C8 the last Corvette with and ICE drivetrain?
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Originally Posted by 427Z0SX
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Depends on advancements in battery technology. It is said that the unreleased 2020 Tesla Roadster has a 200 kWh battery with a 620 mile range. 1.9 0-60, 8.8 1/4 mile. The battery is large to make the power, but it also allows for an extremely long range.
If this technology paired with faster superchargers is deployed to other models by 2022, then things will begin to change. As a Model 3 Performance owner, I understand that the future is 90% electric when it comes to personal vehicles. I am assuming there may be some use cases where an electric vehicle just won't do, but this vehicle is silent, very fast, cheap to fuel, and requires zero reoccurring maintenance. |
Originally Posted by Chrisrokc
(Post 1598831688)
I understand that the future is 90% electric when it comes to personal vehicles. I am assuming there may be some use cases where an electric vehicle just won't do, but this vehicle is silent, very fast, cheap to fuel, and requires zero reoccurring maintenance.
The future is bleak for people who want sexy transportation. |
Never happen. Take a look at Tesla Model3 sales - they are out of US buyers for the top trim level cars. No waiting list. In fact there are 6800 of them in stock, there was a 2 year waiting list not so long ago. The early adopters have been exhausted, at least those who want to pay $60K for a $35K car. Electric cars aren't going to be as popular as people think - the only way to get people to buy them, is to force them to purchase them through government regulation and taxation.
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Originally Posted by MitchAlsup
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The future is great for [people who want transportation
The future is bleak for people who want sexy transportation. https://electrek.co/2019/02/04/volks...rm-automakers/ I just hope we get an electric assisted, all electric Corvette before it is said and done. |
Originally Posted by Chrisrokc
(Post 1598831688)
Depends on advancements in battery technology. It is said that the unreleased 2020 Tesla Roadster has a 200 kWh battery with a 620 mile range. 1.9 0-60, 8.8 1/4 mile. The battery is large to make the power, but it also allows for an extremely long range.
If this technology paired with faster superchargers is deployed to other models by 2022, then things will begin to change. As a Model 3 Performance owner, I understand that the future is 90% electric when it comes to personal vehicles. I am assuming there may be some use cases where an electric vehicle just won't do, but this vehicle is silent, very fast, cheap to fuel, and requires zero reoccurring maintenance. |
Originally Posted by Sub Driver
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But it doesn't say how long in the future that will be just that the electric vehicles they do build will not be profitable for 10 years. ICE vehicles will still be around for a long time.
We already have the infrastructure to supply gasoline to all the vehicles we will build in the next 10 years, as well as all the plants to build all those ICE vehicles. Why waste 255 billion + dollars to get to where we already are? |
Until battery tech changes I don’t think electric will gain wide adoption unless forced to. People will just hold on to their ice cars longer. It needs to be just as convenient to charge either by changing out batteries or making the charge take 5 mins. That could take decades to achieve. Not sure what the cost of cars will become with batteries that use rare earth minerals. We would need to find a cheap alternative otherwise no one will be able to afford to own a car. It sometimes feels like we are going backward in time economically with with what people can afford nowadays |
Originally Posted by JoesC5
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It has also been reported that the auto companies will spend 255 billion dollars on bringing "new" EV's to market in the next 5-10 years. That doesn't count the massive amount of dollars required to bring new infrastructure on line(I understand that it's $100,000 for each Supercharger location) to feed all those EV's. We already have gas stations all over the US(over 100,000 of them).
We already have the infrastructure to supply gasoline to all the vehicles we will build in the next 10 years, as well as all the plants to build all those ICE vehicles. Why waste 255 billion + dollars to get to where we already are? |
Originally Posted by Demnos
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Until battery tech changes I don’t think electric will gain wide adoption unless forced to. People will just hold on to their ice cars longer. It needs to be just as convenient to charge either by changing out batteries or making the charge take 5 mins. That could take decades to achieve. Not sure what the cost of cars will become with batteries that use rare earth minerals. We would need to find a cheap alternative otherwise no one will be able to afford to own a car. It sometimes feels like we are going backward in time economically with with what people can afford nowadays |
Originally Posted by Demnos
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I can understand needing alternate fuels. Oil is a relatively limited resource. Based on some oil industry studies there is supposed to be something like 50 or so years worth of oil reserves at our present consumption level (using existing drilling technology). This is assuming we don’t find any more massive oil reserves and that drilling technology doesn’t advance to the point where it would be profitable to get to oil that is too hard to get to right now. So gas is going away whether we like it or not and it is a matter of getting in front of the issue to find the next fuel source. Infrastructure will take decades to transition so the next big thing really needs to be determined in the next 20 or so years. What percentage of the US's electricity is supplied by nuclear, solar, wind and hydro? Do you believe that that percentage will be at 100% in the next 10 years to fuel all those wonderful EV's. Point is that changing form gasoline to coal and natural gas to fuel our cars isn't really going to solve any problems, just waste a lot of money duplicating what we already have. Want cleaner air this year, then take the wasted 255 billion+++++ dollars and make current cars cheaper, so more people will buy them to replace their older cars that are not as efficient. |
Sure, I paid a premium for the performance. It isn’t any different than buying the base BMW 3 Series vs the M3.
