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I figured there could be some sort of front air vent for the brakes?
I changed the door opening to match the spy shots a bit better and adjusted the scoop more and also redrew the mirror to be closer in size and shape to the mule.
I also removed the bottom sill kick and shaped it to what appears to be on the mule.
thoughts?
I'm really liking what I'm seeing.
You could be right about the front air vent. It's really difficult to tell as they've camouflaged this area really well.
The sill kick looks really good, too.
It's even in my favorite color.
The latest 'leak' of the rear facia should help flesh out this part of the car. It shows some sort of wrap around of the tail light area as well as the body lines of this area.
The Chinese water torture of SWMBO is continuing apace. Now, instead of simply saying 'NO!' she's asking if I'm planning to buy it new or used.
Last edited by DanSavage; Dec 16, 2017 at 08:23 PM.
You could be right about the front air vent. It's really difficult to tell as they've camouflaged this area really well.
The sill kick looks really good, too.
It's even in my favorite color.
The latest 'leak' of the rear facia should help flesh out this part of the car. It shows some sort of wrap around of the tail light area as well as the body lines of this area.
The Chinese water torture of SWMBO is continuing apace. Now, instead of simply saying 'NO!' she's asking if I'm planning to buy it new or used.
and your answer was that you can buy a new one from someone like macmulkin cheaper than you can buy a used one for at least a couple of years, and turn her into a Sweet Woman Mediating Best Offer, right?
I overlaid the side photo over your render to get an idea of the door opening. I rotated the photo and scaled it so the center of the wheels match between the two.
It looks like the rear scoop on your render is a little too far aft. Notice the amount of space between the rear wheel well opening and the bottom of the scoop. I think it needs to be on a little more acute angle, as well. (less vertical and more horizontal)
I think the fabric camouflage probably closely approximates the actual door opening, your door opening could have a more gentle curve.
and your answer was that you can buy a new one from someone like macmulkin cheaper than you can buy a used one for at least a couple of years, and turn her into a Sweet Woman Mediating Best Offer, right?
Yep. She's already a ruthless deal-maker. I'll sic her on the dealer, then stand back while the fur flies...
i have a strong feeling that gm is making sure that it has lots of cooling air available for this car since it doesn't want to repeat the cooling issues of the c7 z06. that is the reason for the tricky looking camouflage around the area where the intakes are. i'm guessing there are big intakes in the doors about a foot in front of where the rearmost edge of the doors are that feed into the large inner ducts that we see in the spy shots showing the doors open where the gm employees are scrambling to cover the car.
or, if gm has found a magic way to get cooling air from the front of the car all the way to the engine compartment routed through the giant ducts in the doors, there might be no side scoops at all and the tricky stuff on the sides might all be fake news. there appears to be some curved molding on the drivers side that could be an air scoop but isn't matched on the passenger side.
I am not too clear on the scoop in this configuration with the door opening. I'm sure if we sat and compared all the images with the doors open and closed and visualized the end view we may be able to figure out what's going on there. In some views it does look like a tunnel in the door but in others it doesn't.
Thanks for the leaked rear end cad. I incorporated it in the latest render.
I stretched the scoop as suggested but left the door opening out because I don't think they would split the scoop..would they? I also only suggest the rear as I did it quick and am not sure how the defuser and bottom skirt will work yet.
Last edited by firstvettesoon; Dec 16, 2017 at 10:41 PM.
I am not too clear on the scoop in this configuration with the door opening. I'm sure if we sat and compared all the images with the doors open and closed and visualized the end view we may be able to figure out what's going on there. In some views it does look like a tunnel in the door but in others it doesn't.
Thanks for the leaked rear end cad. I incorporated it in the latest render.
I stretched the scoop as suggested but left the door opening out because I don't think they would split the scoop..would they? I also only suggest the rear as I did it quick and am not sure how the defuser and bottom skirt will work yet.
