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In the effort to have a "level Playing field" the BoP schmucks managed to once again give advantages to those who "they" deemed were due a win. I've grown so tired of this BS. It's everywhere I see.
I own a '15 Z51 M7 and did the Spring Mountain school, so I know what 460 HP acceleration feels like on a track. I imagine that acceleration in a C7.R is something quite better than I experienced at Spring Mountain. But what I cannot get my brain around is the incredible delta between those Porsche 919 Hybrids and the C7.R. There were several shots from inside the 64 car when one of the 919's passed him out of a turn or on a straight and the way those 919s pulled away made it look like the 64 car was parked. I heard one of the broadcasters mention that the overtake speed between those cars and the GTE Pro class was something like 100 MPH. They were regularly hitting 300+ KPH on the straights.
BJ
Is the in-car camera fitted with a wide angle lens? If so, a wide angle lens will make it appear vehicles are moving away quicker than they truly are.
In the effort to have a "level Playing field" the BoP schmucks managed to once again give advantages to those who "they" deemed were due a win. I've grown so tired of this BS. It's everywhere I see.
I agree. Perhaps those "schmuks" are just trying to ensure that everyone comes back next year, and doesn't just give up and go home never to return.
Bottom line - if a Vette couldn't make it to the podium, I glad that an American car did. Hope many share that sentiment.
Not totally related to your sentiment, but a little bit part of the reason that Corvette has their new Stars and "Made in America" livery this year is because the Ford GT race car isn't made in the US.
(and yes, that is a whole other conversation had in many places...is "better" to buy a car made in the US by a foreign manufacturer, or a car by a US manufacturer made elsewhere)
So from these lists, which ones do you see on a daily basis?
I wasn't asking "what cars came turbo charged"
Really? What planet are you from? I went back 40-50 years to demonstrate the point that turbos have a great track record for reliability. They are bullet-proof today. And you make the ridiculous statement that all these "new" turbo cars that are ubiquitous now are somehow going to blow up 4-5 years from now. Really?
How about the BMW 335, twin-turboed from 2006, and an incredibly reliable engine of which I see a dozen a day. There are dozens of other examples.
Not totally related to your sentiment, but a little bit part of the reason that Corvette has their new Stars and "Made in America" livery this year is because the Ford GT race car isn't made in the US.
(and yes, that is a whole other conversation had in many places...is "better" to buy a car made in the US by a foreign manufacturer, or a car by a US manufacturer made elsewhere)
With all due respect, even if the Ford GT is not totally made in America, I think it was designed here. And certainly the team effort was funded by an American company. And the effort represented our country in a positive light , which is a good thing. And most people associate Ford with and as an American company. And on, and on, and on......
I agree. Perhaps those "schmuks" are just trying to ensure that everyone comes back next year, and doesn't just give up and go home never to return.
Damned right they hope they come back. GT racing has been on life-support for many years w/ Corvette and Porsche racing alone, w/ an occasional Aston Martin appearance every so often. It was boring as hell. It's no wonder Corvette had so many victories in the last couple of decades w/ very little competition.
It's about time that series had new life breathed into it. There's a reason that the only coverage is on obscure networks like FS1, and even they don't air much of it because the ratings are horrific. They have to beg to get any air time at all.
The Kool-Aid a lot of folks here have been drinking is both scary and appears to cause delusional thought. I love Corvettes and am on my 3rd. It is by far and away the best high performance, production car value in the world, and what happened at LeMans last weekend takes nothing away from that. But I also love any great performance car, and am totally brand agnostic. I don't judge a car by the badge on it, but on it's own merits and value.
The current rule book is there for everyone to get creative with, the rules continually evolve and change, and the past is the past. If you don't keep up with that process, you lose. Shame on the Corvette team for being outplayed and not keeping up, which is likely the result of getting fat, dumb, and incredibly complacent. It's pathetic to blame their performance on some crazy conspiracy theory.
Ford designed and engineered a brand-new and superior car in record time, got it approved, and along w/ Ferrari, which did the same thing, pumped new life into the series. I suspect it woke GM up, which is a good thing, and I expect great things from Team Corvette in the future as a result. Getting embarrassed by the competition is sometimes the best thing that can happen to an organization.
With all due respect, even if the Ford GT is not totally made in America, I think it was designed here. And certainly the team effort was funded by an American company. And the effort represented our country in a positive light , which is a good thing. And most people associate Ford with and as an American company. And on, and on, and on......
Sorry, my comment/photo was meant light-hearted and add a bit of trivia, just wasn't obvious from the post. All you said is correct.
For me, I just want more cars in the class and am glad the Fords are here (particularly needed as the Viper factory team left 2 years ago). Competition and good racing is good for everyone.
Sorry, my comment/photo was meant light-hearted and add a bit of trivia, just wasn't obvious from the post. All you said is correct.
For me, I just want more cars in the class and am glad the Fords are here (particularly needed as the Viper factory team left 2 years ago). Competition and good racing is good for everyone.
The more different brands the better. Ford went all out and it paid off. The BoP formula is not perfect.
Sorry, my comment/photo was meant light-hearted and add a bit of trivia, just wasn't obvious from the post. All you said is correct.
For me, I just want more cars in the class and am glad the Fords are here (particularly needed as the Viper factory team left 2 years ago). Competition and good racing is good for everyone.