As for the doubt on EVs. Let me dredge this thread up in 6-9 years. |
Originally Posted by Chrisrokc
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Sure, I paid a premium for the performance. It isn’t any different than buying the base BMW 3 Series vs the M3.
As for the doubt on EVs. Let me dredge this thread up in 6-9 years. |
It’s inevitable that that the ICE will go the way of the horse and buggy. In what time frame is certainly debatable. It will be a combination of regulation and innovation that drives this evolution. Having driven a Tesla S P100 with its 500 HP euqivalent and almost matching torque, I was impressed with its launch and driveability, but I was as disappointed in the quietness of the cabin but I just turned up the music. Missed the V8 roar. I suspect once GM fully ocmmits to this project, Mary will be able to develop the alternative fueled vehicles much more cost effectively than Tesla, or even GMs Bolt, justness because of the scale of the commitment and the existing capabilities. Remember, Tesla started from scratch The impediment to alternate fuel vehicles, both electric or hydrogen, is the lack of recharging/refueling networks. Building that network will be a much larger challenge than designing and building the cars. |
It's not gonna happen. As has already been said battery tech is maybe half as good as it needs to be. |
EVs are already having an effect on oil prices. Gasoline is currently at late sixties prices after factoring for inflation. Anyone want to buy an oil well?
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Originally Posted by roadbike56
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EVs are already having an effect on oil prices. Gasoline is currently at late sixties prices after factoring for inflation. Anyone want to buy an oil well?
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Very poorly written article. Tesla is profitable, because they sell EV credits to other manufacturers.
EVs make for expensive commuter cars. Long charging times make them impractical for anything else. The laws of physics limit how fast EVs can charge. I don't see a future with the public horsing around with charging cables big enough to carry 1500 amps. I also don't see batteries lasting with that high of a charge rate, or even staying cool for that matter. GM is working with Honda on making hydrogen fuel cells. With fill-up times and driving ranges already similar to gasoline cars, in my opinion, there is a lot more potential with fuel cell EVs taking the place of gasoline driven cars. |
Originally Posted by nyca
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The Tesla order book for the model3 (in the US) has collapsed - they just lowered the price another $1100 today. China and EU deliveries will keep them going for some time, and those are forced/subsidized markets. And the ModelY coming for the US will help, although rumor is the base price is $49K which is steep for a CUV that competes with the Mazda CX5/Hyundai Tucson class. But for the model3 in the US, the peak has passed and the fall off is steep. If Tesla can't sell mass market EVs, GM and VW can't for sure. The early adopter phase always looks good - waiting lists, etc. Means very little.
Has he announced that the US plant where they will be built is increasing production by 3,000 a week to make that happen? NO. They are just diverting 3,000 Model 3's a week to Europe because there is little demand for them in the US. he can only hope to make a profit by selling $35,000 Model 3's for $50,000. I believe that the very little demand for the Model 3 is from those that were expecting a true $35,000 Model 3 les the $7,500 "gift" from the American taxpayer. Musk can't afford to sell the Model 3 with a MSRP of $27,500 which many people that signed up for the Model 3, were expecting. Cutting prices and laying off people is not a sign that demand exceeds supply as the EV(especially Tesla) lovers want you to believe. No demand for the Bolt, or the Leaf either in the US. Then there are the remaining eight BEV brands sold in the US. last year. Those eight brands sold a total of less than 8,000 cars, during the whole fucking 12 months of 2018. Yet the EV lovers keep yelling at the top of their voices that EVERYONE wants an EV because they are the greatest invention of mankind, but those EV lovers say the reason EVERYONE does not buy an BEV is because there is a huge shortage of BEV's for sale in the US. Ain't so folks. https://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt...ied-twice-why/ |
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