CAD Drawings - Real "Leak" or GM Controlled?
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Dec 17, 2017, 01:05 PM
Pro
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Definitely planned "leaks" designed by PR and marketing departments to keep corvette in the "news" over and over again..
GM doesn't really spend any money advertising its halo vehicle the corvette...most of it is performance or "leaked "info on the latest and greatest advancement or model...
The payback on the corvette really has never been profit per sale but rather the halo effect it shines on the entire GM corporation as cutting edge value best in the world...
At prices normal a,ericans can afford.,,
GM doesn't really spend any money advertising its halo vehicle the corvette...most of it is performance or "leaked "info on the latest and greatest advancement or model...
The payback on the corvette really has never been profit per sale but rather the halo effect it shines on the entire GM corporation as cutting edge value best in the world...
At prices normal a,ericans can afford.,,
Wrong. These leaks are not planned. I work for one of the big 3. We are continually told we will be fired immediatedly if info is tracked back to us. My co-worker got fired on the spot for posting info on a forum after a vehicle had been publicly announced. He commented about info he thought was in the announcement but was not official yet (optional equipment). I felt bad, he waited to talk about the vehicle at the time he felt it was appropriate but he lost his job anyway.
Burning Brakes
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There’s know way to know but the account who posted this has no other posts and is actually named ZERV. So there’s a few possibilities: 1. A Corvette engineer is going to lose their job. 2. A Corvette engineer is getting a good laugh out of this. 3. These CAD files are fake or from a different car. 4. They really are creating buzz for a NAIAS debut. 5.These CAD files were being used in a presentation to dealers, higher-ups, or other important GM employees
Last edited by Steve Garrett; Dec 20, 2017 at 11:37 PM.
Burning Brakes
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I just did a reverse image search on these photos and found absolutely nothing like these, meaning that they’re either fakes that someone made at home or very real CAD drawings from GM.
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Worth noting that these are pictures taken of a computer screen, not actual screenshots.
It would be safe to assume GM does not allow engineers to plug in thumb drives and save files on any computer containing classified info.
So if it were a legit GM employee creating a leak I would expect it to be a camera pic of a computer screen just like we see here.
Just my .02
It would be safe to assume GM does not allow engineers to plug in thumb drives and save files on any computer containing classified info.
So if it were a legit GM employee creating a leak I would expect it to be a camera pic of a computer screen just like we see here.
Just my .02
Instructor
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I'm not saying it's definitely the ME... Hell it might be the 2021 Fiero for all we know haha, but I would bet money that is not a "fake" image.
CAD is work and I reaaaaallllyyy can't imagine somebody spending that amount of time designing a "fake" engine let alone the front and rear suspension designs.
I mean if that's a fake image somebody seriously designed appropriate geometry for 1/2 a car just to F*^% with corvette forum members.
I believe it IS real but no telling what it is.
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These look pretty legit, no way some rando cooked these up himself in CAD, way too detailed.
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Burning Brakes
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That's very possibly, but I don't think people are so willing to put their job on the line. Also a lot mags have said GM purposely puts stuff out and gets cars purposely "spied". But who knows right.
Racer
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No way, this was very intentional. I really don’t believe someone would risk their job for a silly photo. As far 2018 reveal, sorry to break your heart but I extremely doubt that will happen.... almost certain. We are looking at a 2019 NAIAS reveal. These photos are interesting, hopefully a ramped up LT1 making 500hp. I was really hoping for a DOHC for the base model but I guess they will use those for the forced inductions models.
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i'll start by saying these are fairly impressive and would be amazing to get our first glimpse at the mid engine vette...
however, there are other possible explanations for these...
students taking cad classes are tasked with projects that they can choose, and actually develop models of real life things or whatever...
i know that on the surface it appears to be very intricate and detailed, so much so that its very plausible this is a GM leak of some sorts.
