Macmulkin asking if you will give 5K over???
Burning Brakes
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Amazing how many people love capitalism. Right up until the point where it works again them. MacMulkin is doing what is best for their business and who can blame them with the buzz around this car.
And no.. selling the first few Z06's at $5k over sticker isnt going to do any long term damage to their business. If anything I'm surprised more dealers arent pushing for $10k over sticker.
And no.. selling the first few Z06's at $5k over sticker isnt going to do any long term damage to their business. If anything I'm surprised more dealers arent pushing for $10k over sticker.
it's the american way.
Le Mans Master
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From: Syracuse New York
That's insane, I just don't get why everybody wants to be the first to have a ZO6, what difference does it really make? Bragging rights?? Money isn't an issue for me, but there's no way I'm paying $15k over sticker for ANYTHING at any time. I'll save my $15k, wait a while and order a 2016 for sticker or less and get any new upgrades that go along with it. I'm sure there will be a GM price increase, but that's a different story, paying over stacker just makes no sense to me.
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Safety Car
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From: Northeast MA & Mad Beach FL
You have to love all the drama queens on Corvette Forum. MacMulkin didnt magically become the #2 dealer in the nation. They have been selling 1000's of Corvettes for decades.. with the vast majority of those getting sold at deep discounts & crazy incentives. They know their market.. they know whats hot and whats not. They also know what options their customers have and approximately how many of those customers are willing to pay to have a hot seller first.
For every C7Z06 MacMulkin sells for $5k over MSRP.. I'd bet they have sold 100 other Corvettes for atleast $5k under MSRP. But listening to the drama queens on this forum.. you would think they only sell for over MSRP. I'd bet the first dozen or so C7Z06's get sold for over MSRP at MacMulkin.. and the rest of them go for MSRP or lower. Macmulkin isnt selling ALL of the 2015 Z06's for $5k over.. just the first few units. Its not nearly as big of a deal as you guys are making it and will have little effect on those waiting for the new Z.
And yes. It is capitalism. And is supply and demand. Cry and bitch all you want, label it something else that makes you feel better.. but this is the way the free market works. If an item is a hot seller and there is low demand.. then prices tend to rise up. When that demand cools.. prices tend to drop. The system works both ways. At the end of the day if you dont agree with what MacMulkin is doing.. then excercise your power as the consumer and go purchase your new Z06 somewhere else that is selling their first few allocations for MSRP. Or even better wait for the 2016's.. and you just might get a supplier discount.
But bitching about it all day on Corvette Forum isnt changing anything.
For every C7Z06 MacMulkin sells for $5k over MSRP.. I'd bet they have sold 100 other Corvettes for atleast $5k under MSRP. But listening to the drama queens on this forum.. you would think they only sell for over MSRP. I'd bet the first dozen or so C7Z06's get sold for over MSRP at MacMulkin.. and the rest of them go for MSRP or lower. Macmulkin isnt selling ALL of the 2015 Z06's for $5k over.. just the first few units. Its not nearly as big of a deal as you guys are making it and will have little effect on those waiting for the new Z.
And yes. It is capitalism. And is supply and demand. Cry and bitch all you want, label it something else that makes you feel better.. but this is the way the free market works. If an item is a hot seller and there is low demand.. then prices tend to rise up. When that demand cools.. prices tend to drop. The system works both ways. At the end of the day if you dont agree with what MacMulkin is doing.. then excercise your power as the consumer and go purchase your new Z06 somewhere else that is selling their first few allocations for MSRP. Or even better wait for the 2016's.. and you just might get a supplier discount.
But bitching about it all day on Corvette Forum isnt changing anything.
They're not saying you have to pay $5K over MSRP
They're "asking" for VOLUNTEERS who would like to pay $5K over MSRP.
So, If nobody VOLUNTEERS to pay $5K over MSRP, then EVERYONE CAN GET ONE FOR MSRP.
Safety Car
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I just bought a brand new, (not a low mileage used) viper GTS with Laguna interior for 85K, it has a window sticker of 138K. I couldn't pass up that deal. The Z06 will be a beast for sure but my Gen5 will be pretty wicked after the tuning issues are coming online.
