Thinking of selling my Z,is $30,000 a stretch?
 

Dont do it bro!!!!!!!!!!!!

No offense but you'd be lucky to get 20-22k. This is coming from a z owner that was in the market for several years before buying one recently. They just aren't bringing the money at the moment.

Yeah, the days of $30K ZR-1's are over and probably won't be seen again in our life time. The collector market is just not embracing these cars and the prices still seem to be falling. Even the low mileage 94-95 aren't getting decent $$.
Rich

Sorry Jeff, that 30k is probably a bridge too far. Your car is very nice- nicer than most. I have a 91 ZR! so I "more than casually" pay attention to the market value. I am always surprised at how the car seem to hover just a bit at, or below the 20ish mark. The only ones that see to go above are the true time capsules---- the ones with 500 miles on them,

I'm going to agree with the crowd. Unless you have a museum piece $30,000 is stretching it.

People don't appreciate these car...don't know why.





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32k miles, sold for $38k recently (and non-OE tires and missing front license plate filler from the pics)

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I don't put a lot of stock into BJ pricing and sales. If there was a pricing "bell curve" the auctions are at the super high end of the spectrum and consequently would be eliminate (along with the super low) to make the average more realiable.

There is a lot that goes into the auctions getting an emotionally charged higher price point... starting with the free beverage tent.

Our world is 20ish.

I agree. For additional reference: 1993 Corvette with 22,000 miles, black on black with a carbon fiber hood (original black hood went with car as well) had an asking price of $25,000 here in Florida. It sat for years unsold. Someone on the forum was looking for a black on black 93 Z, so I ran that one by them. They ended up getting it for less, which honestly even at $25,000 that would be an outstanding deal but just goes to show where these cars are.

I agree that $30K is a bit high.
I just picked up a 100% original '92 White/White (1 of 10) with 18K miles for less than the asking price of $30K.
I did pay more than the average (a bit over $25K), but I couldn't pass it up. It is too nice.

On 1/9/18, a Polo Green 1993 ZR-1 with less than 8,000 miles sold at Mecum for $21,500.
On 6/8/18, A nice burgundy 1990 ZR-1 was bid up to $9,000 at Mecum, and the bidding stopped.
On 10/5/18, A red/red 1992 ZR-1 with 23,286 miles sold at Mecum in Dallas for $17,500. It was listed at no reserve . It looked to be in excellent condition.

I'm noticing C6 Z06's when advertised for low 30's are moving within a few weeks....Low 30's meaning 30K-32K in nice shape with maybe some mods and not that high of mileage..

When people are looking for Vettes a few will pay more money for the newer car.....I agree our circle is small and if a ZR-1 sells for decent money its because the person specifically wanted that car.....Meaning, takes time for the C4Z to find the right buyer....Have to be patient..

Agreed.

WOW.. and I thought my garage was small...

NO. C'mon. Make it easier. Buy a decent one-piece cover so you can uncover and cover it quickly and get it out on the road ! That'll make you change your mind and generate enthusiasm to drive it more often. Corvettes are made to drive hard and as often as possible.
Wayne

No. I mean cover it in the garage with a one-piece cover and then put it back in the garage and re-cover it.
A one-piece is easy to get on and off. Making it easier on yourself will give you more motivation to drive it.

I think it will bring $30k if you dont sell it for less...if all owners won't sell for less! The reason the current value may be "undervalued" is because owners are selling low....that's it! If you have a nice example, hold out for top dollar. If everyone would play by these rules we would all benefit 😉

although I might take issue with your claim of "nicest one out there" 😁😁😁
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[QUOTE=Snakeskinner2;1598263427]I think it will bring $30k if you dont sell it for less...if all owners won't sell for less! The reason the current value may be "undervalued" is because owners are selling low....that's it! If you have a nice example, hold out for top dollar. If everyone would play by these rules we would all benefit 😉

although I might take issue with your claim of "nicest one out there" 😁😁😁
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I say we ban together....who's in! Don't sell low✊...don't sell low ✊....don't sell low✊ 😂😂

