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C8-Vette 08-20-2019 02:37 PM

Z51 axle ratio
 
The Z51 package includes a performance rear axle ratio. What is that ratio and what is the basic ratio?
Thanks in advance
Al

Sub Driver 08-20-2019 03:28 PM

3.62 vs 3.80

vincent_esq 08-20-2019 03:40 PM

Pardon my ignorance but that’s not a big difference, right?

Sub Driver 08-20-2019 03:49 PM

Depends on how you look at it. It is about 5% more torque multiplication.

swift93 08-20-2019 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by vincent_esq (Post 1600007062)
Pardon my ignorance but that’s not a big difference, right?

Probably .2-.3 tenths in 0-60 time.

RapidC84B 08-20-2019 03:52 PM

Changes effective gear ratio across the board. Car will accelerate harder in every gear due to torque multiplication. Also makes the ratios relatively closer with less rpm drop between shifts.

fzust 08-20-2019 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by Sub Driver (Post 1600006974)
3.62 vs 3.80

Hi Sub, I've been looking for this for a while. Where did you find this info? Any idea on the other gear ratios? Gotta put it in my spreadsheet for track use. Thanks!

RapidC84B 08-20-2019 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by fzust (Post 1600007249)
Hi Sub, I've been looking for this for a while. Where did you find this info? Thanks!

Literally everywhere.

MitchAlsup 08-20-2019 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder (Post 1600007152)
Changes effective gear ratio across the board. Car will accelerate harder in every gear due to torque multiplication.

yes


Also makes the ratios relatively closer with less rpm drop between shifts.
Err, no.

Let us pretend 1st gear is 2.97 and that second gear is 2.17
With 3.62:1 rear gears the ratio between 1st and 2nd is 2.97/2.17 = 1.368
With 3.80:1 rear geats the ratio between 1st and 2nd is 2.97/2.17 = 1.368
Now if you shift the 3.62 geared car at 6250 RPMs you end up at 4566 RPMs in 2nd gear
....... if you shift the 3.80 geared car at 6250 RPMs you end up at 4566 RPMs in 2nd gear

No difference in the ratio of the ratios.

punky 08-20-2019 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by vincent_esq (Post 1600007062)
Pardon my ignorance but that’s not a big difference, right?

Almost no difference at all. You can barely feel any didifference going from 3.50 to 3.90, 3.62 to 3.80 for get about it.

if it were that sig. then there would be lower gas mileage with Z51.

RapidC84B 08-20-2019 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by MitchAlsup (Post 1600007257)
yes



Err, no.

Let us pretend 1st gear is 2.97 and that second gear is 2.17
With 3.62:1 rear gears the ratio between 1st and 2nd is 2.97/2.17 = 1.368
With 3.80:1 rear geats the ratio between 1st and 2nd is 2.97/2.17 = 1.368
Now if you shift the 3.62 geared car at 6250 RPMs you end up at 4566 RPMs in 2nd gear
....... if you shift the 3.80 geared car at 6250 RPMs you end up at 4566 RPMs in 2nd gear

No difference in the ratio of the ratios.

Maybe I'm explaining it wrong... but if you plot speed vs. gear vs. rpm you'll find the high numerically rear end geared car the lines will be closer together.

Sub Driver 08-20-2019 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by punky (Post 1600007304)
Almost no difference at all. You can barely feel any didifference going from 3.50 to 3.90, 3.62 to 3.80 for get about it.

if it were that sig. then there would be lower gas mileage with Z51.

Wrong, it is not "almost no difference at all." Tell me how much a 5% increase in torque multiplication comes out to.

G fix needy 08-20-2019 04:59 PM

Just going with simple math, the overall ratio ie rear diff X gear is what matters.
This works out to 10.7514 vs 11.286 for 1st gear, 7.8554 vs 8.246 for 2nd gear.

2turbocobra 08-20-2019 05:10 PM

How much fuel mileage is the z51 going to cost me? .25 mpg?

punky 08-20-2019 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by Sub Driver (Post 1600007364)
Wrong, it is not "almost no difference at all." Tell me how much a 5% increase in torque multiplication comes out to.

Oh, OK. Tell you how much difference there is between 3.62 rear ratio and 3.80? Beyond the obvious minute numerical difference the answer is real simple. Nothing any of us are going to feel. As if a 0.18 gear ratio can be perceptible. Anyone familiar with this will tell you that a gear ratio change that small is so negligible that it is not worth doing and that is whether you believe it or not or know it or not. Thanks but no thank you for the lesson Pal.

BobRBob 08-20-2019 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by punky (Post 1600007756)
Oh, OK. Tell you how much difference there is between 3.62 rear ratio and 3.80? Beyond the obvious minute numerical difference the answer is real simple. Nothing any of us are going to feel. As if a 0.18 gear ratio can be perceptible. Anyone familiar with this will tell you that a gear ratio change that small is so negligible that it is not worth doing and that is whether you believe it or not or know it or not. Thanks but no thank you for the lesson Pal.

No axe to grind here but, if it makes no difference, why do they do it?

punky 08-20-2019 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by BobRBob (Post 1600007814)
No axe to grind here but, if it makes no difference, why do they do it?

So Sub driver thinks he is getting a "faster" car when he coughs up his additional 5 grand. HP is the same so they need some difference to claim what is supposed to be a slightly quicker 0-60. They need to justify the $5,000 charge. This package is really profitable for GM as it is essentially a substitution of a bunch of parts to ones that are more suited to track use. To put it another way 0-60, with or without Z51 in the real world is a drivers race as they call it.

johnglenntwo 08-20-2019 05:49 PM

Nothing!? ;)
 

Originally Posted by 2turbocobra (Post 1600007685)
How much fuel mileage is the z51 going to cost me? .25 mpg?

That's why they have two overdrives!? But, ask Sub since it must be literally everywhere!:lol:

Mr. Toads 08-20-2019 06:02 PM

I once went from 2.73's to 4.11's -- THAT difference you could feel!

jazvet 08-20-2019 06:08 PM

PUNKY whats with that picture ?


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