BUT since we don't have the ACTUAL CAD files, we can't rotate the model, zoom in, or get any other sort of actual detail out of it that you would be able to with the real cad file.
i mean, there is always the possibility that someone made the image of the model with photoshop then took a pic with their phone.
the internet loves to play tricks on people, just amazing how fast this stuff spreads....
trust no one.
however, there are other possible explanations for these...
students taking cad classes are tasked with projects that they can choose, and actually develop models of real life things or whatever...
i know that on the surface it appears to be very intricate and detailed, so much so that its very plausible this is a GM leak of some sorts.
BUT since we don't have the ACTUAL CAD files, we can't rotate the model, zoom in, or get any other sort of actual detail out of it that you would be able to with the real cad file.
i mean, there is always the possibility that someone made the image of the model with photoshop then took a pic with their phone.
the internet loves to play tricks on people, just amazing how fast this stuff spreads....
trust no one.
Last edited by drewz06; Dec 15, 2017 at 08:45 AM.
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Yesterday’s GM CAD drawings were, just like the November 13, 2011 Jalopnik GM CAD drawings of the Z06, were not GM leaked! Lots of unhappiness within GM yesterday and today that they were.
For those who doubt that, ask yourself how come the two automotive media based in Detroit, has chosen not to include those drawings/info, when 8 national media have, so far, shared it.
For those who doubt that, ask yourself how come the two automotive media based in Detroit, has chosen not to include those drawings/info, when 8 national media have, so far, shared it.
Last edited by elegant; Dec 15, 2017 at 01:16 PM.
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It's like the now famous guys jumping out of the ME car to cover it....
Think about it: If they just keep on driving, the pictures get published, everyone says: "Cool, there's a mid engine Corvette". But let the guys STOP the car, frantically pull out the car cover....and NOW you get THOSE pictures published EVERYWHERE, not just enthusiast sites.
I love all this stuff and look forward to all new info, but this cloak and dagger stuff is kind of funny. In the end, I believe we see what GM wants us to see.
The "McDonalds" cars are proof...."Hey Frank, let's grab a Big Mac. OK George, 2 other guys want lunch too. Grab the keys to the mid-engine Corvettes, we'll take those."
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There's a Ford engineer on this forum who has told me in NO uncertain terms that the car companies DO NOT leak info. And I still maintain they DO, these CAD shots are just ONE more example. Who, in their right mind, would jeopardize their JOB to share this with a bunch of people they don't know on the internet? Right....NO ONE.
It's all a part of marketing 101. When you walk into a show room, the salesman tries to get you to buy their product. That's sales.
What got you into the showroom in the first place is marketing.
For example, Harley-Davidson doesn't sell motorcycles. They sell a lifestyle. Their marketing tells you that the only way to get that lifestyle is to buy an HD motorcycle.
Ditto for beers, soft-drinks, clothes, etc.
Last edited by DanSavage; Dec 16, 2017 at 11:55 AM.
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I seriously doubt these were leaked by GM. CAD drawings are some of the last things I would put out to draw customers to buy the C8.
The C7 had very similar unintended leaks through its design process as well.
The C7 had very similar unintended leaks through its design process as well.
Race Director
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They don't 'leak'. It's called building market anticipation and excitement.
It's all a part of marketing 101. When you walk into a show room, the salesman tries to get you to buy their product. That's sales.
What got you into the showroom in the first place is marketing.
For example, Harley-Davidson doesn't sell motorcycles. They sell a lifestyle. Their marketing tells you that the only way to get that lifestyle is to buy an HD motorcycle.
Ditto for beers, soft-drinks, clothes, etc.
It's all a part of marketing 101. When you walk into a show room, the salesman tries to get you to buy their product. That's sales.
What got you into the showroom in the first place is marketing.
For example, Harley-Davidson doesn't sell motorcycles. They sell a lifestyle. Their marketing tells you that the only way to get that lifestyle is to buy an HD motorcycle.
Ditto for beers, soft-drinks, clothes, etc.