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mchar 03-13-2019 10:44 PM

AND NOW - HOw do those Jet engines REVERSE upon landing?
 
I know some planes have those shields that re- direct flow to brake.
I see now the Jet Engines go in Reverse.
'Splain me that -
example -3:20 a 747 landing -

Corvette Kid 03-13-2019 10:52 PM

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flange 03-13-2019 10:53 PM

the engine doesn't go backwords. they open a form of waste gate which bypasses sending the air out the back of the jet and reroutes it out the sides. this sortof blocks the thrust creating a wall to block forward motion and slowing the plane. im no plane go so im sure I didn't get terminology right and the experts will be along soon.

chiefttp 03-13-2019 11:00 PM

Mchar,
it’s actually very simple, once the plane lands there is a “weight on wheels” switch that unlocks the reverse thrust mechanism. In the cockpit, there is a small set of levers forward of the larger thrust levers. When we land the aircraft, the weight on wheels switch unlocks the thrust reverser. They don’t deploy until the pilot grabs the small set of levers in front of the larger thrust levers and pulls the reverse thrust levers backwards. When we deploy the reverse thrust, it doesn’t actually reverse the thrust a lot, but it does redirect the forward thrust out the sides of the engines through those doors that become exposed as the cowling transits rearward. Modern turbofan engines put out a lot of thrust, even at idle, so by redirecting thrust out the sides instead of the back, we reduce the forward momentum the engines provide, as we attempt to slow the jet down.
On a normal landing, the process of stopping the jet is provided by a few systems working in conjunction and sequentially with each other. The normal sequence is once the plane touches down, the speed brake/ground spoilers deploy (small flaps on the top of the wing. They cause the wing to dump lift. By dumping the lift the weight of the aircraft falls on to the landing gear/ tires where the real braking force is applied. the next step is the thrust reversers are deployed to kill any residual forward thrust supplied by the now idled engines, then the brakes are applied in a smooth constant application. At approximately 80 knots we usually start retracting the reverser and continue braking until the aircraft is at a safe taxi speed. Once off the runway the spoilers are retracted. If you watch the video you will see this sequence.

Knooger 03-13-2019 11:00 PM

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mchar 03-13-2019 11:03 PM

We have seen those "shields" go down behind the engine upon landing, and maybe the cap gives it even more thrust which could be braking or reverse thrust..
I have no idea.

flange 03-13-2019 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by Knooger (Post 1599041357)

plane guy, get over it. :leaving:

2019GSTX 03-13-2019 11:05 PM

Aft part of the cowling slides, thrust reverser has blocker doors so air from the fan goes out the gap you see in the cowling rather than out the back.
‘Old style was the clamshell and u could get those to reverse a plane given u used enuff throttle.

mchar 03-13-2019 11:06 PM

If I'm not mistaken I was correct. If I am mistaken, it's just another normal day!


Mchar,
it’s actually very simple, once the plane lands there is a “weight on wheels” switch that unlocks the reverse thrust mechanism. In the cockpit, there is a small set of levers forward of the larger thrust levers. When we land the aircraft, the weight on wheels switch unlocks the thrust reverser. They don’t deploy until the pilot grabs the small set of levers in front of the larger thrust levers and pulls the reverse thrust levers backwards. When we deploy the reverse thrust, it doesn’t actually reverse the thrust a lot, but it does redirect the forward thrust out the sides of the engines through those doors that become exposed as the cowling transits rearward. Modern turbofan engines put out a lot of thrust, even at idle, so by redirecting thrust out the sides instead of the back, we reduce the forward momentum the engines provide, as we attempt to slow the jet down.
On a normal landing, the process of stopping the jet is provided by a few systems working in conjunction and sequentially with each other. The normal sequence is once the plane touches down, the speed brake/ground spoilers deploy (small flaps on the top of the wing. They cause the wing to dump lift. By dumping the lift the weight of the aircraft falls on to the tires., the next step is the thrust reverser are deployed to kill any residual forward thrust supplied by the now idled engines, then the brakes are depressed in a smooth constant application. At approximately 80 knots we usually start retracting the reverser and continue braking until the aircraft is at a safe taxi speed. Once off the runway the spoilers are retracted. If you watch the video you will see this sequence.