Yep. That's the line I'm seeing with the rear scoop.
They split the exit scoop on the C5. Here's what I'm seeing. Let me play with the shape of the rear scoop a little bit.
Last edited by DanSavage; Dec 16, 2017 at 11:58 PM.
Yep. That's the line I'm seeing with the rear scoop.
They split the exit scoop on the C5. Here's what I'm seeing. Let me play with the shape of the rear scoop a little bit.
Have fun. Make any other changes you think help too. May not have the plastic/CF vent cover at all. But they didn't split the scoop mid line i=on the edge so it may be difficult to make work. If it were me designing it, I would avoid that at all costs !
Are there other cars that do it in a similar way?
Last edited by firstvettesoon; Dec 17, 2017 at 05:05 PM.
I am going to get an ME, though swallowing hard in view of our 53 vehicles in a row only having a manual transmission. I think the final version will take off from the above rendering, and be even more beautiful. GM design is on a roll the last five/six years and I expect it to continue with the ME! Michael Simpcoe has commented that his career will be judged by how the ME looks, and with Tom Peters and Kirk Bennion, who actively/intricately bought us a lot of the C7’s design, both continuing on through the ME, I am very optimistic!
At the same time, re the above rendering, I am hoping, wishing and more that the front end of the car is just one inch longer — for IMO that would greatly improve its looks.
Here are a few mule shots to visualize the side vent/scoop.
These are not the latest McD images but have a look at where the vent starts. After the door and the shape/size. Maybe the McD shots are a disguise.? You can see the scoop start at the bottom sill and curves up a few inches then back.
Of course all this could have changed/evolved since the early vents.
Maybe they bring back the CERV design for the scoop? They did split part of it, but with a wing door.
Wow! That is, IMO, very, very close.
The really cool thing is that something like this, could, possibly, replace my C5 AE50 as my daily driver.
FWIW, I work near Newport Beach, CA., where I see Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Maseratis every single day. I can't wait to drive a hum-drum GM (850HP) Corvette like this.
Last edited by DanSavage; Dec 17, 2017 at 09:11 PM.
Here are a few mule shots to visualize the side vent/scoop.
These are not the latest McD images but have a look at where the vent starts. After the door and the shape/size. Maybe the McD shots are a disguise.? You can see the scoop start at the bottom sill and curves up a few inches then back.
Of course all this could have changed/evolved since the early vents.
the door has an extension at the rear that contains an almost vertical scoop that starts a foot or two from the rear edge of the door, probably sticks out 4 to 6 inches. i think the curved "scoop" on the left side under the camouflage is fake. i can enlarge on my computer to 300% and if you can do that and look at #6 in the photo link i posted and your picture numbers 3, 4 and 5 you will come to the same conclusion that i did.
the dividing line between the light and dark camouflage/cover in your pictures #3, 4 and 5 is almost certainly the actual position and slant of the real scoop.
the door has an extension at the rear that contains an almost vertical scoop that starts a foot or two from the rear edge of the door, probably sticks out 4 to 6 inches. i think the curved "scoop" on the left side under the camouflage is fake. i can enlarge on my computer to 300% and if you can do that and look at #6 in the photo link i posted and your picture numbers 3, 4 and 5 you will come to the same conclusion that i did.
the dividing line between the light and dark camouflage/cover in your pictures #3, 4 and 5 is almost certainly the actual position and slant of the real scoop.
You could be right with that assessment on these images...but these are the first mules.
The Drone images do show a strange situation of what looks to be an air tunnel in the door but it sticks WAY out so not sure it would stay that way.
The McDonald's cars have different panels and features and overall looks a different shape. The doors are covered on the McD cars and the sill is different so I figured the scoop has been changed as far as appearance. Maybe the position has remained the same.
I am not sure the scoop will be like the last version I posted. To me, it is a little dated...at least the way I depicted it. It is Corvette-ish but not revolutionary as promised from GM.
