CORVETTE RACING AT CANADIAN TIRE MOTORSPORT PARK: Eyes on The Prize
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No, as soon as 66 saw what was going on he got out of the way as much as possible. They were 3-wide and door-to-door there, and there wasn't much room for anyone to move, anywhere.
No point in conjuring up a nefarious, Ford conspiracy theory here. It was just good hard racing.
No point in conjuring up a nefarious, Ford conspiracy theory here. It was just good hard racing.
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I don't think it was anyone's fault, except Jordan's a little, but Tommy is definitely taking one for the team, with Cadillac DPI's so new...
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No, as soon as 66 saw what was going on he got out of the way as much as possible. They were 3-wide and door-to-door there, and there wasn't much room for anyone to move, anywhere.
No point in conjuring up a nefarious, Ford conspiracy theory here. It was just good hard racing.
No point in conjuring up a nefarious, Ford conspiracy theory here. It was just good hard racing.
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"TOMMY MILNER, NO. 4 MOBIL 1/SiriusXM CHEVROLET CORVETTE C7.R – EIGHTH IN GTLM: "This is never the way we’d like to end a race. I looked at the replay and it appears that the contact was due to three cars trying to occupy a space that was made for two cars. The competition in this series is very tight and, unfortunately, it is inevitable that these things will happen. The good news is that no one was injured. Corvette Racing will repair our Corvette C7.R in time for the next race, and we look forward to what we hope will be a better outcome."
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Yep, it definitely wasn't in any of the replays or on the #4 in-car camera. The 66 did not even touch the 4, but Mr. Taylor certainly did.
Taylor's hit is very clear on the 4 in-car camera. You can see the Cadillac suddenly veer left with immediate puffs of contact debris, followed by loss of control. Taylor cut in too quickly plain and simple.
Taylor's hit is very clear on the 4 in-car camera. You can see the Cadillac suddenly veer left with immediate puffs of contact debris, followed by loss of control. Taylor cut in too quickly plain and simple.
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First of all turn #4 at Mosport is one of the scarier turns on any track around - think turn 11 at Road Atlanta - so any passing move there is going to be harry. Going three wide there when the track is drying and the outer half of the track is still damp is a "no percentage" pass - it's just not going to work.
After reading Tommy's comments I looked at the video and you definitely can see that the 66 and 4 make contact before the 4 makes contact with the 10.
If you watch the video closely at the 16-19 second mark it appears as though Tommy is trying to squeeze the 66 (at least from that camera angle) weather the Ford came over on him or he squeezed the Ford it's tough to tell.
If you watch the #4 onboard camera you will see some sort of impact at the 46 second mark - after that the 4 hits the 10.
So really one may have caused the other, did the 66 hit the 4 or did the 4 come down on the 66? I'm sure Tommy was trying to make room for the 10 - the 66 may have not even saw the 10 he may have thought Tommy was just being a dick trying to squeeze him.
After reading Tommy's comments I looked at the video and you definitely can see that the 66 and 4 make contact before the 4 makes contact with the 10.
If you watch the video closely at the 16-19 second mark it appears as though Tommy is trying to squeeze the 66 (at least from that camera angle) weather the Ford came over on him or he squeezed the Ford it's tough to tell.
If you watch the #4 onboard camera you will see some sort of impact at the 46 second mark - after that the 4 hits the 10.
So really one may have caused the other, did the 66 hit the 4 or did the 4 come down on the 66? I'm sure Tommy was trying to make room for the 10 - the 66 may have not even saw the 10 he may have thought Tommy was just being a dick trying to squeeze him.
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Where did he say that? I didn't see that in the press release and I definitely didn't see that in the race or the replays. Seemed to me Jordan turned in on Tommy before he had cleared him. The Ford was close but I didn't see any contact.
"TOMMY MILNER, NO. 4 MOBIL 1/SiriusXM CHEVROLET CORVETTE C7.R – EIGHTH IN GTLM: "This is never the way we’d like to end a race. I looked at the replay and it appears that the contact was due to three cars trying to occupy a space that was made for two cars. The competition in this series is very tight and, unfortunately, it is inevitable that these things will happen. The good news is that no one was injured. Corvette Racing will repair our Corvette C7.R in time for the next race, and we look forward to what we hope will be a better outcome."
"TOMMY MILNER, NO. 4 MOBIL 1/SiriusXM CHEVROLET CORVETTE C7.R – EIGHTH IN GTLM: "This is never the way we’d like to end a race. I looked at the replay and it appears that the contact was due to three cars trying to occupy a space that was made for two cars. The competition in this series is very tight and, unfortunately, it is inevitable that these things will happen. The good news is that no one was injured. Corvette Racing will repair our Corvette C7.R in time for the next race, and we look forward to what we hope will be a better outcome."
Tommy Milner quoted this on Twitter:
Tommy Milner @TommyMilner Jul 9
Hit by 66 first then 10 checks up before clearing me into 4. Game over.
