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Old Apr 5, 2018 | 02:07 AM
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What’s a shop ordered car?
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Originally Posted by MrTrim
I know that "IF" you either were some one or knew someone you could have your car customized/updated by GM. Now my question is, how can this effect value, NCRS judging or collectibility? Also is there any list as to how many Shop order cars were built? I know this is an open ended question but I haven't seen this discussed here before. I'm not talking about a COPO car but only the Shop order cars just too be clear.
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The only cars treated like that were Fords, for some guys high-to-mid-level guys, off the record.

GM did that stuff for one or two top guys in corporate (like a head of styling)and the division heads, that's it. Any Corvettes that received that kind of treatment are now generally already well-known and expensive.

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And if they aren't already well known and that variable priced in - you'd have the dickens of a time proving such a thing. About like the BB hoods on SB cars. Hence, if all you have is word-of-mouth the NCRS and buyers won't care one whit...
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Originally Posted by Vettrocious
The only cars treated like that were Fords, for some guys high-to-mid-level guys, off the record.

GM did that stuff for one or two top guys in corporate (like a head of styling)and the division heads, that's it. Any Corvettes that received that kind of treatment are now generally already well-known and expensive.
Here's a Shop Order tag on a '61 Impala that used to be owned by Dale Armstrong.

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Can anyone explain what you mean by shop ordered cars? The special cars known where just standard production line cars that got sent to GMs styling center to be modified to request.
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Keith,
Like this one of one.

http://www.67fso.com/

I am betting if original, it is more like you described.
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Can anyone explain what you mean by shop ordered cars? The special cars known where just standard production line cars that got sent to GMs styling center to be modified to request.
That is precisely what they are. In many cases they were built with equipment combinations that were not available in normal production, such as adding A/C to the '61 409 car that Dale Armstrong had, or Pete Estes '67 Z-28 convertible.

John Hinckley can fill in a lot more detail on Shop Order cars than I can.

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Originally Posted by MrTrim
The reason I ask is I know of one that hasen't seen the light of day for 50 years and has the shop order tag mounted on the firewall. Like all weird stuff, sometimes they are still out there hidden and unknown. If it can be documented. Where would I look to for information or whom to ask?
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Other then the tag, what is unique about it? What does the current owner claim about it? I am guessing that there are very few, if any, people that have intimate knowledge of the process and how you would authenticate it. The tag is probably the place to start. Post pics.
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My 64 Coupe was delivered to Dealer 180 Zone 0 The name and location for the Dealer was GM Design Group MI according to the Shipping Data Report
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Originally Posted by W Guy
That is precisely what they are. In many cases they were built with equipment combinations that were not available in normal production, such as adding A/C to the '61 409 car that Dale Armstrong had, or Pete Estes '67 Z-28 convertible.

John Hinckley can fill in a lot more detail on Shop Order cars than I can.

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Juts a minor clarification, I believe that Pete Estes Z/28 convertible was a 1968.
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Also, if I understand correctly, Shop Order (SO) cars are cars that are modified by GM after they are essentially build.

I am not sure they could be called factory original cars. They were built, then sent to "styling" or "engineering".

Correct me if I have this wrong.
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I agree with Frankie, in that, with all the expert counterfeiting that is happing with Vettes these days, you better have a lot more documented history than just a tag to prove it's a real GM-done aberration.

Those tags are pretty easy to fake...

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keith,
like this one of one.

http://www.67fso.com/

i am betting if original, it is more like you described.
exactly
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Old Apr 5, 2018 | 02:21 PM
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I am always skeptical when someone wants to keep something like this under wraps. For what reason? So they can make some big entrance at a show? Now, if you are trying to buy it, I understand the reservation to reveal details.
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If you want to be so secret about it, why bring it up for discussion?
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