Hoosier A7 or R7 on a C7 Z06?
Anyone here running these? These are DOT racing slicks (they have two "cosmetic" grooves", although there is/was some company that would cut treads into them), A7 for autocross, R7 for circuit racing. The rears are a match at 335/25/20, but the closest fronts are 295/30/19 (about 1% larger diameter, may cause the C7 to think the rears are slipping a bit). I've seen a few cars with these at some local car shows.
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A7's are also really great for time trials. They give you amazing grip for a handful of laps. They'll cycle out pretty quick tho..
Be mindful that the Hoosier sizes are generally larger than normal sizes IE the section widith on a 335/25/20 A/R7 is 14.2 vs 13.5 on the pilot super sport. Also the diameter is 27.1 hoosier vs 26.6 pss The C7 isn't to limiting when it comes to weird size tires once you're in PTM or TC/AH off. fwiw. You can pretty much cram whatever fits on your car. don't shop for tires based on "size" without actually looking at tire specs. you'll have a bad time. ETA: Hoosier tire sizes If I was gonna buy tires for the stupid OEM wheel size for a Z06 or GS I would get Hoosier R7 305/30/20 - 27.1 13.2 vs 26.6 13.5 (PSS) Hoosier R7 295/30/19 - 26.1 11.5 vs 25.8 11.3 (PSS) |
Originally Posted by lobsterroboto
(Post 1598248868)
Be mindful that the Hoosier sizes are generally larger than normal sizes IE the section width on a 335/25/20 A/R7 is 14.2 vs 13.5 on the pilot super sport. Also the diameter is 27.1 hoosier vs 26.6 pss
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Originally Posted by rcgldr
(Post 1598248952)
I missed an edit. Fronts are 26.1 versus 25.8. So fronts ~+1%, rears ~+2%. I assume this isn't enough to trigger an engine braking causing the rears to slip warning, but it could interfere with the assists, or at least TC, not sure about the stability control. Is a camber change needed with these tires, or is that just an issue with the bias ply racing slicks used on the smaller cars (Caterham, Formula Ford, ... )?
For any slick or semi-slick I would recommend as much camber as you can get out of your car. Not sure if you're planning on street driving on these tires but if you do you will be making a very expensive mistake. |
A7s for all!
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Originally Posted by lobsterroboto
(Post 1598248990)
For any slick or semi-slick I would recommend as much camber as you can get out of your car.
Not sure if you're planning on street driving on these tires but if you do you will be making a very expensive mistake. |
All the fast Mile guys seem to run the Hoosiers. Cars up to 250mph..... |
Originally Posted by rcgldr
(Post 1598248794)
Anyone here running these? These are DOT racing slicks (they have two "cosmetic" grooves", although there is/was some company that would cut treads into them), A7 for autocross, R7 for circuit racing. The rears are a match at 335/25/20, but the closest fronts are 295/30/19 (about 1% larger diameter, may cause the C7 to think the rears are slipping a bit). I've seen a few cars with these at some local car shows.
Bill |
Originally Posted by lobsterroboto
(Post 1598248868)
A7's are also really great for time trials. They give you amazing grip for a handful of laps. They'll cycle out pretty quick tho..
Be mindful that the Hoosier sizes are generally larger than normal sizes IE the section widith on a 335/25/20 A/R7 is 14.2 vs 13.5 on the pilot super sport. Also the diameter is 27.1 hoosier vs 26.6 pss The C7 isn't to limiting when it comes to weird size tires once you're in PTM or TC/AH off. fwiw. You can pretty much cram whatever fits on your car. don't shop for tires based on "size" without actually looking at tire specs. you'll have a bad time. ETA: Hoosier tire sizes If I was gonna buy tires for the stupid OEM wheel size for a Z06 or GS I would get Hoosier R7 305/30/20 - 27.1 13.2 vs 26.6 13.5 (PSS) Hoosier R7 295/30/19 - 26.1 11.5 vs 25.8 11.3 (PSS) PSS ZP actually runs incredibly wide. Some of the sizes (like the TPC spec Corvette sizes) actually run wider than the corresponding Hoosier tires. I realized this when I put my Miata tires (R7 285/30/18) next to PSS ZP 285/30/19; PSS ZP was wider. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Q7...=w1228-h922-no The tire at the bottom left is 285/30/19 PSS ZP. The tire at the right is Hoosier R7 285/30/18. Per manufacturers' specs, PSS ZP has 11.3" tread width, while R7 has 10.6" tread width, which clearly shows in the pic (they are both not mounted). If you compared sectional widths, however, you'd see 11.5" vs. 11.4", and think that they're about same width. Sectional width is very much dependent on radial belt design, and doesn't even change much with different wheel widths. As such, it might not be as helpful : ) |
Originally Posted by X25
(Post 1598252163)
If I understand it correctly, I think you should focus on tread width, not sectional width. The tread width will be measured as mounted on a rim. If the measured rim (listed in the spec) is different size than what you're using, you can also add/substract 0.2" for every 0.5" wheel size increment/decrement to reach your specific wheel size as an approximation.
