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[deleted] 04-20-2023 10:43 AM

Sport Auto Drives Z06 Around Hockenheimring to a1:49
 
Comparison lap times below video...

******** AIR TEMPERATURE WAS ONLY 36 DEGREES F ************

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1. McLaren Senna, 1.40,8 Minuten
2. Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series, 1.43,3 Minuten
3. Manthey-Porsche 911 GT2 RS MR, 3.1.43,5 Minuten
4. Tikt-Mercedes-AMG GT R Pro, 1.45,1 Minuten
5. Porsche 911 GT3 (992) Manthey-Performance-Kit 1.45,4 Minuten
6. McLaren 720S, 1.45,5 Minuten
7. Porsche 911 GT3 (992), 1.45,8 Minuten
8. Ferrari 488 Pista, 1.45,9 Minuten
9. a-workx-Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991.2), 1.46,0 Minuten
10. McLaren 765LT, 1.46,2 Minuten
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Mercedes-AMG GT R 1.48,5 min
Lamborghini Huracán STO: 1.48,6 min
Lamborghini Huracán Evo: 1.49.0 min
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C8): 1.49,1 min
BMW M4 CSL: 1.50,1 min
Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S 4-Türer (Cup 2): 1.52,8 min
Porsche 911 Carrera 4 GTS (992): 1.53,3 min
MTM Audi RS6 1001 PS (C8): 1.53,4 min

416vette 04-20-2023 11:13 AM

That's not that bad for such a fat pig..

AzDave47 04-20-2023 11:15 AM

I wish I knew more about how/who these lap times were done and the car prep. 3+ seconds slower than the current 911GT3 is very disappointing on a 1min 49 lap. Of course the 4 major "catches' the driver had to do didn't contribute to a great lap time. I am sure it lost time with the 5th gearing, too on the main straight. One second up on the BMW?

3LZ too, with the added weight. Hopefully it was not a HTC with another 100#

[deleted] 04-20-2023 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by AzDave47 (Post 1606534175)
I wish I knew more about how/who these lap times were done and the car prep. 3+ seconds slower than the current 911GT3 is very disappointing on a 1min 49 lap. Of course the 4 major "catches' the driver had to do didn't contribute to a great lap time. I am sure it lost time with the 5th gearing, too on the main straight. One second up on the BMW?

3LZ too, with the added weight. Hopefully it was not a HTC with another 100#


You can buy the magazine for that information >> Den Test lest ihr in sport auto 05/2023. Die Ausgabe gibt's hier zu kaufen. You can buy it here >> Magazine

JasonVette 04-20-2023 11:29 AM

Looking at the video the conditions must have been miserable. The C8Z from what I've seen has pretty good grip, but the driver is fighting it literally the entire time here. Either the track was damp or the tires were well spent.

I wouldn't put stock in those times being relevant for anything. The 765lt slower than the 720s? There's modded 911s on the list as well. Based on other footage of the Corvette I can't see it being "just" as fast as the Huracan and only a second quicker than the M4.

Shokosugi 04-20-2023 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by JasonVette (Post 1606534236)
Looking at the video the conditions must have been miserable. The C8Z from what I've seen has pretty good grip, but the driver is fighting it literally the entire time here. Either the track was damp or the tires were well spent.

I wouldn't put stock in those times being relevant for anything. The 765lt slower than the 720s? There's modded 911s on the list as well. Based on other footage of the Corvette I can't see it being "just" as fast as the Huracan and only a second quicker than the M4.


Originally Posted by AzDave47 (Post 1606534175)
I wish I knew more about how/who these lap times were done and the car prep. 3+ seconds slower than the current 911GT3 is very disappointing on a 1min 49 lap. Of course the 4 major "catches' the driver had to do didn't contribute to a great lap time. I am sure it lost time with the 5th gearing, too on the main straight. One second up on the BMW?

3LZ too, with the added weight. Hopefully it was not a HTC with another 100#

The GT3 has a performance kit and the Z06 is Euro spec (636 horsepower and 439 lb-ft of torque versus 670 horsepower and 460 lb-ft for the US), so that undoubtedly made a difference. Wondering if they used a Z07.
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AzDave47 04-20-2023 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by Shokosugi (Post 1606534251)
The GT3 has a performance kit and the Z06 is Euro spec (636 horsepower and 439 lb-ft of torque versus 670 horsepower and 460 lb-ft for the US), so that undoubtedly made a difference. Wondering if they used a Z07.
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They listed the Cup2R tires so I presume the full Z07, but then that is just a guess.

