DOHC 7.0 is Merc engine SB4 750hp
google ''sb4 merc marine''
or go find the ''march 2019'' issue of ''super chevy'' magazine ,a good read and heads and intake are made by edelbrock both cover the new small block dual over-head cam 750hp crate engine could this be the new GM ZORA c8 engine? https://jalopnik.com/this-750-hp-ls7...l-s-1823828455 http://www.mercuryracing.com/automotive/ https://www.hotrod.com/articles/750-hp-dohc-ls-based-mercury-racing-motor-roadster-shop/ it only make 750hp-560ft lbs of torque at 7500rpm if you need something bigger theres a 9.0 liter that makes 1750hp |
Seems unlikely for CAFE reasons. Earlier leaks show complex TT4.2 and TT5.5 engines in addition to the existing NA6.2. |
Nice engine but I don’t think you’ll find it in the C8. They mention emissions. |
Not a chance.
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Originally Posted by dmaxx3500
(Post 1598687050)
google ''sb4 merc marine''
or go find the ''march 2019'' issue of ''super chevy'' magazine ,a good read and heads and intake are made by edelbrock both cover the new small block dual over-head cam 750hp crate engine could this be the new GM ZORA c8 engine? https://jalopnik.com/this-750-hp-ls7...l-s-1823828455 http://www.mercuryracing.com/automotive/ https://www.hotrod.com/articles/750-hp-dohc-ls-based-mercury-racing-motor-roadster-shop/ it only make 750hp-560ft lbs of torque at 7500rpm if you need something bigger theres a 9.0 liter that makes 1750hp IIRC it started life off as an ls7 block that they modified for the heads. Intake design emulates that of the original LT5. Very cool project but I doubt gm would go out of house again. Plus the 1350/1750 is absolutely gigantic. |
the 9.0 is a ''VERY'' large even bigger type of the BBC[but nothing but a few bolts from a BBC fit]
this sb4 eng [ive seen it run and driven 1 in a twin eng boat] ,was supposed to be an over the counter add-on 6-8 years ago,then it faded away for a couple and came back as a new boat eng,and was put in a car as a design study,then somebody at GM saw it kind of cool that edelbrock is casting the heads and intakes, these are emissions ready,no matter what you read |
A number of us from Chicagoland w C4 ZR-1s drove up to Fond du Lac to visit w the people at Mercury Racing. We saw the facilities and watched them as they built a QC4V. Monster motor. But clearly had the LT-5 heritage w improvements. We had 10 ZR-1s there and the guys at MMR brought their “toys” out also. Then we visited the MMR museum where a 95 ZR-1 was proudly displayed among all the other MMR memorabilia. Fun day. They do amazing work up there and they know their sh*t. |
I met one of the engineers who designed the double overhead cam small block at SEMA. I was really surprised at how few people they had to design the engine, only two or three guys as I recall. He really knew his engines. Very talented.
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Originally Posted by dmaxx3500
(Post 1598687387)
the 9.0 is a ''VERY'' large even bigger type of the BBC[but nothing but a few bolts from a BBC fit]
this sb4 eng [ive seen it run and driven 1 in a twin eng boat] ,was supposed to be an over the counter add-on 6-8 years ago,then it faded away for a couple and came back as a new boat eng,and was put in a car as a design study,then somebody at GM saw it kind of cool that edelbrock is casting the heads and intakes, these are emissions ready,no matter what you read I didn't know they ran the sb4 in the boats. Wonder what kind of fuel they were running? Unless it had modified tuning and compression or something like that. Unless times have changed. Last race engines are now approaching 20 years old so... |
Originally Posted by 84 4+3
(Post 1598688493)
Was the 9.0l based around the 496 architecture? That I don't recall. Yes it is huge though. And really heavy.
I didn't know they ran the sb4 in the boats. Wonder what kind of fuel they were running? Unless it had modified tuning and compression or something like that. Unless times have changed. Last race engines are now approaching 20 years old so... |
Originally Posted by NY09C6
(Post 1598688635)
No, the 1350’s and up use a merc marine designed block and heads. It shares nothing in common with BBC engines. They are massive. And I've stood next to them. They are gigantic. And they sound gigantic in the staging area for the offshore races too lol. They weigh something like 1000+ each no? |
Yes probably. The 496, 525, 600, 700 are all BBC based engines. |
Originally Posted by Michael A
(Post 1598687622)
I met one of the engineers who designed the double overhead cam small block at SEMA. I was really surprised at how few people they had to design the engine, only two or three guys as I recall. He really knew his engines. Very talented.
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Originally Posted by 84 4+3
(Post 1598688493)
Was the 9.0l based around the 496 architecture? That I don't recall. Yes it is huge though. And really heavy.
I didn't know they ran the sb4 in the boats. Wonder what kind of fuel they were running? Unless it had modified tuning and compression or something like that. Unless times have changed. Last race engines are now approaching 20 years old so... sb4 is their smaller boat eng,about $30k each,they are the same as the crate car eng and ran on reg gas,,merc is trying to go their own way on eng's |
Originally Posted by Shaka
(Post 1598689161)
What small block?
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Originally Posted by NY09C6
(Post 1598689502)
merc along with lotus developed the lt5 dohc engine in the c4 zr1. They also recently built the SB4 dohc engine but this is based on the ls7 block. It was not a complete engine design. I put 5000 miles on my ZR1 in Europe and got 180 mph on a daily basis. |
Originally Posted by dmaxx3500
(Post 1598689356)
9.0 is a whole MERC built eng,nothing BBC in it
sb4 is their smaller boat eng,about $30k each,they are the same as the crate car eng and ran on reg gas,,merc is trying to go their own way on eng's I'm not seeing anywhere where it mentions marine usage? Only the n/a 6.0 is in the slot where the sb4 would be. Unless they don't have it on their website yet? |
Originally Posted by 84 4+3
(Post 1598690226)
That sounds right. I know that they have been going that way for a while now too. They did that 4.5 v6 last year was it? I'd imagine the stuff dad saw at lake x was the M drive prototypes. The time line is right. Late 90s or so. Stuff he worked on was the blackhawks. Way before LS was a dream.
I'm not seeing anywhere where it mentions marine usage? Only the n/a 6.0 is in the slot where the sb4 would be. Unless they don't have it on their website yet? |
Originally Posted by joetigger66
(Post 1598693851)
I thought I had read an article about a car that has had the Gen 3 LT5 in it. Either way the specs on that engine were going to be crazy. I love the MM ID tag on those LT5's, way ahead of their time and man they really run!
You pay for that mercury racing/marine badge on an engine but for the most part, it's going to work. The companies roots are in racing and engineering. There is a reason kiekhaefer had well over 200 parents. (And won back to back nascar titles...) and everyone worked for him at one point lol. There is an old story, goes something like this. During mercury setting the endurance record for an outboard at lake x, kiekhaefer was changing spark plugs on the outboard. He used nothing more than a wrench. One of the engineers told him he should torque the plug to spec. His response was "check it." And as the story goes, the rest is history. :rofl: |
The 3rd Gen LT-5, of which only two prototypes were “built” currently resides in a 1993 Anniversary ZR OWNED BY Ken Lingenfelter and now part of his extensive collection. It uses the modified 3Gen heads. The 3G LT-5 was also supposed to have a form of VVT but there was no way of creating that cam profile and valvetrain for this build. It eliminated the secondary throttles and injectors. Its been dyno’d to 475chp w potential to go to 525+ chp from a 5.7L motor. So sad GM abandoned this architecture but its the same story w GM over an over again. They abandon stuff just as its coming together, ie the Fiero. |
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