I know most people won't pay a premium, but the ones that want a nice clean c4zr1 will if they have their hearts set on it. The owners/sellers set the market, not the buyers, why, because the sellers have the car 😉
that green car just got finished up yesterday is my understanding lol

Are you the guy doing the You Tube vids? Did you do the one on the green car for the headers installation?

guilty as charged 😁

Nice.... I watched your header video and a couple others you did. You have courage to even get in front of a camera... I am not comfortable doing that myself. Good job man!:cheers:

[QUOTE=zrc3john;1598263468]Those wheels really set off the color of that car..Great job and nice two car garage in your videos..I have lived in NY my entire life....Houses in my neighborhood with 2 car garage are no less than 900 thousand and there not in the best of shape...2 family? 1.2 million,.Semi attached as well..

I know its not a real estate forum but its out of control here...Not many people with classic cars here...Space is limited and parking is at a premium...

thanks man! I stuck at it but somebody has to keep the z content going lol.

I'm serious about the prices on these cars guys, everybody needs to band together all owners and stop selling these amazing things for peanuts. In my opinion you can't replace it for the money these are going for. These are a very special car that all of us love or we wouldn't own. The white one that this guy is selling in this sad or contemplating selling is amazing looking, all the work he's put into it, no way I would take less than 30 for that thing it's beautiful

We don't have a monopoly and can't control what most of the 6,000 + owners do. See my post above in #12. Basic economics is supply and demand, not just what the owners do. Fair market price is what a willing buyer will give a willing seller. There's competition too, like a C5 Z06, which go for way less than $30,000. You can't control market forces unless you have a monopoly, which is illegal under the Sherman/Clayton Antitrust Act.

you're right basic economics is supply and demand and guess what we have the supply. What is gas in your state $4 a gallon? Why do you pay that, why don't you just pay $1 a gallon?
If everyone or the majority of owners stop selling low the prices would rise. Obviously I know I can't convince all owners of ZR1 but the majority comes to this forum, it's a start right....

I would venture to say were closer to about 5500 owners... I think its reasonable to believe that about 10% of the cars, worldwide, in the last 28 years have been wrecked or lost to floods, hurricanes, etc... just a thought...

if even that, I honestly would guess about 20% MIA.
either way it just demonstrates the increasing Rarity of these cars. All I'm trying to do is keep the value up for everyone😁

To the original poster, you're ZR1 is probably in the top 5% of absolutely beautiful examples ....don't let that bitch go for a penny less than $30k!😉👊

You're probably right, but based on the very high price when new, and the way most new and used owners have taken obsessive care of their cars over the years, maybe there's more around than some other models. No way to know. However many there are, they are certainly current bargains. Every time I crack open the front, I get a rush looking at my LT-5.

Those wheels are beautiful, that car is a gem,,who makes those rims, thanks

Thinking of selling mine next spring or just waiting for retirement in Aug of 2020, than deciding....
91 49,000 miles ....Evolution dragon heart package with cams.....Actually Pete did the plenum and injector housings first, went in stages .....525 crank horsepower on mustang dyno.....Excellent condition, enthusiast owned..

Car has the chrome A molds on now.
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Can you prove your statements that we have the supply, or even the majority? To prove your argument, you have to prove that first. I'm sure we don't come close to having the supply. Do a survey here and on the ZR-1 Registry, and you may come up with a couple hundred at most. Even if it's 1000, that comes nowhere close to what's needed. You need facts, not speculation.
The price of gas here for regular is $2.60 and $2.85 for high test, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? If I was willing to pay only $1.00, none of my cars would be running. If your point is that the oil companies have a monopoly, you're wrong. Even OPEC can't keep their act together. Less demand through efficiency and alternative energy, and competition between countries and oil companies, dictate the price. And we're not OPEC, nations or the oil companies.
Add to that the fact there isn't much demand for C4's or C4 ZR-1's keeps the prices low.
By the way, I also have one that's Polo Green (1991 #500). When I bought it, it needed work, so I'm slowly doing it. There's a lot of satisfaction in bringing a Corvette back to new! I did it with my '65 fuelie, and I'll do it with this one.