AzDave47 04-20-2023 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by [deleted] (Post 1606534205)
You can buy the magazine for that information >> Den Test lest ihr in sport auto 05/2023. Die Ausgabe gibt's hier zu kaufen. You can buy it here >> Magazine

The pictures would be nice, I guess, but since I do not speak or read German, the explanation would still be unknown to me even though the "information" would be there..

[deleted] 04-20-2023 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by AzDave47 (Post 1606534353)
The pictures would be nice, I guess, but since I do not speak or read German, the explanation would still be unknown to me even though the "information" would be there..

Google Lens is your friend

416vette 04-20-2023 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by Shokosugi (Post 1606534251)
The GT3 has a performance kit and the Z06 is Euro spec (636 horsepower and 439 lb-ft of torque versus 670 horsepower and 460 lb-ft for the US), so that undoubtedly made a difference. Wondering if they used a Z07.
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7. Porsche 911 GT3 (992), 1.45,8 Minuten
^Presuming the above is stock... you may have glanced over this one and right to the MR kit.

khartford 04-20-2023 12:46 PM

This comparison would be relevant if they used:
1. the same driver for all cars
2. lapped on the same day / weather
3. comparable tires
4. counted the best lap out of 5-10 laps

If they didn't it is not a valid comparison. :lurk:

416vette 04-20-2023 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by khartford (Post 1606534615)
This comparison would be relevant if they used:
1. the same driver for all cars
2. lapped on the same day / weather
3. comparable tires
4. counted the best lap out of 5-10 laps

If they didn't it is not a valid comparison. :lurk:

When the numbers are in the z's favor most of you claim it as gospel, but when they aren't the excuses are fast and furious.. :rofl:

Shokosugi 04-20-2023 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by 416vette (Post 1606534614)
7. Porsche 911 GT3 (992), 1.45,8 Minuten
^Presuming the above is stock... you may have glanced over this one and right to the MR kit.

My bad. Thanks.

khartford 04-20-2023 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by 416vette (Post 1606534675)
When the numbers are in the z's favor most of you claim it as gospel, but when they aren't the excuses are fast and furious.. :rofl:

Mr. 416,
I'm visiting Toronto in August. Love the city but I hate the hotel rates.
I like the Z but being on a list to buy one is a bit of a joke. These comparisons are baloney.
Run 10 identical Z06s on that track with different drivers and weather variables and it will yield 10 very different times. Just saying... :)

Racingswh 04-20-2023 01:45 PM

Is it me or does that particular car sound lazy after the upshifts? Could be just the audio.

Speed in 5th looked like 159 mph or so, not slow. Sounds like the driver is pedaling it. Would be nice to see throttle opening, brake application, and G's. I would think that temp would help lower the lap time unless the driver went out with tires cold.


Shokosugi 04-20-2023 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by 416vette (Post 1606534675)
When the numbers are in the z's favor most of you claim it as gospel, but when they aren't the excuses are fast and furious.. :rofl:

The only relevant excuse IMO is the Euro spec.

416vette 04-20-2023 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by khartford (Post 1606534829)
Mr. 416,
I'm visiting Toronto in August. Love the city but I hate the hotel rates.
I like the Z but being on a list to buy one is a bit of a joke. These comparisons are baloney.
Run 10 identical Z06s on that track with different drivers and weather variables and it will yield 10 very different times. Just saying... :)

Aug for Caribana? I hope you enjoy your stay, but prices are insane during the summer months.. AirBNB would be a great alternative, especially if staying in the downtown core.
Agreed. My z purchase experience is laughable at best.. going on 3+ years and still no line of sight on an allocation, let alone a delivery date... now that's baloney!
Agreed .

416vette 04-20-2023 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Shokosugi (Post 1606534852)
The only relevant excuse IMO is the Euro spec.

That's stock in EU though, so not really an excuse.. but I get your meaning.

Telepierre 04-20-2023 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Racingswh (Post 1606534842)
Is it me or does that particular car sound lazy after the upshifts? Could be just the audio.

Speed in 5th looked like 159 mph or so, not slow. Sounds like the driver is pedaling it. Would be nice to see throttle opening, brake application, and G's. I would think that temp would help lower the lap time unless the driver went out with tires cold.

Without a proper write up and more background this video does not say much per se. I'd like to know how they landed the car in the first place. Also I tracked the Hockeheim and March - April pavement is basically thawing out. If it is true air was 36 in the morning you are looking at a damp frost like thawing out track with CUP2Rs...

Iker 04-20-2023 02:45 PM

The only way to prove the track capability of the new Z06 is taking the car to Nurburgring to set a lap time.


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