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Old Jun 7, 2017 | 12:20 PM
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Unfortunately, I didn't have time to upload the copy I made of this Craigslist ad before the thread was closed. I did promise to upload it at some point, so here you go folks. Not bothering with the pictures, the ad itself is the jewel here. Enjoy!

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2003 Chevy Corvette Z06 - $14000 (Dearborn) hide this posting


2003 Chevy Corvette Z06


condition: fair
cylinders: 8 cylinders
drive: rwd
fuel: gas
odometer: 104000
paint color: red
title status: clean
transmission: manual
type: coupe


2003 Chevy Corvette Z06, 104k miles, asking $14,000

Are you a dumbass? Does the prospect of fixing pre-bankruptcy GM crap excite you to no end? We both know the answer to both questions, and that's "yes." Otherwise, you wouldn't be looking at this piece of **** C5 Corvette Z06 when you can find so many other perfectly working C5Zs for decent money. You're thinking to yourself that you can fix all of the problems that this Corvette has for cheap and have yourself a turn-of-the-century plastic fantastic supercar for less than $16k all-in for the buy-in and repair.

If you're smart, turn around and go find another Corvette to buy instead of this shitbox.

But you're not. So let's get down to the brass tacks.


History of the car

The car served the majority of its life as the daily driver of some woman down in Ohio. From there, it passed to a fellow autocrosser in Kentucky who prepared the car for SCCA competition in A Street, adding the Konis, front sway bar, and a trailer hitch. Then it passed into my hands, where I proceeded to continue beating the **** out of the car at autocross events and the occasional track day event.

So if you're looking for a pristine driver, or a car that can be rescued into a pristine driver, this car isn't it. The metal front protective radiator guards are gacked, the front rubber air dam bits are held on with zip ties, and there are two cracks in the front bumper from whacking pylons at speeds up to 65mph.

Ideally, this car would continue life as an autocross car, track day beater, or dedicated wheel-to-wheel race car. But if you're a glutton for punishment, you can try to fix all the issues the car currently has and make it into a nice 15-footer for the street.


Things done to the car

Boy howdy, are there lots of problems with this car. When I go online to Google fixes for this car, what boggles my mind is how numerous and widespread the issues are, and most incredulously, the sheer acceptance of all these issues plaguing Corvettes reminds me of how Audi fanboys insist that their cars are reliable even while the interiors of their cars are lit by the warm glow of check engine lights.

Let's first run down the list of things I've done to the car.

•Replaced the hazard light switch buried in the dash. As it turns out, asking a car to have working turn signals past the 100k mile mark is too much to ask for in a car built in this millennium.

•Replaced the front passenger DRL/turn signal socket so I could signal right turns.

•Removed the HVAC control unit in order to resolder the circuit boards and replace bulbs so I can actually read what temperature the climate control is set at. Another common issue with these cars.

•Replaced the radio with an aftermarket unit that also has bluetooth.

•The "hose clamp on the rotary seat back locks" trick in an effort to keep the seat from flopping back. It works most of the time, but still sometimes flops back during autocross or track driving.

•Replaced the passenger rear wheel bearing. I have a new spare front and a new spare rear hub that comes with the car.

•Oil catch can for the engine.

•Two oil changes with Redline synthetic motor oil.

•Added trailer wiring. The previous owner added a hitch for towing a tire trailer but didn't, for some reason, add trailer wiring?

•New Continental DW tires on the wheels. Wheels are replica chromies and are pitted like hell, but they look okay from 20 feet away.



Things that were previously done to the car that I don't have any paperwork for:

•Head was serviced by no one other than Danny Popp. Car was also corner balanced, if you give a ****.

•Car has single adjustable Koni Yellows on all four corners. One of them was installed with the adjustment window facing the wrong way, so you can't adjust rebound while the car's on the ground. You can easily flip it around, if you give a ****.