Except for the C1 C2 and some examples of the C3 generation most corvette prices are down...You think the guy who paid 118,000 dollars for a C6 ZR-1 is happy to get 60,000 thousand for it?
Its true many owners bought these hoping to cash in down the line I would imagine....I have seen a few examples of C4Z's with less than a thousand miles just sit there .....One 90 last week at mecum with 375 miles red/red bid up to 27,000 dollars and it was a no sale...

Now, if you paid 9 grand for a 79 trans am back in the day and kept it pristine, your investment would be around 300-400% profit....

Don't see many ZR-1s crossing the block for 180-200K do we?

Its what people want, its really sometimes not the car.....Everyone knows a C4Z can run circles around a Trans Am, and the funny thing about that car is they made tons of them....

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That is exactly why I bought another ZR1. I sold my last Trans Am back in 93. It was a real Y82 special edition car almost exactly like the movie car just minus the 8 track player. I tried to sell it about a year prior but this guy after agreeing to my price tried and beat me down. I sent him packing. The car was all stock and needed to be restored but was very respectable driver. With a blown tranny I got $3500.00 for her and wished I had just held on to it and restored it myself. I would have bought one this time around but I'm sorry to me they are not worth 50-60 K and up for a restored car. I'm not going to pay that. I guess one reason is cause I had two of them so no need to buy something I wanted as a kid.

So this year I decided it was time after not having one for almost ten years to get another car. I knew what I wanted. Either a low mile very clean stock car or one that had been modified with the right stuff. I looked at a few cars local. All junk really. Like a car in Delaware a 94 with some serious issues that I declined to make an offer on. A 91 with low miles about 20K but must have sat outside and close to the ocean it was a mess. They wanted $20,000.00 for it and it was horrible. But when a car showed up on ebay that was done by Marc Haibeck with one of his 510 packages and it actually made 528 H.P. I was all over it.

Did I pay too much for this car? Maybe. But it was exactly what I wanted. At 38K it went to Haibeck for the package and it now had 48K on it. I paid $21,400 for it but it really gave me something others on the market for more money couldn't. The truth is if you buy a nice car with mid miles for around 18k and spend the money with Haibeck for the 510 package you would have 28k in it. And if you decide to sell it that's money your not going to see back. But that's part of the car hobby. Most of the time your not going to see money back. Your lucky if you break even. Yes there are exceptions.

There just isn't much love for the C4 Corvette's. In general it seems that the 96 Grand Sport gets most of the love. I think it's because of all that went into it. The special paint scheme along with the LT4 and maybe cause it was just one year. The ZR1 is just way too much a sleeper looking so much like the stock C4. At least back in 1990 there was a bigger look difference between the ZR and the regular C4. But in 91 when they gave the base cars the same rear bumper they kind of really sealed the fate. The ZR1's needed more than what GM was doing with the body. So it gets no love. Look at all the differences between a C6 Z06 and ZR1 compared to the stock cars. They learned that people wanted more not just performance. They want to be seen and people knowing what they got. Something you got back when you bought a Trans Am back in 1970-81. The later cars didn't have the performance but they sure looked the part.

if you paid $21k for that car with a MH510pkg on it you did fantastic! Beautiful car

I remember seeing this car at carlisle back in Aug.....I got there on a Friday late and only got a chance to say hello to some of the registry members.....

$21,400 for that car with those mods is a bargain.....Maybe bargain is a strong word but that Z is well bought by you......I would pay 21,400 for that car all day....

I think bargain is a great word to describe that purchase.... 20 grand really isnt that much money in this day and age.... Consider all the 20 thousand dollar 4 door shit boxes that are rolling around everywhere.... all taking the same bland and boring shape, basically unidentifiable until your close enough to see a crooked H or L on the grill.... Id lay down 20 large for an exciting, different looking iconic car like the ZR-1 before considering any of the throw away crap available today...
RANT OFF! :D

EXACTLY! even at the $30k the op was considering selling for.....what can you get as an alternative...The c5z06 is what everyone throws out and it is a great car but it isn't even in the same realm of special as the zr1. I think $30k for a premo example of a c4z with all the right mods is not unreasonable at all.

if you are in the market for a modded Z buying it done is a great way to go if done by a reputable shop. I bought a used DRM and a couple of LPEs and they were smokin deals in comparison to paying for the package.

