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A 100 dry shot would do wonders for you IATs and you wouldn't be tricking any sensors by bathing them in meth!
That was kind of my thought as well, but a few people I trust have been less than enthusiastic about putting nitrous on the car. They'd rather I skip both of these options and just go A2W now and not add any other variables into the airstream....but I am trying to find a solution that I can have in the car before the 1/2 mile event in November and the shop is too busy right now to take on a custom A2W setup with the TX Mile coming up in a few weeks which they live for. So for now the solution is meth or nitrous best I can tell.
Last edited by lane_change; 10-09-2017 at 02:32 PM.
That was kind of my thought as well, but a few people I trust have been less than enthusiastic about putting nitrous on the car. They'd rather I skip both of these options and just go A2W now and not add any other variables into the airstream....but I am trying to find a solution that I can have in the car before the 1/2 mile event in November and the shop is too busy right now to take on a custom A2W setup with the TX Mile coming up in a few weeks which they live for. So for now the solution is meth or nitrous best I can tell.
I can see what the shop mean. Always better to get the intercooling right first rather than band aid it with meth / n2o from the get go! If you have amazing intercooling you can still add meth / n2o for even cooler intake temps and better performance.
Has the shop looked at the Procharger a2w? It should be ready to go!
Decided before we add anything new to the system, we are going to install EGT sensors in the header so we can monitor the temps to see if the E85 cooling properties, which are occurring after the manifold temperature sensor, are making enough of an impact on the cylinder temps and to see what effect our timing reduction is having towards the EGT temps. Part of me is curious if the E85 being injected into the intake manifold runners and DI system are keeping cylinder temps at a safe enough temperature to not require the timing to be retarded based on air temps happening before it comes in contact with the fuel. If so, great. If not, well then we will continue down the path we are planning on to reduce air temperatures via an A2W, meth injection, or nitrous. Hoping to have some results next week.
Decided before we add anything new to the system, we are going to install EGT sensors in the header so we can monitor the temps to see if the E85 cooling properties, which are occurring after the manifold temperature sensor, are making enough of an impact on the cylinder temps and to see what effect our timing reduction is having towards the EGT temps. Part of me is curious if the E85 being injected into the intake manifold runners and DI system are keeping cylinder temps at a safe enough temperature to not require the timing to be retarded based on air temps happening before it comes in contact with the fuel. If so, great. If not, well then we will continue down the path we are planning on to reduce air temperatures via an A2W, meth injection, or nitrous. Hoping to have some results next week.
On a set up like this just a little more $ to be able to read all 8 holes is a smart move buddy let us know what she is doing on the pulls. Robert
Decided before we add anything new to the system, we are going to install EGT sensors in the header so we can monitor the temps to see if the E85 cooling properties, which are occurring after the manifold temperature sensor, are making enough of an impact on the cylinder temps and to see what effect our timing reduction is having towards the EGT temps. Part of me is curious if the E85 being injected into the intake manifold runners and DI system are keeping cylinder temps at a safe enough temperature to not require the timing to be retarded based on air temps happening before it comes in contact with the fuel. If so, great. If not, well then we will continue down the path we are planning on to reduce air temperatures via an A2W, meth injection, or nitrous. Hoping to have some results next week.
with e85 you may have enough cooling to where the intercooler isn't as necessary
quite a few drag guys drop it or run air 2 water as you recommend which are less restrictive
how much hp and boost are you targeting so you can figure out how much pressure drop the intercooler burdens the system to provide cooling.
if you aren't running ridiculous boost and timing, the e85 may be all you need.
if you are pushing it. I like e85 plus pure meth injection for the cooling
I went f1a94.. 820 rwhp on a super conservative mustang dyno.. port injection is set up on intake manifold.. doing fore pumps.. motec 130 to run port injection and hopefully motec 182 to replace factory ecu.. I'm at 16.2 pounds on pump and meth on a 9percent lower and 4.5 upper.. e85 and hopefully more boost to come!!
Surely you are better to remove as much heat as you can before the air gets into the cylinders? I know a centri can't automatically adjust for any reduction in pressure as a result of cooling the intake charge but a cooler intake charge has to be better! Any chemical intercooling on top of that is only going to help things even further!
This is an awesome build. Just read the whole thing. Port injection on E85 and MoTec control really sparks my interest. I believe we will be at the Dallas half mile with our shop GTR, so hoping to see this thing make some passes there!
I think that is unfortunately going to be the plan for now....got to get it cooled off somehow. Will go A2W and remove the meth in the future, but before the 1/2 mile I think this will be the only way to keep her cool without using nitrous.....hmmmm....now that I say that out loud?
A friend told me about a product called the Killer Chiller which uses a refrigerant. Standalone system or can tap into A/C lines. Would that solve the issue? He just put one on his ZR1 build.
A friend told me about a product called the Killer Chiller which uses a refrigerant. Standalone system or can tap into A/C lines. Would that solve the issue? He just put one on his ZR1 build.
Man that is old school techniques. I saw this setup on a Z06 a couple weeks ago at WGF in Dallas and it looked like a total hack job.
A friend told me about a product called the Killer Chiller which uses a refrigerant. Standalone system or can tap into A/C lines. Would that solve the issue? He just put one on his ZR1 build.
Whatever u do, don't do standalone Chiller. Been there, done that....
However, traditional chillers work quite well, just make sure the heat exchanger is big enough. I have a chiller on my V and sub ambient IAT's are the norm even on a twin 6870/427 setup. I have yet to find one of the three kit makers that makes one specifically for the C7.
A friend told me about a product called the Killer Chiller which uses a refrigerant. Standalone system or can tap into A/C lines. Would that solve the issue? He just put one on his ZR1 build.
Going to need an air to water system to make that work. Think the OP was sticking with air to air?...
What would be interesting is using both the air to air AND an air to water setup with either iced water or chiller cooled water. Combined should get IATs down nice and low!
What would be interesting is using both the air to air AND an air to water setup with either iced water or chiller cooled water. Combined should get IATs down nice and low!
With adequately sized heated exchanger and cooling element (intake tract), it would be redundant...see pic for what is possible with well done chiller setup.
Chiller isn’t magic or all that complicated...just gives u ice like performance 24/7 vs having to add ice.
With adequately sized heated exchanger and cooling element (intake tract), it would be redundant...see pic for what is possible with well done chiller setup.
Chiller isn’t magic or all that complicated...just gives u ice like performance 24/7 vs having to add ice.
Understand how they work. Issue is how fast the water would heat up during the run though. And can you carry enough water to keep it cool the whole run? With the PC intercooler you can remove a load of heat and the. Finish it off with the intake mounted cooler. Only issue would be if the PC intercooler is adding a massive restriction and causing a big pressure drop.
Also I think even if you removed the PC intercooler you would still need to fab a pipe up to replace it as it's going to be difficult getting the PC outlet to the TB without very tight bends. Would be nice the the PC chargecooler in more detail. I can only find limited pics on google.
Haven't really updated this lately....but...a few things have changed.
Procharger F1X - Sold and Gone.
Custom M2K Single Turbo Kit going on using a Precision 88mm BB rear mount setup. We still have the same A2W intercooler and killer chiller setup we will be using for the IAT's. Intake Manifold is still being debated between the LME Billet and the new Precision Metalcraft Billet. Motec will still be in charge of the fueling and boost, but the injectors for the secondary port injection are now ID1300's. Hoping to have the car ready for testing before TX2K....but who knows. Quite a few things left to finish, but it's getting close.
10-09-2017, 12:33 AM
On a set up like this just a little more $ to be able to read all 8 holes is a smart move buddy let us know what she is doing on the pulls. 