Probably, but I think the catch is that the V6 in the Ford GT is twin-turbo. And it's the only one that Ford produces as a twin. The V6 in the F150's has only one turbo.
In any case, the manufacturers signed off on it. I think they wanted to decimate Ford at Le Mans as a sort of revenge race. Especially Ferrari. Ferrari and Ford have a long history of being pissed off at each other. (Ford tried to buy Ferrari back in the 60's and Ferrari snubbed them, so Ford made the GT MKII to beat them at their own game, and they did).
I think the Corvette teams just signed off on it because while on the face of things Ford and GM are competitors, they are also both American companies and share probably share friends on both teams.
as to everyone saying the race was rigged. My understanding is that the Ford's power was reduced at all levels but WOT, and weight added. While the corvette was given an extra 2mm to open up their restrictor plates (but at the time it happened they only had 2mm available so I don't know if they were ever able to come up with the 3mm).
IMO. It was as fair a race as it could have been. The Ford GT production car runs 400k. It was designed not to compete with the Corvette, but to compete with the Lamborghini in sales. And I believe Ford will be keeping this one around for a while.
The current rule book is there for everyone to get creative with, the rules continually evolve and change, and the past is the past. If you don't keep up with that process, you lose. Shame on the Corvette team for being outplayed and not keeping up, which is likely the result of getting fat, dumb, and incredibly complacent.
Yes, the rule book is there for everybody, but when the sanctioning body changes the formula between practice (where the Corvettes were fastest and the Fords relatively slow) and qualifying (where the Fords were fastest and the Corvettes relatively slow) that doesn't count as complacency in my book. There just wasn't enough time left to engineer around the weight penalty and, more importantly, air inlet size. See the linked article. http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...ts-at-le-mans/
Yes, the rule book is there for everybody, but when the sanctioning body changes the formula between practice (where the Corvettes were fastest and the Fords relatively slow) and qualifying (where the Fords were fastest and the Corvettes relatively slow) that doesn't count as complacency in my book. There just wasn't enough time left to engineer around the weight penalty and, more importantly, air inlet size. See the linked article. http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...ts-at-le-mans/
On top of all that, Ford (not happy with a ONLY a 1,3 finish) tried to get the Risi 488 for its failed positioner and make them stop to fix or get a penalty so Ford could gain the 1-2-3 finish.
Dirty racing dude... Using the rules to gain an advantage or not, Ford is garbage for the way they handled this race. From the sandbagging in test/qualifying to the last minute attempt to foil the Risi 488 out of its earned 2nd place finish.
I'm not a brand *****, in fact my C7 (first GM product ever after coming from Euro/import) is sitting in the shop for heavy internal trans work after only 2k miles, and although I agree this car is the best bang for buck worldwide...I will never own another one again. I have no dog in this fight, but Corvette Racing deserved better.
As a racer myself nothing ever pissed me off more that "sandbaggers" that in my opinion are basically "cheaters". But, Corvette really needs to get their act together or they'll have a losing year.
And Scott Atherton will reply with what a wonderful pack of options we have put in place to watch the series...
My son and I watched it commercial free for the entire race from the endurance race season subscription he paid approx. $50 for. Screw FS! and all the rest...
Please tell me more about this 'endurance race season subscription', for $50 I am in - how and where can I get this. Thank you
Los Angeles. I have friends with 911 turbos, and see dozens on the road and on parking lots daily. Around here there is not a day that goes by when I don't see Ferraris (plural) and lambos.
As a racer myself nothing ever pissed me off more that "sandbaggers" that in my opinion are basically "cheaters". But, Corvette really needs to get their act together or they'll have a losing year.
Not sure what you mean by that. In the 4 IMSA races, the highest Corvette finish is 1,1,2, and 4. They lead in Drivers, Team, and Manufacturers championships through those 4 races.
I think they have their act together just fine, although now that the cuffs are off the Ford, and they seem to have their early season reliability issues figured out, I would look for them to make some leaps.
Yes, the rule book is there for everybody, but when the sanctioning body changes the formula between practice (where the Corvettes were fastest and the Fords relatively slow) and qualifying (where the Fords were fastest and the Corvettes relatively slow) that doesn't count as complacency in my book. There just wasn't enough time left to engineer around the weight penalty and, more importantly, air inlet size. See the linked article. http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...ts-at-le-mans/
Thanks for the post and the link. I'm sure the C7R team is pissed, I would be too. The quotes from Mr. Fehan are just about what I would have expected from any team head under similar circumstances. However, these types of games being played in testing and qualifying are as old as racing. If I were in Mr. Fehan's shoes, I think privately I'd be pissed at myself for getting out-smarted.
When someone does it to you, they're cheating, but when you outmaneuver someone else, you're just smarter. Fan perspective on these matters depends upon who you are cheering for.
I can only imagine the comments on this forum had the shoe been on the other foot, and it was Ford and Ferrari whining about getting sandbagged by Team Corvette. I have no doubts there would have been few, if any, comments about the C7 team cheating--it would all have been about them just being "smarter." :-)
The more different brands the better. Ford went all out and it paid off. The BoP formula is not perfect.
But, Corvette really needs to get their act together or they'll have a losing year.