Haibeck is the same, only more affordable for the ponies you get. That car would be an ok deal WITHOUT the mods and unfortunately modded cars aren't well understood and don't often fetch the $ they are worth.

if you reclaimed every $, that car is worth 35k. So 21k is a smoking deal indeed.

Guess I'm screwed next spring when I try to sell my 91 blk/blk.....522 HP.....Oh well....

Its a stretch Jeff

[QUOTE=zrc3john;1598265536]Move to AZ. 6 Car attached Garage on a half Acre less than Half of that. CA, NY and IL are out of control in taxes and house prices.

Not only do you lack an understanding of basic economics, but nowhere near the majority of owners come to both forums if you combined them.

Prices on these are dropping again and are probably going to continue to for the time being. If all the extra publicity in the last couple years with articles about these cars coupled with articles on the new ZR1s haven't increased popularity, nothing is going to anytime soon.

Like someone else said, you can now get more car for the same money in newer corvettes that you can go to the dealer and buy parts for vs. fighting for the spares that are out there.

[QUOTE=Goldcylon;1598281640]Yes it is....Have property in myrtle beach and Fla as well.....21 months to retirement....Would like to try another state...Somewhere where there is room...

c4 and c5 prices dropped quite a bit and you can get nice cars for next to nothing. However, for these cars the mods cost 15-25k for many of the performance packages making a 20k car beyond a bargain.

Stock zr1s have started to drift under 20k for nice examples and unfortunately, in the past the stockers went for more than the modded cars. In this case, modded cars are fetching more even though you lose alot when paying for the package at resale time and that's just a fact of hot rodding. If you want to invest, I wouldn't suggest ZR-1s as they made too many. The investment is in getting the car for an affordable price and trying to wipe the grin off your face.

that's priceless.

I'd hang onto it. I'Il give you the "economics" of my example with the old LSV. the 95s were still fetching top dollar and the LPE package was 34k. Thank goodness I paid 55 and sold 5 k worth of take off parts.

So I started out at a 50k price point for the 390 which although not top dog in terms of HP and trq, it had some pedigree. I very soon realized that even though this is a "one of one" build with some pretty cool stuff, at resale time I was likely dipping down into the low 30s trying to sell which means I'd walk away from 20k. Nah. I kept driving it. It just tipped over 105k and has always pulled extremely hard at the ragged edge of traction and beyond even with a lightweight flywheel which "softens the hit"

This is not an L88 investment grade car, its an anvil you take out and beat on and admire the dents in your hammer. It's a car that for me is really comfortable, pulls like falling down a mine shaft, and will do it over and over.


We just finished pulling it all apart and the damage from the blown HG is slight, one liner is scalloped down at the bottom, crank rods and pistons are ok, and now to reward myself the heads and intake are properly ported and it will wear a nice new finish to set it off as the special engine it is.

We discovered a nice sonny bryant 3.875 crank, pankyl titanium rods, and the JE pistons all look in great shape. A fresh set of liners, rings bearings and the old gal should be ready to dance a bit more sprightly for another 100k or so.

Just waiting for a few goodies, liners are in the block and honed, and the engine should be more than a pile of parts soon. Best news is that I'm "off the bench" and no longer a used car salesman. I divested from the old 68 vette, the pho ferrari 355 ferrari, the old merc 560, and the porshe 944 turbo. But they got our old house renovated, and bought me some bill paying time. I may actually be able to start paying down my "national debt" which wasn't looking too good.

keep it, it's the best thing you'll ever do. The investment is in yourself and enjoying it for many miles of smiles.