•Car has a hitch. Apparently, nothing brings out cell phone cameras faster than a Corvette towing a trailer full of crap. You'll be the talk of the gas station towing tires or a motorbike with this thing.

•Dark tint that was probably okay in Kentucky that is now liable to get you pulled over in Michgian.

•Corsa cat-back exhaust was installed, though it is currently uninstalling itself as pieces drop off the car. I do have a stock OEM C5Z exhaust that goes with the car that you can install so you can have, you know, matching mufflers in the back.

•Car has a front sway bar, aka "Stranobar," from Sam Strano of Stranoparts. Sam Strano of Stranoparts has Stranobars, say I as I strain to make Sam Strano of Stranoparts and his Stranobars into a tongue twister and fail horribly. This one is probably the smaller of the sway bars he offers.



Everything that is wrong with the car so far

I have learned very quickly that these cars don't age well. Here's what's wrong so far that I know of. I'm sure that whomever buys this car will have something else fail immediately on the drive back home.

•Car leaks water like a ************. Apparently, it's a common issue that plagues many C5 FRCs, of which the C5 Z06 is an example. The solution is to remove a bunch of trim and seals, and attack the seams with a tube of silicon caulk. And here I was assuming that a watertight cabin was a fundamental engineering requirement for building a car. Stupid me. Passenger foot well accumulates water much faster than the driver side foot well.

•Squeal coming from the engine bay. I think it might be the belt tensioners, but if it's not, I've got a crank pulley and crank bolt that can go on the car. Crank pullies are advanced technology, you see, which is why it's a weak point and all C5 Corvettes eventually need theirs replaced. ******' hell.

•Noise coming from the driveline. I suspect it's coming from the torque tube. A good torque tube is included with the car -- have fun swapping that in, either as-is or, if you're smart, rebuilding it before you put it in. And if your luck is **** and it's not the torque tube, it's probably the diff. Have fun!

•Passenger side power window no longer goes up and down. Fortunately, it's stuck in the up position, so it can provide some protection against the rain until the weather overwhelms the seams on the right side of the roof, trickles water down the A-pillar, and into the passenger foot well.



Good stuff about the car

Ah yes, the only reason why the car has stuck around in my garage for so long: it's one of the best driving cars I have ever driven.

The car, being set up as an autocross car, is perfectly neutral and eminently catchable. I have never spun this car on an autocross course or on the track, and this is coming from someone who is well known in autocross circles for being able to spin a Miata multiple times in a single autocross run. There is plenty of grip, and the car is set up to rotate easily (read: it's loose), which makes this car a ******* hoot and a boot to drive. The steering, while slow, is weighty and communicative, and there's nothing like the throttle response from a naturally aspirated V8.

It's too bad the driver seat is crap and that the car cooks its engine oil after 15 minutes on a road course, but that can be solved easily with a race bucket and oil cooler if you're willing to take this car in that direction.

And when you're done releasing your inner child with some fast driving on a closed course -- because we're civilized adults, dammit -- the car is perfectly comfortable for cruising back home. The air conditioning blows cold and the heat blows hot. At highway cruise, the car gets about 28 miles per gallon. When towing a tire trailer loaded with 300 pounds of junk, the car gets 20 miles per gallon on the highway.

So I won't blame you if you decide to fix this car and try to use it as a regular street car, because the car is a lot of fun to drive. Even as I'm ranting about everything that's fucked on this car, there's a small voice inside me that whispers that the car doesn't need a lot of work to be awesome, and that I shouldn't sell my 400 horsepower Fisher Price plastic toy.

All you really need to do is spend a couple of weekends putting on all of the parts that come with the car. As my time is currently being taken up by a '66 Mustang and a '67 Morgan, I simply don't have time to do anything to this car, so it sits, forlorn, waiting for its Prince Charming to come rescue it.


The deal

I'm asking $14,000. Yes, the car is cheap. Did you just read all of the above? It's cheap for a reason.

