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Mike65 02-16-2019 06:46 PM

Swap 3:36 unit for a 3:70 unit
 
If I decide to swap my 3:36 differential unit for a 3:70 differential unit would that be a direct bolt on?


Thanks

Mike

Vette5311 02-16-2019 06:55 PM

Year of car? Trans type?

Mike65 02-16-2019 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by Vette5311 (Post 1598891719)
Year of car? Trans type?

65 Coupe with a M20 close ratio trans.

Vette5311 02-16-2019 07:00 PM

Should not be a problem unless u joint size is different. I don't think it is. The close ratio trans will like the 3.70 a lot better.

68hemi 02-16-2019 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Mike65 (Post 1598891677)
If I decide to swap my 3:36 differential unit for a 3:70 differential unit would that be a direct bolt on?


Thanks

Mike

They use the same carrier so it will fit without a problem. However, if you go any lower you would have to switch carriers.

GTOguy 02-16-2019 07:03 PM

M20 is a wide ratio gearbox.....3.36 is a much better gear most of the time if the car sees any freeway use.

Mike65 02-16-2019 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by Vette5311 (Post 1598891754)
Should not be a problem unless u joint size is different. I don't think it is. The close ratio trans will like the 3.70 a lot better.

Thanks for the reply Vette5311! That's what I was thinking as well.

68hemi 02-16-2019 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by GTOguy (Post 1598891777)
M20 is a wide ratio gearbox.....3.36 is a much better gear most of the time if the car sees any freeway use.

That is true but most people are changing to a 3.70 or more low end grunt. The wide ratio gearbox that comes with the smaller h.p. cars std. also have a deeper 1st gear so it amplifies the stump pulling take off.

Mike65 02-16-2019 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 68hemi (Post 1598891770)
They use the same carrier so it will fit without a problem. However, if you go any lower you would have to switch carriers.

Thanks for the reply 68hemi. I wouldn't go any lower than a 3:70...I have a 3:73 in my 68 Camaro and I really like that combo.

Mike65 02-16-2019 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by 68hemi (Post 1598891798)
That is true but most people are changing to a 3.70 or more low end grunt. The wide ratio gearbox that comes with the smaller h.p. cars std. also have a deeper 1st gear so it amplifies the stump pulling take off.

I forgot to mention I have the L76 365 horse motor. I do believe I have the close ratio trans.

68hemi 02-16-2019 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by Mike65 (Post 1598891825)
I forgot to mention I have the L76 365 horse motor. I do believe I have the close ratio shifter.

If it is still the original trans then yes it would be the close ratio and another good reason to go with 370 gears. You will like the combination.

Mike65 02-16-2019 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by 68hemi (Post 1598891841)
If it is still the original trans then yes it would be the close ratio and another good reason to go with 370 gears. You will like the combination.

Yes sir, it is the original trans.

68hemi 02-16-2019 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Mike65 (Post 1598891873)
Yes sir, it is the original trans.

Not many 365 h.p. Cars sold with anything less than 3.70 gears, the close ratio trans has a taller 1st gear and you really need 3.70s or lower to realize the full potential of that engine.:thumbs:

Mike65 02-16-2019 07:37 PM

UOTE=68hemi;1598891902]Not many 365 h.p. Cars sold with anything less than 3.70 gears, the close ratio trans has a taller 1st gear and you really need 3.70s or lower to realize the full potential of that engine.:thumbs:[/QUOTE]
I agree. The dealer I bought car from told me it has the 3:36 gear. I just bought the car in December so maybe I should verify it actually has the 3:36.

Mike (Naples) 02-16-2019 07:50 PM

I just did the identical swap a couple weeks ago. I have a T56 Magnum with a 2.66 first gear and the 3.70 still makes a huge difference taking off from a dead stop. I swapped the entire differential, and it was quick and easy.

Mike65 02-16-2019 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by Mike (Naples) (Post 1598892055)
I just did the identical swap a couple weeks ago. I have a T56 Magnum with a 2.66 first gear and the 3.70 still makes a huge difference taking off from a dead stop. I swapped the entire differential, and it was quick and easy.

Thanks for the reply Mike. The vendor that I am thinking about buying the differential unit from is asking If I have a 3 3/4 or the 4 1/4 yoke. Do you know the yoke size?

Railroadman 02-16-2019 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by Mike65 (Post 1598891825)
I do believe I have the close ratio shifter.

Close RATIO or wide RATIO refers to the gearing of the transmission itself. I think what you are getting at is that you have the shifter adjusted for the short-throw setting. The lever does not travel as far forward or back as when it's in the long-throw holes. Is that right? :cheers:

Mike65 02-16-2019 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Railroadman (Post 1598892302)
Close RATIO or wide RATIO refers to the gearing of the transmission itself. I think what you are getting at is that you have the shifter adjusted for the short-throw setting. The lever does not travel as far forward or back as when it's in the long-throw holes. Is that right? :cheers:

The close ratio 4 speed muncie had a 1st gear 2:20 and the wide ratio Muncie had a first gear of 2:56 (L75). The L76, L78,L79 & L84 had the close ratio Muncie trans.

Railroadman 02-16-2019 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by Mike65 (Post 1598892365)
The close ratio 4 speed muncie had a 1st gear 2:20 and the wide ratio Muncie had a first gear of 2:56 (L75). The L76, L78,L79 & L84 had the close ratio Muncie trans.

Right. I was addressing your statement you had the close ratio shifter. The shifter has no idea which transmission it is bolted to, and the stock shifter is the same for either close or wide ratio.

Mike65 02-16-2019 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by Railroadman (Post 1598892410)
Right. I was addressing your statement you had the close ratio shifter. The shifter has no idea which transmission it is bolted to, and the stock shifter is the same for either close or wide ratio.

Yes Sir. Thanks for the reply. My beer assistant is in over drive right now.


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