I hear ya.....Will see....The cars super clean with the right mods to keep you interested....Car was bone stock when I got it.....I notice some people like buying cars stock.....Next one I buy I want it all done turn key....These cars along with other vettes, not just the ZR-1,do not fetch a lot of money...Yet, if you can pick one up for low 20's with over 500 horse, to me, that's a great buy..

we have done a few low buck 380 builds with stock crank and with good head porting those motors pull just as strong as my big doggie 390

so you can do an offset grind crank and 4 liners much cheaper than a full blown stroker and the factory crank is plenty strong

but for sure if you can find a good car that's built, and doesn't have any issues that's clearly the way to go.

most of the high end LPE, DRM, Haibeck, SGC, Vette Dr, and others are top notch parts.

I'm getting excited to get going again. And a 427 on the near term horizon too which is going to really rock.

I looked at "big 4.125" liners and it was just beyond me at this point. I'll do what I can with the 4 bore :D

I see what you mean about pricing when it comes to mods on the ZR-1.....Vette Dr's is near me, I remember seeing there package for the ZR-1 and it was upwards of $ 21,000...Yikes !!! Didn't pay that for the whole car but that's how it is sometimes even with other models...

See many C6 Z06's built going for mid 30's....Don't know if all C6Z"s had the head issue but many owners I see just basically swapped them out .....

Quick: Which Corvette models/options since 1953 have both: 1) Unique Engine option, 2) Unique Body Options, And every other option listed for the model? Answer: The C4 ZR1 is the only one I'm aware of...

Combine that with the unique engine aspects (LT5 design and development by Lotus, DOHC, etc), Engine construction (by Mercury Marine), AND the Unique WIDER BODY and larger rear wheels and the optional engine *(LT5) horsepower which basically doubled that of the standard Corvette Engine of those year, and I personally believe that the C4 ZR1 is the MOST UNIQUE Corvette model ever sold by Chevrolet! (I also think the C4 clamshell hood design makes any C4 Corvette stand out from the 'corvette' crowd...)

If your talking about engine options the C-2 and the C-3 had many engine options, including the L-88 which had close to 600 HP when you ran headers...
Hey, I would like to see the ZR-1 gain some value, I own one....375-405 HP and the people are just not biting..

Like I said before it is easy to retain value, just don't sell for Less. That's it.

I don't believe it is due to the horsepower. Why are 90s 911 brining so much? NSX, Supra, Type R's, e39 M5s and so on. They are all slower than a stock zr-1,(non turbo 911) won't out handle one either. It's all down to hype, IMO.

My guess is its just stuck in the " Bastard" generation of Corvette then, what else could it be?
Look at the price of a C 6ZR1,mid 60's at best even with supporting mods....Recently saw a C6ZR1 anniversary edition 800 HP to the wheels, 2,200 miles....Asking price 67K...Flawless condition..It retailed for 127K..Seller says he got a great deal when he bought it....Figure even if he got it for 110K, which is stretching it, plus I would say at least 25 thousand in mods, pretty much taking a big hit..
All vettes from the fourth generation up are taking hits not just the C4Z....Moral to the story? Drive your car and enjoy it...

In general, cars are not a good investment... anyone with a large bank account can tell you that.... cars are a hobby and a labor of love. Any money put into them is basically money lost. Thats just a fact of playing with cars.... The key is finding a car like the ZR-1, that trips your trigger, buy it for what youre willing to pay, fix it, maintain it and drive the sonofabeeotch!

Even better:cool:

Hilarious... yet the photo of a c4 ZR-1 crammed in a storage space will be the future. The point is people don't seek them to begin with, let alone pay for a lesser vehicle than the new versions that are FAR superior. Plenty of them out there, more than the demand and they sit. As cars get better and faster the more they will be forgotten.. As the people get older that knew of or experienced "king of the hill" the less they will hang on for top dollar. It's a GM accessory toy. Not investment and not something that even made people go crazy for when new. Less demand now than ever, and never was a ton.

The only way these get demand at this point is if gasoline cars go extinct or have a HP rating and you can only buy new or be grandfathered in.