Knooger 03-13-2019 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by flange (Post 1599041367)
plane guy, get over it. :leaving:

I'm just now getting over the fake mouse drawn ellipse you polluted one of my threads with. It'll be a while before I can get over this one. :leaving:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...b944c70efe.gif

mchar 03-13-2019 11:08 PM

I would be a Fantastic 747 Pilot. "What's This Red Button For?" would be the planes' last words...

jcsperson 03-13-2019 11:27 PM

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Meh 03-14-2019 12:44 AM


grandpawmoses 03-14-2019 06:47 AM

Don't believe a word they say. It's a well known fact that there's a "reverse" gear on their transmission.

ToolMaker427 03-14-2019 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by grandpawmoses (Post 1599041967)
Don't believe a word they say. It's a well known fact that there's a "reverse" gear on their transmission.

...and to use it, one must double clutch! :smash:

slewfoot1956 03-14-2019 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by chiefttp (Post 1599041354)
Mchar,
it’s actually very simple, once the plane lands there is a “weight on wheels” switch that unlocks the reverse thrust mechanism. In the cockpit, there is a small set of levers forward of the larger thrust levers. When we land the aircraft, the weight on wheels switch unlocks the thrust reverser. They don’t deploy until the pilot grabs the small set of levers in front of the larger thrust levers and pulls the reverse thrust levers backwards. When we deploy the reverse thrust, it doesn’t actually reverse the thrust a lot, but it does redirect the forward thrust out the sides of the engines through those doors that become exposed as the cowling transits rearward. Modern turbofan engines put out a lot of thrust, even at idle, so by redirecting thrust out the sides instead of the back, we reduce the forward momentum the engines provide, as we attempt to slow the jet down.
On a normal landing, the process of stopping the jet is provided by a few systems working in conjunction and sequentially with each other. The normal sequence is once the plane touches down, the speed brake/ground spoilers deploy (small flaps on the top of the wing. They cause the wing to dump lift. By dumping the lift the weight of the aircraft falls on to the landing gear/ tires where the real braking force is applied. the next step is the thrust reversers are deployed to kill any residual forward thrust supplied by the now idled engines, then the brakes are applied in a smooth constant application. At approximately 80 knots we usually start retracting the reverser and continue braking until the aircraft is at a safe taxi speed. Once off the runway the spoilers are retracted. If you watch the video you will see this sequence.


Great explanation and simplified. I did not know this.

carsangelop 03-14-2019 07:00 AM

Same with a jet ski Reverse is accomplished by deflecting thrust forward

RMVette 03-14-2019 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by slewfoot1956 (Post 1599041994)
Great explanation and simplified.

:iagree: :thumbs:

VatorMan 03-14-2019 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by chiefttp (Post 1599041354)
Mchar,
it’s actually very simple, once the plane lands there is a “weight on wheels” switch that unlocks the reverse thrust mechanism. In the cockpit, there is a small set of levers forward of the larger thrust levers. When we land the aircraft, the weight on wheels switch unlocks the thrust reverser. They don’t deploy until the pilot grabs the small set of levers in front of the larger thrust levers and pulls the reverse thrust levers backwards. When we deploy the reverse thrust, it doesn’t actually reverse the thrust a lot, but it does redirect the forward thrust out the sides of the engines through those doors that become exposed as the cowling transits rearward. Modern turbofan engines put out a lot of thrust, even at idle, so by redirecting thrust out the sides instead of the back, we reduce the forward momentum the engines provide, as we attempt to slow the jet down.
On a normal landing, the process of stopping the jet is provided by a few systems working in conjunction and sequentially with each other. The normal sequence is once the plane touches down, the speed brake/ground spoilers deploy (small flaps on the top of the wing. They cause the wing to dump lift. By dumping the lift the weight of the aircraft falls on to the landing gear/ tires where the real braking force is applied. the next step is the thrust reversers are deployed to kill any residual forward thrust supplied by the now idled engines, then the brakes are applied in a smooth constant application. At approximately 80 knots we usually start retracting the reverser and continue braking until the aircraft is at a safe taxi speed. Once off the runway the spoilers are retracted. If you watch the video you will see this sequence.

According to FPD, you've now killed everyone on board because you've "unsettled" the aircraft.

dvarapala 03-14-2019 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by mchar (Post 1599041274)
I know some planes have those shields that re- direct flow to brake.
I see now the Jet Engines go in Reverse.
'Splain me that -

Modern aircraft have a special treadmill that they deploy below the wheels on landing which makes the plane stop. :yesnod:


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