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jc03 06-15-2019 12:36 PM

Steering Wheel Loose in Column
 
Hello. My new to me 66 has some up and down play with the wheel through the column. There is no steering issue or lack of response but the wheel and whatever it attaches to wiggles in the column. If you turn more than half way it makes a small squeak and I would describe the feel as slightly springy. I have a short video but can’t figure out how to attach it. Does anyone have any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

Nowhere Man 06-15-2019 12:43 PM

Sounds like your upper and lower barringa are shot. Long Island Corvette has a good diagram of the columns to help

Dave Tracy 06-15-2019 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Nowhere Man (Post 1599587918)
Sounds like your upper and lower barringa are shot. Long Island Corvette has a good diagram of the columns to help

:iagree:

Easy Rhino 06-15-2019 01:06 PM

Keith is probably correct.

Mine were. The wheel was loose and squeaked, but steered fine. Pulling a non-telescoping column is very easy, and replacing the bearings a simple job.

More importantly, the lower bearing can tear up your steering shaft when it fails - this was shown just last week in a similar thread.

See below pics of a scary-looking steering shaft:

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...n-turning.html

(this thread was last week - search is a great utility)

buns 06-15-2019 03:15 PM

Might simply be that the lower column clamp is not adjusted properly. It needs to have pressure on the spring to take the play out of the upper bearing.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...27792ddead.jpg

65GGvert 06-15-2019 03:51 PM

I have a friend with a 66, telescopic steering, with the same issue. We took it apart and the upper bearing rollers were chewed up and falling out into the hub.

jc03 06-16-2019 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Easy Rhino (Post 1599587995)
Keith is probably correct.

Mine were. The wheel was loose and squeaked, but steered fine. Pulling a non-telescoping column is very easy, and replacing the bearings a simple job.

More importantly, the lower bearing can tear up your steering shaft when it fails - this was shown just last week in a similar thread.

See below pics of a scary-looking steering shaft:

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...n-turning.html

(this thread was last week - search is a great utility)

Awesome! Thanks. I couldn’t find an article on directions to pull the column. Would I be able to find that in a shop book?

Easy Rhino 06-16-2019 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by jc03 (Post 1599591650)
Awesome! Thanks. I couldn’t find an article on directions to pull the column. Would I be able to find that in a shop book?

I found an article on column removal by searching this forum, but it's been a while.

jc03 06-16-2019 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by Easy Rhino (Post 1599591684)
I found an article on column removal by searching this forum, but it's been a while.

Is this it?
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...f1f2777a0b.png

cardo0 06-16-2019 10:23 PM

I don't think you will know what is loose until you tear into it. Plenty of U-tube videos that give you an idea of what to expect. You will need a couple of specialty tools that are fairly inexpensive and a good large vise will help hold the column while you disassemble and then reassemble the column.

Good luck.

Frankie the Fink 06-17-2019 07:24 AM

Don't blow by BUNS advice in post #3, he's a smart guy and it would only take a minute to adjust the clamp and see if that resolves the issue... I see a ton of cars with the clamp misadjusted...that clamp is what "preloads" the bearings and ensures they seat correctly..

jc03 06-17-2019 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink (Post 1599596091)
Don't blow by BUNS advice in post #3, he's a smart guy and it would only take a minute to adjust the clamp and see if that resolves the issue... I see a ton of cars with the clamp misadjusted...that clamp is what "preloads" the bearings and ensures they seat correctly..

Awesome! Thanks. Will do.

I’m not real clear in the adjustment piece. Can anyone give me a quick explanation. Thanks in advance.

Frankie the Fink 06-17-2019 02:02 PM

There is a collar clamp on the steering column in the engine bay that sits on the steering shaft itself, it holds spring tension against the lower bearing and therefore the entire steering wheel mast jacket all the way up to the upper bearing under the steering wheel nut. It centers and preloads the entire assembly... The clamp should be adjusted so that a feeler gauge between the spring coils is between 0.010 and 0.030 of an inch... Its one of those jobs that takes three hands.

To do it, I cut some sheet metal stock that is 0.020" thick and make a "saddle" to sit between the spring coils and I tape it in place temporarily so I don't need that third hand then its just a matter of muscling the clamp rearward until the homemade "shim" is snug in the coils and then tighten the clamp..but you can certainly use a feeler gauge at 0.020" as well..

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...91cb87eb33.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...3fc29bf9a5.jpg
If you make this adjustment and there is no binding, crunching or movement in the steering shaft then I'd say you're home free...

jbthomas 06-17-2019 02:34 PM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...8483a4f27f.jpg
This was my steering shaft when I pulled it last year...like the above post. Don't keep driving it until you check the bearings. The lower bearing was completely gone and cutting the shaft in half and as you said..didn't steer poorly.

FLYNAVY30 06-17-2019 03:02 PM

Timely post as I'm in the middle of this job myself. How do you go about getting the lower shaft bearing and collar out of the steering column after the steering shaft has been pulled out from the top?

Thanks!

Frankie the Fink 06-17-2019 03:21 PM

Its been a while but I thought you just tapped around the perimeter of the collar in a few spots with a screwdriver or the like and it pops out....??

FLYNAVY30 06-17-2019 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink (Post 1599598818)
Its been a while but I thought you just tapped around the perimeter of the collar in a few spots with a screwdriver or the like and it pops out....??

Ok, that's kind of what I assumed but wanted to verify before I went and mangled anything. I didn't see anything in the AIM specifying a technique or procedure.

Easy Rhino 06-17-2019 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by FLYNAVY30 (Post 1599598966)
Ok, that's kind of what I assumed but wanted to verify before I went and mangled anything. I didn't see anything in the AIM specifying a technique or procedure.

Yeah, it’s really low tech.

jc03 06-17-2019 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink (Post 1599598344)
There is a collar clamp on the steering column in the engine bay that sits on the steering shaft itself, it holds spring tension against the lower bearing and therefore the entire steering wheel mast jacket all the way up to the upper bearing under the steering wheel nut. It centers and preloads the entire assembly... The clamp should be adjusted so that a feeler gauge between the spring coils is between 0.010 and 0.030 of an inch... Its one of those jobs that takes three hands.

To do it, I cut some sheet metal stock that is 0.020" thick and make a "saddle" to sit between the spring coils and I tape it in place temporarily so I don't need that third hand then its just a matter of muscling the clamp rearward until the homemade "shim" is snug in the coils and then tighten the clamp..but you can certainly use a feeler gauge at 0.020" as well..

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...91cb87eb33.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...3fc29bf9a5.jpg
If you make this adjustment and there is no binding, crunching or movement in the steering shaft then I'd say you're home free...

I see the collar clamp and it doesn’t look like it’s pitting any tension in the spring. Does that make sense?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...93d56c252.jpeg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...47f206186.jpeg

Frankie the Fink 06-17-2019 05:18 PM

I don’t see a spring there and if there is the clamp is too tight. You may have other problems though. You have an inordinate amount of rust at the bearing and I’m not sure you can assume it’s ok.

There should also be a washer there above the spring that prevents damage. See item 19 on the “A” exploded view in post # 5 above. That washer is very important. If it’s missing the spring can destroy the bearing - I’ve seen it before.


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