Awesome toy, neat and different toys, but too subtle of differences.

sounds like someone is mad they dont have a zr1 lol

How would you explain Camaros then? 70's Camaros and Z-28's were dogs.... The Z-28 was only different than the base model because of plastic bolt on non functional spoilers and disco stripes.... AND there were 2 MILLION made... Have you looked at F body prices lately?

Not that it matters, but there will be a time when the ZR-1 is saught after.... Its the fact that nobody knows what the hell they are still to this day.... many, many Vette owners never even heard of one... How can there be demand for something nobody knows about? Thats the real issue in my opinion. The only way to get demand is to educate people about them... thats what the ZR1netregistry is for...

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You may be right as far as people not knowing about the manufacturing that went into it..Many corvette people do know but some don't..
I could be wrong but I think the initial price of this car new was shocking..60-65,000 for a Corvette blew people out of the water..I know many people paid above sticker and maybe left a bad taste in there mouth..

It may very well be the mystique of the engine that keeps prices down. By today's standards, it's an overly complex engine for the power it generates. It was impressive back then, but when today's simple push rod SBCs can be ordered in a crate with 405 hp or more, with a one-and-done carb on top, I can see why people would shy away from a rare engine that parts aren't readily available for, at least compared to a traditional SBC.

I had someone get out of their car and come talk to me about mine and he loved it. Then I start walking around the car and pointing out all the things that are ZR-1 specific that you can't just order if you need it, and his smile slowly disappeared and he kind of just stared at the car blankly. After all of it though he still said he wanted one but if I had to guess, the collector crowd probably feels the same way about these cars right now. Just an old C4 that's 10K more than other C4s, and still slower than a C5 Z06 that can be had for cheaper.

It's probably old news to some but apparently 93 fox body cobras are going through a gotta-have-it phase right now with prices. It's weird how the bug bites a few people and it spreads through a niche group and then spreads to the general collector crowd. You never know, that bug bite can happen to the C4 Zs at some point.

I see your point. But even the other 80s/90s sports also have parts that are not available, or hard to find. Complex engines as well, for the power they make.

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:cheers:
Marty

Its funny you say that... this is the reason I was drawn to the ZR-1 when I bought my first one 10 years ago. Sold it and bought another. I have no fear whatsoever about parts availability or the over all longevity of the LT-5... I guess peoples minds work in different ways.... and while Im no guru... Im handy with a set of tools, so that might be why I have less reservation about owning a Z....

1992 ZR1 red on red w/422 original miles
 

The most reliable and easy to maintain is the LT5
 

The Beauty of the LT5 is that the starter is top side rather than underneath. I can remove an LT5 starter in 10 minutes (And then only have to clean up the solenoid points for a very reliable starter). And...…..the whole top of the engine is ONLY the Plenum in this case.....not the Heads....not the Injector housings, Not the Cam Covers. If you tell me you have to remove the Whole Top of the engine.....yes....That statement blew my mind :yesnod:

There are no little quirks if you do an initial restoration of the top end as the LT5 is one of the most reliable engines there is. The most obvious is the vacuum system which vacuum lines and connectors you can replace completely in a few minutes for $125 (Ebay).
All and any parts are available on Ebay (Jerry's Gaskets and some other sources) :thumbs:

WOW!! The LT5 may be complex to you but not to me and I would much rather work on the LT5 than any other engine. ALL parts that I have needed are available on Ebay (Jerry's Gaskets and some other sources). I am not sure what parts you pointed out that you cannot just order but all parts I know of I can get easily in two days from several sources delivered to my door.

You scare folks away from one of the most reliable engines and fun car to drive that exists. And one of the easiest to obtain the minor engine parts for (Some major engine parts do not have to be replaced for more than 150,000 to 200,000 miles). Except the DIS and maybe ECM for some which are extreme rarities to fail.

Now if you have to replace or want to replace Drive/half shaft U-Joints or rear wheel bearings (say at 100,000 miles) that is easy also and those kind of parts are readily available and of high quality.