Yup, $79k after destination
However, the guy you are quoting is one of the ZR1 owners who endlessly berated all who expected the new Z to sticker under $90k, predicting that most would be devastated when GM announced pricing and it started at $100k or so. However, unlike the majority of others, the $78,995 announcement has only strengthened his resolve to tell people how much the Z06 isn't the deal everybody thinks it is, because some dealers will price gouge and fully-optioned cars will be over $100k. He pops up in every thread where the discussion leads that direction to throw out his absurd "I told you so" comments
Racer
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From: West Coast
[QUOTE=redzone;1587774275] But I'd have a serious case of the a$$ if I had been on their list this whole time only to be told at the 11th hour that if I wanted to be sure to get a car in a reasonable time they would need an extra $5k.QUOTE]
I think this is the real issue. whether people choose to pay above msrp is their choice. for example, if the car isn't available locally and could be had at msrp in the configuration a customer is happy with at a dealer 1500 miles away at the closest, then they have to consider travel expenses, and/or shipping, a day off of work perhaps...all that stuff is worth money and what a person chooses to pay is really their own damn business. but....if you got on one list expecting the sequence to go by number in line in combo with how the configuration of your car matches allocations, constraints, etc, and then 8 months later find out that you missed the boat because the dealer changed his mind, and YOU are going to have to pay $5K more to get what you were promised in the first place...then you got screwed.
I don't think that's gonna sink Mac Mulkin, but as far as their reputation on the forum as a forum vendor, at the very least, that's gotta leave a mark.
I think this is the real issue. whether people choose to pay above msrp is their choice. for example, if the car isn't available locally and could be had at msrp in the configuration a customer is happy with at a dealer 1500 miles away at the closest, then they have to consider travel expenses, and/or shipping, a day off of work perhaps...all that stuff is worth money and what a person chooses to pay is really their own damn business. but....if you got on one list expecting the sequence to go by number in line in combo with how the configuration of your car matches allocations, constraints, etc, and then 8 months later find out that you missed the boat because the dealer changed his mind, and YOU are going to have to pay $5K more to get what you were promised in the first place...then you got screwed.
I don't think that's gonna sink Mac Mulkin, but as far as their reputation on the forum as a forum vendor, at the very least, that's gotta leave a mark.
Melting Slicks
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From: montreal quebec
Whats your problem?
Here's a quote from one of the guys on ViperAlley who just scored a brand-new 2013:
I'd certainly be tempted to go that route with that kind of incentive
Yup, $79k after destination
However, the guy you are quoting is one of the ZR1 owners who endlessly berated all who expected the new Z to sticker under $90k, predicting that most would be devastated when GM announced pricing and it started at $100k or so. However, unlike the majority of others, the $78,995 announcement has only strengthened his resolve to tell people how much the Z06 isn't the deal everybody thinks it is, because some dealers will price gouge and fully-optioned cars will be over $100k. He pops up in every thread where the discussion leads that direction to throw out his absurd "I told you so" comments
I'd certainly be tempted to go that route with that kind of incentive
Yup, $79k after destination
However, the guy you are quoting is one of the ZR1 owners who endlessly berated all who expected the new Z to sticker under $90k, predicting that most would be devastated when GM announced pricing and it started at $100k or so. However, unlike the majority of others, the $78,995 announcement has only strengthened his resolve to tell people how much the Z06 isn't the deal everybody thinks it is, because some dealers will price gouge and fully-optioned cars will be over $100k. He pops up in every thread where the discussion leads that direction to throw out his absurd "I told you so" comments
Le Mans Master
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From: Bergen County NJ
Why do you get all offended?I am only speaking the truth.You wont get a c7 z06 for 79 or 80k thats all i am saying.I never said anyone would be devastated when G.M would announce the pricing .Maybe a cold shower will help you calm down a little .Look in the mirror before you put down others for no good reason.
AIR FORCE VETERAN
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From: Pennsylvania
I see there are still people who are saying wait a year and they will be discounted. Last year I kept reading that dealers had to many C7's . I read where GM would give rebates soon.
"don't hold your breath"
I think it is wrong to charge over MSRP. Mike Furman at Criswell is my dealer and he is honest and fair. You will be on a list and may wait but you will get your ZO6 priced correctly.
"don't hold your breath"
I think it is wrong to charge over MSRP. Mike Furman at Criswell is my dealer and he is honest and fair. You will be on a list and may wait but you will get your ZO6 priced correctly.
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Yup, $79k after destination
However, the guy you are quoting is one of the ZR1 owners who endlessly berated all who expected the new Z to sticker under $90k, predicting that most would be devastated when GM announced pricing and it started at $100k or so. However, unlike the majority of others, the $78,995 announcement has only strengthened his resolve to tell people how much the Z06 isn't the deal everybody thinks it is, because some dealers will price gouge and fully-optioned cars will be over $100k. He pops up in every thread where the discussion leads that direction to throw out his absurd "I told you so" comments
However, the guy you are quoting is one of the ZR1 owners who endlessly berated all who expected the new Z to sticker under $90k, predicting that most would be devastated when GM announced pricing and it started at $100k or so. However, unlike the majority of others, the $78,995 announcement has only strengthened his resolve to tell people how much the Z06 isn't the deal everybody thinks it is, because some dealers will price gouge and fully-optioned cars will be over $100k. He pops up in every thread where the discussion leads that direction to throw out his absurd "I told you so" comments
Most people are happy that the base MSRP is lower than many expected. Most people.
