the rear fender in a natural way.

There are a lot of very smart people here and I am posting this drawing with some questions and observations. I'd like to hear thoughts about the CAD info and potential scoop execution.

here is an updated side view render and also some Qs about the CAD intake.
The side view was tweaked a bit and fine tuned for some details.

I believe the final car will be much more finely styled with wonderful surface details and body lines.

To me, they can not have the side intake bare with no cover to keep out debris. If you look at the CAD you note that the body (brown) has a cut out for the scoop and seems to show split (upper and lower) intake ducts. The elongated scoop shape goes past the actual ducts. I think this area needs to be filled with a cover of some sort...maybe similar to the Mclaren and Audi? Or body color but I think it needs to be covered with something.

thoughts?
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...202051ae7c.jpg

THIS!!!! THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FOREVER. The "pacman" jaw will be a black trim part and the colorized part will be the more rounded classic Corvette cove shape. Without the "Jaw" the scoop will be much less effective as a scoop.

This part will be contrasting color:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...b69adaf21a.jpg

Interesting. There will be a wide car and a narrow car. The rear quarter will cover the top part which includes that black hole above. A different bottom part will be required for each. The final shape of the inlet hole will be in the quarter panel. The door handle can be moved, so my shape inlet is still feasible. You can see my addition to the lower sill to accommodate the wider quarter on my C6.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...78e7a9eacb.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...86b8d3bda7.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...1ba15f3d1c.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...9a2ae41233.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...db61e143b2.jpg

This part will be black trim in carbon fiber weave is my guess or painted black.

It's my opinion that the Pacman-shaped side scoop is a ruse. The reason I say that is because of the very thin inlet wall on the lower jaw portion of the Pacman side scoop. The upper jaw portion is substantially thicker. This is true for both the C8 and C8-R.

I superimposed onto the shots below of the C8-R the same scoop I traced from the May 2018 images. I did not alter the outline in any way other than to proportionally scale it, then rotate it to fit with the body lines shown in the photo of the car.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...6088504a0c.png


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...ca6f422851.png

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...b60e2f7510.png

hope the scoop looks more like a lambo and offered in lambo yellow color, because i just saw one today-wow!

his gut I would trust after the 6th gen camaro work he did. So happy he has committed to doing this. Thank you!!!!

This is really rough, probably not worth posting, requires a lot of imagination and you'll probably all hate it, but this is the first stand-alone render, hacked with photoshop. Remember, this is a "WORK IN PROGRESS" thread. (And get used to these placeholder wheels.) Only the roof is new, the rest is just clumsily hinted and not scaled out yet.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...9f5e072d76.jpg

Very cool! I am enjoying seeing your progress!

I really think you're on to it. Getting the hood right, getting the inside of the headlights right (drl) are going to be the real challenges I think. Great work so far!

Nice work man... I'm already imagining the little vents, carbon bits, etc that will bring it to life.

Yes. I'm of the opinion that the lower triangular pieces on both the street and race versions are fake.

I say this mainly because of how the upper and lower portions of the scoop transitions the thickness of the inlet lip.

The upper portion is thick, then tapers sharply to a thin lip on the triangular piece, then widens out to a thick lip once it merges back into the body at the bottom of of the scoop.

I agree. We will only see what the car really looks like once GM decides it's time.

Yes, I agree. Compared to the placement of the street car, the outlines on the racer are slightly aft of where they really should be. I just placed the outline in the general area to see how it fit.

Why did you go back to including the fake panels from Nurburgring in your render?

CorvetteBrando: I do appreciate and agree with your analysis and detailed observations. If you look close I think I took all of these into consideration and addressed them in these renders. The only difference is the angles and perspective IMO.

Where the scoop goes after it disappears under the camo panel is a mystery but here are 3 possible versions.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...aeb3069186.jpg

Orange and Yellow version look the best by far!

Trouble is, they forgot to remove the disguise on the release version! Now they're fast-tracking a new fascia for the SS because, surprisingly, ugly doesn't sell.

The tacked-on panel over the side scoop is the only part of the body I've been saying is fake. Maybe it's real. But if it is, it looks pretty crude to me.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...27404eb11c.png

The 'Ring was primarily for chassis tuning. They test the cooling system at the Yuma proving grounds where they can run the production scoops free of prying eyes.

Check your PMs Z

unretouched render
 

Here's the latest progress, I know It doesn't seem like much but lots of tweaks. This is straight out of the modeler, no Photoshop. (all my door cutlines so far have been added in post)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...bdba4e18a5.jpg

Here's a screengrab video of the model in motion:

I continue to suggest the reference to the leaked Zerv CAD's. The scoop went back to about 8" - 10" from the rear tire. None of these renders have this in them yet.

FVS, I am in the process of reworking the scoop. I'll have the trim piece in place and return to the deep scoop. I scrutinized the highest res I could find and concluded what the scoop is most likely going to be. the trim piece is definately there. I'm currently investigating how far from the body the scoop is.

Hello chaz, Are we pretty darn sure the upper edge of the scoop begins at the top of the rear fender? Could it be possible that the scoop begins from at horizontal line on the door?

Either way, thanks for the excitement.

New scoop and other progress
 

I scrutinized the highest resolution images and many other puffed out scoop shots. This is where I landed. This is where I'll stay until there is solid proof provided. I also had to manipulate the shape to conform to the spy shot, my model is still proportionally a little wonky, and my placeholder wheels need to be lower profile.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...20835a54a2.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...e4e768dd44.gif

Scoop Modification already
 

Tip of the hat to user MikeG37 for pointing this out. He pointed to the CAD of the scoop from the bottom which finally made sense to me. I am so sure he is right I made a photoshop modification and will rework on the model tonight:


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...b1bb99899b.jpg

The trim piece would likely be as you show here rather than only the edge "blade" It would probibly fill the opening seen in the CAD and have a divider to split air to the top and bottom ports as seen in the CAD.

I think you've got it man... That's the C8 boys and girls.

OOO I'm gonna add the carbon fiber look, too!

I'll give the "fill opening" as all carbon fiber some consideration, but I think it would clutter the look. Also I don't think there is a break or bump in the door panel in shots looking straight down the scoop.

It appears that the C8 has a tiny waistline so why do the quarters have to bulge again where there is a scoop?