All I can say is if you take just a bit of time to familiarize yourself with some initial Maintenance Techniques and in particular familiarize yourself with the Initial Fluid Change out and types of Fluids you will find that the LT5 just keeps on running with very little maintenance required (I mention the Oil Filter on the top for example that can be removed with NO oil spill and changed out in seconds).

Any other questions I refer you to the Sticky at the top of this C4 ZR-1 Discussion section with some 250,000 views :thumbs:

I guess back in 90 gearheads were not used to the complexity of this engine as opposed to today....I mean most motors today are complex but back in 90 people were like , what?
I remember when I got my plenum and I Hector housings back from Pete.....Put everything back on. go to start it, nothing, bad starter....I'm like, oh no....Lol...

I would have said "Oh no...….Honey I will be 30 minutes late as I have to brush up the Starter Solenoid Points on the Corvette" …...LOL....LOL
Or...…"Oh no...….Honey...….will you hop in when I give the Corvette a little push.....you pop the clutch with key on in second gear and we are off and running"

It is amazing how many folks call in a car hauler for a no start and then spend $$$$$$$$$$ on replacing the starter. Same goes with Alternator issues.

The first time for a plenum pull can be a bit intimidating.... I remember when I did my injectors, coils & wires for the first time on my 92.... I took it really slow.

Have to remember that....Car was in the garage with the no start...Basically trapped, could not be pushed, not enough room...Hey its NY....Think I paid 190 for the starter on EBay...Did it myself and cleaned out that drain hole.....All good...

Do not marry a car for you will loose like a bad stock! The parts for these cars are getting scarce. When you have a Corvette shop tell you on a mint 15,000 mile car your car is old tech there is no incentive to keep so you sell low. Good move for the buyer. I believe having a few new cars since the 60's you should lease the toys and move on after a few years. This way you have the pure enjoyment of a new ride! You will loose either way buying out right or leasing! Cars are not investments!

Guess I'm going to be on here a lot over the next few weeks ( recovering from ACL surgery) Can't drive the vettes, both are manual,left knee....
Are today's cars investments? Most likely no....Than again if you had vettes from the 60's than hell yeah there investments...No note and really cheap classic ins.This is all of course if you bought the car in the 60's or for that matter 15-20 years ago....

Sweet ride!!!

A red/red 90 with 27 miles crossed the block at mecum yesterday..Yes 27 miles....Bid goes on at $42,500.....Has to be the highest priced offered for a production Z in the last few years..

NEVER reference auction prices to use in the real world. To many factors pushing prices + or - at auctions

Yes very true, but if I was the seller, I would have jumped at that price....Few months ago at B Jackson they had same color 90 with less than 300 miles get a top bid of $ 27,500 no sale.........Few days later a seller, got an offer of $ 15,000 I believe for his polo green 91...Didn't sell it....Few days later put it back in at no reserve....Hammer price $11,000 I believe ( great great deal for buyer)......Can't be too greedy with the Z right now...

Of course the SD 74 Trans Am sold for $60,000,or did it? All I know is it got that high...

. If it went to Barrett-Jackson it's sold. They don't do any no sales unless it's a concours car worth over a million!

I would just put it at the price I would let it go for and that's the price. I'll keep it or sell at the price I'd let it go for... it's that simple.

Yes, my bad....Had to be Mecum.....👍👍

106k hard miles on the LSV the value is all in the smiles car isn't worth a plug nickel and any old stroker or turbo c5 will run it down (yup, got one) but the value is all in the grins

I'm having ZR-1 withdrawl right now so anyone that cares to let me ride ho along with you let me know. I may twitch and go through the DTs a bit when the LT5 goes WOT as it's been since may for me.