PSS ZP actually runs incredibly wide. Some of the sizes (like the TPC spec Corvette sizes) actually run wider than the corresponding Hoosier tires. I realized this when I put my Miata tires (R7 285/30/18) next to PSS ZP 285/30/19; PSS ZP was wider. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Q7...=w1228-h922-no The tire at the bottom left is 285/30/19 PSS ZP. The tire at the right is Hoosier R7 285/30/18. Per manufacturers' specs, PSS ZP has 11.3" tread width, while R7 has 10.6" tread width, which clearly shows in the pic (they are both not mounted). If you compared sectional widths, however, you'd see 11.5" vs. 11.4", and think that they're about same width. Sectional width is very much dependent on radial belt design, and doesn't even change much with different wheel widths. As such, it might not be as helpful : ) oohh yah you’re right i know this tread width would be the more important measurement great post |
for autocross i would like to use these hoosier A7 sizes on my 2016 C7 Z07:
P315/30/ZR19 P335/25/ZR20 The rears are the exact size of the stock tires, so I assume that is the best tire. The front A7s are the ones I am worried about. They are 30mm too wide. Would this even fit? If so I assume this would be the best performing combo for the c7 z06 right? |
A7’s get up to sticky temp faster than R7’s. The grip at optimal temp is pretty much the same. Race teams like to use A7’s to qualify and then pull the tires off and either trash them or sell them as scrubs like Bill was alluding to. I have a friend who buys A7’s from Pheonix this way. R7’s are the way to go for HPDE guys if you’re buying new tires. They typically last as long as Cup2’s and they’re easier to mount because they aren’t run flat. |
As Jed Clampert would say..."My brain hurts from all this ciphering"! I want the best tire for the track while retaining my current wheels on my '17 Z07-7 CCB.(I have two sets) Seems Hoosier or Toyo is my choice? I hate the Cup2's as they wear out to quickly, with no big grip benefit over the pilot SS(which I really like). So, is there anybody actually running these off sizes that are available? obviously not? Why? Probably because we 07 CCB guys are caught in a whirlpool, while the other racer guys have zeroed in on the choices available with Steel brakes and differing wheel sizes? Seems at competitionmotorsports.com they have the 335/25/20 R888RN listed and the N denotes a narrower tire than usual? What Da? No actual details on their site, w full specs? Would it make any sense to run R7 on front with A7 on rear? Why not? I would also think that a Hoosier A7 rear would also be best for drag strip action, as the work better/quicker on cooler temps? and the A7 should never get greasy hot on a road course, as my car will run hot/limp before the that happens. Three hard laps is all I'll get running 9/10ths.
What ya'll think? |
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Originally Posted by Dabigsnake
(Post 1598843936)
As Jed Clampert would say..."My brain hurts from all this ciphering"! I want the best tire for the track while retaining my current wheels on my '17 Z07-7 CCB.(I have two sets) Seems Hoosier or Toyo is my choice? I hate the Cup2's as they wear out to quickly, with no big grip benefit over the pilot SS(which I really like). So, is there anybody actually running these off sizes that are available? obviously not? Why? Probably because we 07 CCB guys are caught in a whirlpool, while the other racer guys have zeroed in on the choices available with Steel brakes and differing wheel sizes? Seems at competitionmotorsports.com they have the 335/25/20 R888RN listed and the N denotes a narrower tire than usual? What Da? No actual details on their site, w full specs? Would it make any sense to run R7 on front with A7 on rear? Why not? I would also think that a Hoosier A7 rear would also be best for drag strip action, as the work better/quicker on cooler temps? and the A7 should never get greasy hot on a road course, as my car will run hot/limp before the that happens. Three hard laps is all I'll get running 9/10ths.