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I don't care what Milner twittered immediately after the incident, he was mistaken. It's not surprising he popped-off in the heat of the action, and then he saw the videos and realized he spoke too soon. We have too many people twittering unfortunate and inaccurate things these days without reality checks first.
The #4 in-car camera in the video above makes it very clear what happened. The 4 was pointed straight as an arrow until the 10 cut in on him. If anything the 66 FGT was on the proper line for the up-coming left hander, with 4 and 10 off-line trying to get by on the right. If you look at the video multiple times, you'll see several views of the right side of the 66 without a scratch on it after contact between the 4 and 10.
Taylor caused that accident by trying to warp-speed through on the far right when there wasn't enough room. It's surprising he didn't take out the 66 as well.
The #4 in-car camera in the video above makes it very clear what happened. The 4 was pointed straight as an arrow until the 10 cut in on him. If anything the 66 FGT was on the proper line for the up-coming left hander, with 4 and 10 off-line trying to get by on the right. If you look at the video multiple times, you'll see several views of the right side of the 66 without a scratch on it after contact between the 4 and 10.
Taylor caused that accident by trying to warp-speed through on the far right when there wasn't enough room. It's surprising he didn't take out the 66 as well.
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Here is Ricky Taylor's take on the incident. Of course, no one wants to admit fault, and in the heat of the battle, no one can probably recall exactly how it went down:
"From watching the replays, it really looked like a racing incident where there was a bit of miscommunication between the three cars going into Turn 4. Jordan made a good move to the outside and was all but about 2 inches from being clear of the Corvette when the Ford and Corvette collided, tagging Jordan in the left rear and into the wall along with the Corvette."
I think we can expect some BoP adjustments for Lime Rock for the cars and the fueling (Corvette's switch to the Le Mans fueling gear has slowed down their pit stops).
"From watching the replays, it really looked like a racing incident where there was a bit of miscommunication between the three cars going into Turn 4. Jordan made a good move to the outside and was all but about 2 inches from being clear of the Corvette when the Ford and Corvette collided, tagging Jordan in the left rear and into the wall along with the Corvette."
I think we can expect some BoP adjustments for Lime Rock for the cars and the fueling (Corvette's switch to the Le Mans fueling gear has slowed down their pit stops).
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I have to disagree with you guys, the bump with the Ford is obvious in the in-car as well as the replay, you just have to look to see it. It's not a tremendous bump right, but it's enough that 3 wide, it was the end. You guys really need to take a closer look, because it's clearly there. The question is, was Milner pinching down or was the Ford bumping in some room. There was definitely contact there.
Watch the video closely at Milners in-car view starting at about :40 into the video. At :46-:47, right as Taylor comes into view, you see Milners car make a slight move right, when he'd essentially be initiating turn in left. It was a slight coming together between him and the Ford but....it is what it is. With the speed Jordan was overtaking...can't blame him...that's multiclass racing at its best....if you want to watch single file, watch F1...lol.
Watch the video closely at Milners in-car view starting at about :40 into the video. At :46-:47, right as Taylor comes into view, you see Milners car make a slight move right, when he'd essentially be initiating turn in left. It was a slight coming together between him and the Ford but....it is what it is. With the speed Jordan was overtaking...can't blame him...that's multiclass racing at its best....if you want to watch single file, watch F1...lol.
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I have to disagree with you guys, the bump with the Ford is obvious in the in-car as well as the replay, you just have to look to see it. It's not a tremendous bump right, but it's enough that 3 wide, it was the end. You guys really need to take a closer look, because it's clearly there. The question is, was Milner pinching down or was the Ford bumping in some room. There was definitely contact there.
Watch the video closely at Milners in-car view starting at about :40 into the video. At :46-:47, right as Taylor comes into view, you see Milners car make a slight move right, when he'd essentially be initiating turn in left. It was a slight coming together between him and the Ford but....it is what it is. With the speed Jordan was overtaking...can't blame him...that's multiclass racing at its best....if you want to watch single file, watch F1...lol.
Watch the video closely at Milners in-car view starting at about :40 into the video. At :46-:47, right as Taylor comes into view, you see Milners car make a slight move right, when he'd essentially be initiating turn in left. It was a slight coming together between him and the Ford but....it is what it is. With the speed Jordan was overtaking...can't blame him...that's multiclass racing at its best....if you want to watch single file, watch F1...lol.
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Yep, I looked at the video a dozen times over and over and don't see it. If it did happen, you couldn't blame it on either the 4 or the 66, because it's impossible to say which moved toward the other, and it could have been both moved a bit. It also seems to me that 66 had the inside correct line for the left-hander.
The bottom line is that Taylor created the 3-wide situation at a place on the track where as Milner said later, "there was only room for 2 cars."
I still don't see it, and am convinced it didn't happen.
The bottom line is that Taylor created the 3-wide situation at a place on the track where as Milner said later, "there was only room for 2 cars."
I still don't see it, and am convinced it didn't happen.
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