C8 2021 thoughts & a shipping story!
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TBD - To Be Determined for the order dates ending and starting the 2019 and 2020 C7, respectively. No reference AT ALL for the C8.
Facts: An increase in power for the LT1 is well past due and the problematic A8 transmission should have been phased out years ago. Meanwhile, buyers are demanding more ZR1s and manual trans buyers are not happy about the C8. Bottom line: A refreshed, re-styled C7 with more power and the A10 is just around the corner; reveal date - TBD. |
Originally Posted by OnPoint
(Post 1598781579)
Rick - good to see you back on your feet.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
(Post 1598782165)
TBD - To Be Determined for the order dates ending and starting the 2019 and 2020 C7, respectively. No reference AT ALL for the C8.
Facts: An increase in power for the LT1 is well past due and the problematic A8 transmission should have been phased out years ago. Meanwhile, buyers are demanding more ZR1s and manual trans buyers are not happy about the C8. Bottom line: A refreshed, re-styled C7 with more power and the A10 is just around the corner; reveal date - TBD. |
Originally Posted by PCMIII
(Post 1598782165)
TBD - To Be Determined for the order dates ending and starting the 2019 and 2020 C7, respectively. No reference AT ALL for the C8.
Facts: An increase in power for the LT1 is well past due and the problematic A8 transmission should have been phased out years ago. Meanwhile, buyers are demanding more ZR1s and manual trans buyers are not happy about the C8. Bottom line: A refreshed, re-styled C7 with more power and the A10 is just around the corner; reveal date - TBD. 2. A refresh costs a lot of money, I doubt it will occur for the one or two years tops the C7 has left. 3. As for an HP bump. Hmmm If the ME car is going to use the LT1 in the base and if it gets a kick to 500HP, why not put it in the C7 for a limited time? Interesting. |
Originally Posted by RickConti@Coughlin
(Post 1598781547)
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Originally Posted by roadbike56
(Post 1598783248)
1. No way an A10. Tadge has stated and it's been on these forums the A10 will not fit in the C7 frame. Period, done.
2. A refresh costs a lot of money, I doubt it will occur for the one or two years tops the C7 has left. 3. As for an HP bump. Hmmm If the ME car is going to use the LT1 in the base and if it gets a kick to 500HP, why not put it in the C7 for a limited time? Interesting. 2. NOBODY at GM or Corvette has said ANYTHING about when C7 will end. Ever wonder why? Hmmm, could be there is no end date. 3. LT1 should easily be able to get to 500 and since there is NO C8 for the foreseeable future, putting it in the C7 is a no-brainer. |
500 HP base C8 would be disappointing
After waiting this long for a C8 model and having had 460 HP since 2014 in a base Stingray and 707 in a base Hellcat since 2015, am I the only one who would be very underwhelmed with just a 40 HP bump after 6 years and a whole new gen vehicle? I think the base C8 better be closer to 525 or 550 HP to justify six years of spikes in HP at Dodge, Ford and hell even Camaros. |
Originally Posted by Sub Driver
(Post 1598782987)
I don't think you understand what "facts" mean. You just listed opinions. I highly doubt the C7 will get the A10 or a refresh.
It is not a fact that the LT1, which began 6 years ago with the same HP, is overdue for a power upgrade? Are you familiar with the C6 history? It is not a fact that the A8 has been problematic for 5 years? Do you disagree that manual trans buyers are unhappy with the C8 transmission options? Those are all well documented facts. If you have some facts to refute them, please provide your evidence. |
Originally Posted by PCMIII
(Post 1598783415)
1. A10 fits just fine, as Tadge pointed out in the video at BGA, the transmission has NO STRUCTURE around it and the A10 is so compact, it fits in the "same space" as the A8, according to official GM media. Case closed.
2. NOBODY at GM or Corvette has said ANYTHING about when C7 will end. Ever wonder why? Hmmm, could be there is no end date. 3. LT1 should easily be able to get to 500 and since there is NO C8 for the foreseeable future, putting it in the C7 is a no-brainer. |
Originally Posted by Nadovedan
(Post 1598785734)
A10 doesnt fit or they would've put in the zr1. Please provide the link that states otherwise. Tadge at BGA shows that there is no structure around the C7 transmission that just bolts directly to the rear axle, at 2:00 minute mark. Quote from GM media: "A unique triple-clutch assembly in the middle of the 10-speed’s architecture is a primary enabler for packaging 10-speed content in the same space as GM’s six- and eight-speed transmissions." https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/...0speed-gm.html You are welcome. |
Originally Posted by PCMIII
(Post 1598785774)
Here you go:
Tadge at BGA shows that there is no structure around the C7 transmission that just bolts directly to the rear axle, at 2:00 minute mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfi1TbT5BGU&t=218s Quote from GM media: "A unique triple-clutch assembly in the middle of the 10-speed’s architecture is a primary enabler for packaging 10-speed content in the same space as GM’s six- and eight-speed transmissions." https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/...0speed-gm.html You are welcome. The A10 probably could have been made to work, with a new case, input and output shafts, torque tube and driveshaft, and a bunch of testing. There's a possibility that the engineers didn't find that transmission to be enough of an advantage to make all that worth doing. You can do anything with enough time and money but it’s not worth it. Still doesn’t fit when you have to redesign the whole driveline architecture. |
Originally Posted by Nadovedan
(Post 1598786513)
"The Corvette keeps the seven-speed manual, but buyers can also choose an automatic for the first time in a ZR1 with GM’s eight-speed with paddle-shift. There was speculation the model could receive GM’s new 10-speed co-developed with Ford, but Juechter said that unit doesn’t fit the Corvette architecture and was never designed to. Instead, they updated the eight-speed to shift faster." The A10 probably could have been made to work, with a new case, input and output shafts, torque tube and driveshaft, and a bunch of testing. There's a possibility that the engineers didn't find that transmission to be enough of an advantage to make all that worth doing. You can do anything with enough time and money but it’s not worth it. Still doesn’t fit when you have to redesign the whole driveline architecture. Unfortunately, the 8A has well known flaws while the 10A functions well across many vehicles. Adding the 10A option to the base Stingray or Grand Sport is a no-brainer and it costs less than the 8A based on the Camaro ZL1. |
Originally Posted by Nadovedan
(Post 1598786513)
"The Corvette keeps the seven-speed manual, but buyers can also choose an automatic for the first time in a ZR1 with GM’s eight-speed with paddle-shift. There was speculation the model could receive GM’s new 10-speed co-developed with Ford, but Juechter said that unit doesn’t fit the Corvette architecture and was never designed to. Instead, they updated the eight-speed to shift faster." The A10 probably could have been made to work, with a new case, input and output shafts, torque tube and driveshaft, and a bunch of testing. There's a possibility that the engineers didn't find that transmission to be enough of an advantage to make all that worth doing. You can do anything with enough time and money but it’s not worth it. Still doesn’t fit when you have to redesign the whole driveline architecture. |
Originally Posted by PCMIII
(Post 1598786588)
Does the ZR1 need the 10 speed with 755 hp? Obviously not, so why spend any money to do it?
Unfortunately, the 8A has well known flaws while the 10A functions well across many vehicles. Adding the 10A option to the base Stingray or Grand Sport is a no-brainer and it costs less than the 8A based on the Camaro ZL1. |
C8 Delay
Have now heard several reasons for the C8 Intro Delay from credible sources. First is the well discussed electrical problem. Now I have heard they didn't have the Aerodynamics right. That would also explain the abrupt stop at Nurburgring. Might explain why several versions of spoiler and quasi wing have been seen. Massive side scoops can play in this as well. Fixing Aero may be a significant delay.
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