What ya'll think? |
Originally Posted by Dabigsnake
(Post 1598843936)
As Jed Clampert would say..."My brain hurts from all this ciphering"! I want the best tire for the track while retaining my current wheels on my '17 Z07-7 CCB.(I have two sets) Seems Hoosier or Toyo is my choice? I hate the Cup2's as they wear out to quickly, with no big grip benefit over the pilot SS(which I really like). So, is there anybody actually running these off sizes that are available? obviously not? Why? Probably because we 07 CCB guys are caught in a whirlpool, while the other racer guys have zeroed in on the choices available with Steel brakes and differing wheel sizes? Seems at competitionmotorsports.com they have the 335/25/20 R888RN listed and the N denotes a narrower tire than usual? What Da? No actual details on their site, w full specs? Would it make any sense to run R7 on front with A7 on rear? Why not? I would also think that a Hoosier A7 rear would also be best for drag strip action, as the work better/quicker on cooler temps? and the A7 should never get greasy hot on a road course, as my car will run hot/limp before the that happens. Three hard laps is all I'll get running 9/10ths.
What ya'll think? Bill |
Just ordered my set of R7 from competitionmotorsport.com. They were even $200 cheaper than tirerack.com.
Now, how about some skinnies for the front that will clear my CCB's for drag racing? any recommendations? I'm thinking my R7 Hossier rears will launch well, after a decent burnout? |
Originally Posted by Dabigsnake
(Post 1598858604)
Just ordered my set of R7 from competitionmotorsport.com. They were even $200 cheaper than tirerack.com.
Now, how about some skinnies for the front that will clear my CCB's for drag racing? any recommendations? I'm thinking my R7 Hossier rears will launch well, after a decent burnout? |
I believe you are incorrect
Originally Posted by lobsterroboto
(Post 1598248868)
A7's are also really great for time trials. They give you amazing grip for a handful of laps. They'll cycle out pretty quick tho..
Be mindful that the Hoosier sizes are generally larger than normal sizes IE the section widith on a 335/25/20 A/R7 is 14.2 vs 13.5 on the pilot super sport. Also the diameter is 27.1 hoosier vs 26.6 pss The C7 isn't to limiting when it comes to weird size tires once you're in PTM or TC/AH off. fwiw. You can pretty much cram whatever fits on your car. don't shop for tires based on "size" without actually looking at tire specs. you'll have a bad time. ETA: Hoosier tire sizes If I was gonna buy tires for the stupid OEM wheel size for a Z06 or GS I would get Hoosier R7 305/30/20 - 27.1 13.2 vs 26.6 13.5 (PSS) Hoosier R7 295/30/19 - 26.1 11.5 vs 25.8 11.3 (PSS) According to the Hoosier website the section width is 13.2 on the 335 not 14.2 which makes it a no problem over the OEM Michelin SW of 13.5. So I'd go with the 335 instead of the 305. I think your characterization of the 20" wheel is "stupid OEM" is also a bit off. If you want an OEM drag ready car from the factory, buy a demon or similar. |
Originally Posted by bmwpc
(Post 1600826641)
According to the Hoosier website the section width is 13.2 on the 335 not 14.2 which makes it a no problem over the OEM Michelin SW of 13.5. So I'd go with the 335 instead of the 305. I think your characterization of the 20" wheel is "stupid OEM" is also a bit off. If you want an OEM drag ready car from the factory, buy a demon or similar.
I've personally settled with 18x11, 19x13 wheels, and I use 315/30/18 front, 345/30/19 rear R7s for track use. I should note, if I could, I'd rather do 335/30/18 front, but I don't think there's enough clearance up front. These cars seem to perform better as you go larger and larger up front. |
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