I'm willing to entertain offers in person. Don't go trying to negotiate over the phone, text, or email. I want you to look me in the eye when you make an offer, so you can see me cringe or flat out laugh. But do make offers and lowball the hell out of me, because I want this car gone from my sight.

Once again, if you're smart, you'll have read all of this and decided that you should go look at a different car. That's good. Get lost and continue making good decisions in your life.

For the rest of you, I'll be waiting to hear from you. •do NOT contact me with unsolicited services or offers
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Old Jun 7, 2017 | 12:26 PM
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That is funny
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Old Jun 7, 2017 | 12:56 PM
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Most Z owners seem to think their vehicles are rare, priceless or worth more than all others. It's nice to see an owner with a taste of reality
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Old Jun 7, 2017 | 01:28 PM
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This is great; Truth in Advertising is alive and well! Talked me out of it, but an entertaining read.
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Old Jun 7, 2017 | 01:29 PM
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Old Jun 7, 2017 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DDaaryl
Most Z owners seem to think their vehicles are rare, priceless or worth more than all others. It's nice to see an owner with a taste of reality

hey its the truth

that ad explains why most dont drive them, they "know" whats coming lol.

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Old Jun 7, 2017 | 02:26 PM
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This has been posted several times already on the CF C5 forums.

The guy is jaded; he obviously bought an abused car (used for track, autocross, not maintained, etc.) and blaming the car for his woes. Overwhelming majority of C5/C5Z owners have great reliability, and the car is a marvel of engineering in contrast to the owner's spiteful rants.
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Old Jun 7, 2017 | 02:26 PM
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The guy is honest, but he could have done without using all the profanity in the ad. That would turn me away from it if I were interested.
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Lol that was excruciatingly honest. And people will still want to buy it.
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Cliffs: I bought a car that was beat on the track, poorly maintained, I continued the same and now I am bitching about it while I sell it.
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You would think with how over the top he was in his description, people would be able to recognize it as an attempt at creativity and humor.

Also, it sold pretty much immediately.
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Made me laugh! Kind of reads like a crude Road and Track review.
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"•Car has a hitch. Apparently, nothing brings out cell phone cameras faster than a Corvette towing a trailer full of crap. You'll be the talk of the gas station towing tires or a motorbike with this thing."
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Originally Posted by laurent_zo6
"•Car has a hitch. Apparently, nothing brings out cell phone cameras faster than a Corvette towing a trailer full of crap. You'll be the talk of the gas station towing tires or a motorbike with this thing."
Guy is dumb. Hitches on sports cars are common- they're often used to tow a set of wheels for a track day. See AMMO's Porsche on Youtube for an example.
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Old Jun 8, 2017 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmchairArchitect
Guy is dumb. Hitches on sports cars are common- they're often used to tow a set of wheels for a track day. See AMMO's Porsche on Youtube for an example.
The only dumb person I see here is you.

The general public does not expect to see trailer hitches on sports cars. His statement is spot on.
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Originally Posted by Tsumi
The only dumb person I see here is you.

The general public does not expect to see trailer hitches on sports cars. His statement is spot on.
Ok dude. Thanks for the insult; go back to your ignorance and acting like a dbag towards forum members.







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Originally Posted by ArmchairArchitect
Ok dude. Thanks for the insult; go back to your ignorance and acting like a dbag.






Since when did general public = people who track?

You can continue to wallow in your own ignorance. Rather than ignorance though it should be your elite world where everyone should be like you, and everyone that isn't is a dumbass.

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Originally Posted by Tsumi
Since when did general public = people who track?

You can continue to wallow in your own ignorance. Rather than ignorance though it should be your elite world where everyone should be like you, and everyone that isn't is a dumbass.
You have zero logic. Who said anything about "general public"? Corvette owners are car enthusiasts, and I would expect would have some basic knowledge as to why a hitch might be on a car that was used for autocross/track events (especially a C5Z owner).

He was being condescending about the hitch and trying to ensue that it was trashy; his arrogance deserves to be set straight.

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