Turbo car is kaput too. Ho ho ho. At least I have a job and the LSV is all cleaned up and ready to go back together

block is nice and clean with fresh honed liners (deck plate of course), pistons and rods look ok and cleaned up. recoated calico mains look tasty as do the rod bearings

just new rings to go. A slathering of MLS gaskets courtesy of Mr ZR1 specialist, and of course jerrys gaskets for valve guides gaskets (ya duh) and moral support :>

so now comes the coming together. Jury is still out on the clutch. I have a fidanza and LT1 solid hub disk (ya it rattles like an old diesel truck, get over it)

hmmmm the dual disk ram is looking very appealing despite some of the comprimize associated with it, so I may have a nice fidanza for cheap soon, stay tooned

I'm also looking at a steel flywheel redrilled for a higher pressure plate that will take the abuse which I hope to sneak up on around 540 at the tire with a sprinkle of optimism

But I know with a bit of TLC breathed into the heads and tune I'll pick up a few undiscovered clydesdales to pick up the top end and hope to hit both new peak hp and carry the torq a bit highera

factory clutch disk I've heard will handle upwards of 700 hp, and I'll be pushing around 650 at the flywheel if all goes well. In my experience the drag strip abuse will overheat my little fidanza in a minute, and a bit more weight and intertia from a dual disk or steel flywheel will help me get with the program at the drag strip and yield a bit nicer street manners without overheating at the strip which is the achilles heal of the fidanza/lt1 disk setup I have now. decisions decisions

not going with anything different in the valve train, and a few new chain guides that are suspect and the old gal should be ready for another 100-200k of very hard miles indeed

I haven't been able to crest 200 or crack 10s but both are forthcoming. I now have some front skinnies and 16 drag pack or the 17 hoosiers should the need arise so the drag strip arena is covered

I also have some nice ccw road race classics that will get a fresh black powder coat for a few beauty shots before crumbling up the tires which are old and in need of fresh balonies

315 fronts and 335 rears they are some big balonies but they fit!!! may go with a 305 front as I think they will work well and I can find some nice tires in those sizes

I'm thinking of going back to R888 or some such "ultra street" tire rather than the hoosiers for a more rounded use.

now like most women I need 3 animals

1 a tiger in bed
2 a jaguar in the garage
3 some jackass to pay for it all

Merry Christmas, ho ho ho, revving imaginary lt5

A 1991 in Colchester Ct at a car show with new injectors ,low mileage, wanted $16,000 One owner . The color was white and i told the owner he was given it away! He said I have been trying to sell for two years there is no buyers.

Have him post it on the ZR-1 Net Forum and it will sell quickly

I paid $12k for mine a little over a year ago. Has 152k on the body, ~32k on the engine (Haibeck built.) Car needed (and still needs) quite a bit of maintenance work done, but I didn't buy it as an investment. I bought it because I always liked the LT5. If I sold my car now, it's a guaranteed loss considering how much I've sank into it since I bought it. I bought this car to drive though, not to fix up and sell. Having never owned a C4, it has proven itself as a "driver's car" and for that I consider these good investments. Look around... there isn't this much performance for the price these days. I can handle the early 90's car quirks. Again, it's worth it for the smile that LT5 puts on my face.

if you got a haibeck zr1 for 12k you did just fine. what work is still needed? considering it's a $ package to start with the engine is worth plenty to those that know.

Well here's what I've had to do since I bought it:

Tires
Rear brake pads
Fuel injectors
Coil packs
Plug wires
Vacuum lines
Starter
Radiator
Rad hoses
Intake coupler
Headlights
LED 3rd brake light
Half shaft U-Joints
Full service oil change
Horns

What's left :

(high priority)
Tie rods & ball joints
Front Brake pads & new brake fluid
Clutch fluid
Headlight gears
Coolant reservoir
Driveshaft u-joints

(Low priority)
ZF Doc beam plates
Short throw shifter
Clutch
Exhaust (it's still stock behind the headers... why?)
Stereo
Air conditioning

lol yup.... it's a pay up front or pay eventuality type of car. Sometimes it's better just to spend the extra money up front and get one that's been properly sorted out. Either way ...... worth every penny!

Yeah, I wasn't complaining :D
I can't say this is my first "Money pit." I can say though, this is some of the biggest fun I've had in a "Money pit." As long as I have it, I will continue to fix it and improve on it. The enjoyment I get from driving this car is well worth the time and money.