S.
Instructor
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If capitalism only ever works in favor of the business, then it's not capitalism.
mmm ... so telling people one thing for months to convince them not to get in line with any other dealer, and then when it's too late, suddenly reveal that $5,000 of Vaseline will be necessary, is best for your business? I'd tell them to go break it off in somebody else's butt and never consider doing business with them ever again for any reason, since there are many other competitors who willingly agree to much better deals. Now THAT'S capitalism.
The problem isn't just asking over sticker when many other dealers are not; it's the apparent bait-and-switch. Henceforth, when any new member starts a thread asking for everybody's opinion on MacMulkin, I'll say all I know about them is that when the Z06 was announced, they were telling customers to plan on MSRP, and then at the last minute announced: oh gee, looks like we have more buyers than allocations, so give us $5,000 more, even though we had assured you it wouldn't be necessary and even though we have no direct control over whose order actually gets built first, and it wasn't in writing so you'll have a hard time suing us. That's the truth, or at least nobody from MacMulkin has denied it, so new member, you might want to consider avoiding the drama by directing your bucks to the dozens of dealers who say what they'll do and then do what they said.
mmm ... so telling people one thing for months to convince them not to get in line with any other dealer, and then when it's too late, suddenly reveal that $5,000 of Vaseline will be necessary, is best for your business? I'd tell them to go break it off in somebody else's butt and never consider doing business with them ever again for any reason, since there are many other competitors who willingly agree to much better deals. Now THAT'S capitalism.
The problem isn't just asking over sticker when many other dealers are not; it's the apparent bait-and-switch. Henceforth, when any new member starts a thread asking for everybody's opinion on MacMulkin, I'll say all I know about them is that when the Z06 was announced, they were telling customers to plan on MSRP, and then at the last minute announced: oh gee, looks like we have more buyers than allocations, so give us $5,000 more, even though we had assured you it wouldn't be necessary and even though we have no direct control over whose order actually gets built first, and it wasn't in writing so you'll have a hard time suing us. That's the truth, or at least nobody from MacMulkin has denied it, so new member, you might want to consider avoiding the drama by directing your bucks to the dozens of dealers who say what they'll do and then do what they said.
Many dealers over the years have asked, and gotten over MSRP for first year models. Thats why its called manufacturers SUGGESTED retail price. I am old enough to remember in 1989 the dealer frenzy over the new 1990 ZR1s that were going to revolutionize high performance automobiles. Some were getting $50k over sticker.
The big problem I have with this is bait and switch. Most states have specific regs that address dealer bait and switch tactics. I would suggest just getting on someone elses list. I have dealt with Kerbeck, Les Stanford, and Rick Hendrick Chevrolet. All quality dealers with long time reputations. MacMulkin seems to be a fairly recent player to the Corvette scene.
George Kerbeck was selling Vettes when Zora when sending racing parts out the back door.
Platinum Supporting Dealership
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From: Nashua NH
Ordered Z06s are MSRP at MacMulkin
Due to the response on the Corvette Forum, Tommy Jr and the Corvette Team,
have decided that all Ordered Z06s will be sold at MSRP With ZERO Doc fees.
Long term Corvette relationships are more important to us than short term gains.
The Corvette Team at MacMulkin
Tommy Jr
Mark
Karl
Ron
Jessy
have decided that all Ordered Z06s will be sold at MSRP With ZERO Doc fees.
Long term Corvette relationships are more important to us than short term gains.
The Corvette Team at MacMulkin
Tommy Jr
Mark
Karl
Ron
Jessy
Pro
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From: N. Venice Florida
Just to add my 2 cents. There is a sucker born every 2 seconds. You have to be a fool to pay over MSRP for a car. I don't care what car. I have no problem with the dealer charging whatever that is his prerogative. Let him hold onto the cars for awhile his price will drop as the interest adds up and he has to make his payments or doesn't move units.
Pro
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From: N. Venice Florida
Due to the response on the Corvette Forum, Tommy Jr and the Corvette Team,
have decided that all Ordered Z06s will be sold at MSRP With ZERO Doc fees.
Long term Corvette relationships are more important to us than short term gains.
The Corvette Team at MacMulkin
Tommy Jr
Mark
Karl
Ron
Jessy
have decided that all Ordered Z06s will be sold at MSRP With ZERO Doc fees.
Long term Corvette relationships are more important to us than short term gains.
The Corvette Team at MacMulkin
Tommy Jr
Mark
Karl
Ron
Jessy