C5 Intermitted starting issue
Howdy, ive got a 1999 base model, with an LS2 in it. I bought the car this way so im not 100% sure about the details of the swap, but ive read a bit about people that have done it before and they say it runs fine with the original ECU. Anyway, the car starts randomly, sometimes it fires right up first crank other times it will just crank and crank until you stop and try again. sometimes it back fires. Mostly i have to try to start it 3-6 times, turning the key all the way off and trying again. Once running it runs great, does not stall or anything.
Hoping someone has run into this problem before and it isnt related to the swap :confused2: Any input would be appreciated, Thanks |
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Look up 2 threads from this one !!...sounds similar to what you're experiencing...no ??
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Just because the engine cranks does NOT mean that the voltage is adequate to keep the C5 electronics happy. Measure the voltage across the battery posts. Needs to be greater than 12.5V. At 12.5 or less the engine may start but thr electronics are NOT going to be happy. Charge the battery fully. A good battery at full charge will measure 12.7 to 12.9 volts or more measured at the battery posts using a digital multimeter.
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Originally Posted by 73Corvette
(Post 1598912647)
Just because the engine cranks does NOT mean that the voltage is adequate to keep the C5 electronics happy. Measure the voltage across the battery posts. Needs to be greater than 12.5V. At 12.5 or less the engine may start but thr electronics are NOT going to be happy. Charge the battery fully. A good battery at full charge will measure 12.7 to 12.9 volts or more measured at the battery posts using a digital multimeter.
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Yes !!....the cars electronics are very fussy about voltage....ignition relay 42 takes a beating during a "cold start" of the engine...the C5 coil packs draw up to 10 amps each so we're talking almost 80 amps or so plus maybe 8 amps for the injectors !! ...during cranking you can do a voltage drop not just across the battery terminals but across the relay...you can hook the multi meters red lead to battery positive and the negative test lead to one of 2 test points on top of INJ 1 or INJ 2 fuses....crank the engine and read the voltage drop...should not be more than .2-.3 volts...you will also need to determine if you are getting spark AND injector pulse !!
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Ignition Switch
Mine would crank but not start. After wasting 2 months diagnosing I replaced the Ignition Switch, Car started right up. Its a PITA to rip dash apart but it was necessary to fix my car.
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Since it was a swap, you might want to check ground connections to the engine, the one ground connection to the cylinder head might have not been made or maybe was left loose after the swap.
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Originally Posted by 73Corvette
(Post 1598912647)
Just because the engine cranks does NOT mean that the voltage is adequate to keep the C5 electronics happy. Measure the voltage across the battery posts. Needs to be greater than 12.5V. At 12.5 or less the engine may start but thr electronics are NOT going to be happy. Charge the battery fully. A good battery at full charge will measure 12.7 to 12.9 volts or more measured at the battery posts using a digital multimeter.
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Originally Posted by bighank
(Post 1598913621)
Mine would crank but not start. After wasting 2 months diagnosing I replaced the Ignition Switch, Car started right up. Its a PITA to rip dash apart but it was necessary to fix my car.
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Originally Posted by mmartinez
(Post 1598913641)
Since it was a swap, you might want to check ground connections to the engine, the one ground connection to the cylinder head might have not been made or maybe was left loose after the swap.
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As far as "people that have done it before with the original ECU"....It will not run fine but probably not at all if that "original" LS1 PCM is installed in an LS2 engine without some mods....the LS1 uses a 24X crankshaft reluctor wheel and an LS2 uses a 58 !!...your LS2 should have a 24X installed with the 99's PCM or some type of "ignition controller" if it has a 58X.
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Originally Posted by C5 Diag
(Post 1598915045)
As far as "people that have done it before with the original ECU"....It will not run fine but probably not at all if that "original" LS1 PCM is installed in an LS2 engine without some mods....the LS1 uses a 24X crankshaft reluctor wheel and an LS2 uses a 58 !!...your LS2 should have a 24X installed with the 99's PCM or some type of "ignition controller" if it has a 58X.
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Originally Posted by Mashore111
(Post 1598915295)
What I was told was in this motor is. ls2 block with Ls1 crank Ls6 heads and manifold Ls9 cams. So I guess it’s rockin the 24x then and that’s why she’s running?
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Originally Posted by C5 Diag
(Post 1598915322)
Then you're golden !!....see if you have Tach movement (ignition pulse) when it cranks....see whether you are missing spark, fuel pressure/injector pulse or BOTH (crank sensor issue) !!
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Update*
The battery is now fresh with sufficient volts and the problem persists. |
Originally Posted by Mashore111
(Post 1598916220)
Update*
The battery is now fresh with sufficient volts and the problem persists. |
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