C7 Aero Balance with GM Aero
07-12-2019, 02:21 PM
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LOOOOOOOOTS of GTR's have shown up at TDE and driven very poorly but they're so damn fast and they typically just don't get it. "faster on the straight" = faster to them. I'm pretty sure thats why Rick has an aversion lol.
TDE's red group has gotten pretty bad tho. The last time I was out there, it was just a **** show. Most of the drivers are casuals. I still think that TDE has the best program when it comes to teaching new students but it kind of falls off a little later. I think part of the problem is that they talk like the red run group is the pinnacle of driving so lots of those guys are slow and don't realize it thats's all they ever do is TDE so they dont really have a lot of exposure to faster drivers.
Red group is safe just not fast is what i mean by bad. They're all pretty good drivers safety wise and dont really have a problem getting stuck behind anyone.
We have a track junkies discord going if you want to get in on that, its mostly Texas area racers. We talk about events, car setups, builds etc.
Most of which are with NASA but we have HPDE guys too. it's a fun chat.
Also no kidding it's hot as hell I'm not exactly looking forward to next weekend or the TMS event. May even take a break until NOLA in october.
TDE's red group has gotten pretty bad tho. The last time I was out there, it was just a **** show. Most of the drivers are casuals. I still think that TDE has the best program when it comes to teaching new students but it kind of falls off a little later. I think part of the problem is that they talk like the red run group is the pinnacle of driving so lots of those guys are slow and don't realize it thats's all they ever do is TDE so they dont really have a lot of exposure to faster drivers.
Red group is safe just not fast is what i mean by bad. They're all pretty good drivers safety wise and dont really have a problem getting stuck behind anyone.
We have a track junkies discord going if you want to get in on that, its mostly Texas area racers. We talk about events, car setups, builds etc.
Most of which are with NASA but we have HPDE guys too. it's a fun chat.
Also no kidding it's hot as hell I'm not exactly looking forward to next weekend or the TMS event. May even take a break until NOLA in october.
07-12-2019, 03:26 PM
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07-21-2019, 10:38 AM
#25
That 7 mph was compared to you or to his previous speeds?
07-21-2019, 05:41 PM
#26
Edit: speed and lateral G vs distance would help explain what's going on on that big banking turn. Is it the size of his gonads or actual aero affecting the car?
Last edited by BrunoTheMellow; 07-21-2019 at 06:01 PM.
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07-21-2019, 09:21 PM
#27
Graph lateral G vs distance.
07-22-2019, 09:10 AM
#28
Wow I wonder if just with the stage 3 center wicker you could match his aero. All he has over you is a trunk mounted wing no? I thought the acs front matched the OEM front stange 3.
07-22-2019, 10:02 AM
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The speed differential is attributed to the time to throttle on corner exit.
One driver is over slowing, braking sooner but going to gas sooner. The other driver is slowing fine but being kind of a prude with the throttle.
Both drivers are severely under driving their respective car. 1.36 G on RR's really?
ETA: NT01's aren't even in the same ballpark has RR's btw.
RR's are closer to Hoosier R7's than they are NT01.
One driver is over slowing, braking sooner but going to gas sooner. The other driver is slowing fine but being kind of a prude with the throttle.
Both drivers are severely under driving their respective car. 1.36 G on RR's really?
ETA: NT01's aren't even in the same ballpark has RR's btw.
RR's are closer to Hoosier R7's than they are NT01.
Last edited by lobsterroboto; 07-22-2019 at 10:04 AM.
07-22-2019, 10:38 AM
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The speed differential is attributed to the time to throttle on corner exit.
One driver is over slowing, braking sooner but going to gas sooner. The other driver is slowing fine but being kind of a prude with the throttle.
Both drivers are severely under driving their respective car. 1.36 G on RR's really?
ETA: NT01's aren't even in the same ballpark has RR's btw.
RR's are closer to Hoosier R7's than they are NT01.
One driver is over slowing, braking sooner but going to gas sooner. The other driver is slowing fine but being kind of a prude with the throttle.
Both drivers are severely under driving their respective car. 1.36 G on RR's really?
ETA: NT01's aren't even in the same ballpark has RR's btw.
RR's are closer to Hoosier R7's than they are NT01.
07-22-2019, 10:50 AM
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Nothing about this data indicates to me that one car is better/worse with/without aero.
It's barely comparable to begin with. The only comparable factors are that they have cars on the same track if we ignore, suspension, tires, driver skill disparity etc.
07-22-2019, 07:37 PM
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APR has a second set of canards on the bumper plus rear tunnels (not just flimsy bolt on strakes) and undertray. OEM stage 3 won't get there.
07-22-2019, 08:04 PM
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The speed differential is attributed to the time to throttle on corner exit.
One driver is over slowing, braking sooner but going to gas sooner. The other driver is slowing fine but being kind of a prude with the throttle.
Both drivers are severely under driving their respective car. 1.36 G on RR's really?
ETA: NT01's aren't even in the same ballpark has RR's btw.
RR's are closer to Hoosier R7's than they are NT01.
One driver is over slowing, braking sooner but going to gas sooner. The other driver is slowing fine but being kind of a prude with the throttle.
Both drivers are severely under driving their respective car. 1.36 G on RR's really?
ETA: NT01's aren't even in the same ballpark has RR's btw.
RR's are closer to Hoosier R7's than they are NT01.
We know the difference between RRs and NT01s.
Sorry to disappoint you by not being out there pushing at 10/10s. Note to self.....never post data. Not worth the hassle.
07-22-2019, 08:28 PM
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Nice assumptions, too bad most are wrong or being made without asking about context....such as the fact it was near 100*, or that it was a 7/10s shake-down cruise to get a feel for the aero, or that the blue car was running 275s up front so it had a ton of push.
We know the difference between RRs and NT01s.
Sorry to disappoint you by not being out there pushing at 10/10s. Note to self.....never post data. Not worth the hassle.
We know the difference between RRs and NT01s.
Sorry to disappoint you by not being out there pushing at 10/10s. Note to self.....never post data. Not worth the hassle.
You should do a baseline test at your own pace with similar weather conditions, make changes and test again or at the least your friend should provide you before/after data to compare to your own.
It just gets amplified that there are so many things that have a massive impact on the data and its not enough to come to the conclusion you have at all.
In this case the context is irrelevant. 7/10ths or 10/10ths or 1/10ths doesn't matter. comparing how fast you eat an apple vs how fast you drink lemonade helps you determine how fast a swallow flies isn't ever going to work regardless of how much data you have on each.