Notices
C6 Corvette ZR1 & Z06 General info about GM’s Corvette Supercar, LS9 Corvette Technical Info, Performance Upgrades, Suspension Setup for Street or Track
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Kraken

[ZR1] ZR1 ,C6's, have steering rack failures

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-08-2013, 03:38 PM
  #1  
Biev
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Biev's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Location: Las Vegas Nevada
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default ZR1 ,C6's, have steering rack failures

Just found out that Zr1's and other C6's with the wider tires are having steering rack failures (rack and pinion) . The failures are attributed to the extra strain the wide tires place on the components when turning at slow speeds. If your car is handling and steering tightly and then becomes twitchy, tracking the road and a slight clunk is felt in the steering wheel you have a failed steering rack. You can feel the very slight clunk at dead center by rocking the wheel back and forth very slightly.
A bulletin has been issued. GM is apparently working with the supplier to correct the weak point of the rack.
Something as simple as tight turns in a parking lot can cause a failure.
Old 05-08-2013, 03:57 PM
  #2  
CABO-Z16
Advanced
 
CABO-Z16's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Do you have the bulletin info? I had my sterring rack replaced on my 2012 GS with 4K miles. I understand that components can fail however, was not happy that replacement was a remanufactured unit.
Old 05-08-2013, 04:04 PM
  #3  
Biev
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Biev's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Location: Las Vegas Nevada
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The Chev dealer in Lake Havasu City showed me the bulletin. Yes they are using reman parts and are at the suppliers trying to get a properly designed and built rack to replace the existing ones as they fail. I was told the ZR1's and GS and any others with the large/wider tires are subject to failure. I had 5 replaced on my 2010 ZR1 and now this will be the 2nd on on my new 2013 ZR1. I use my car as my daily driver.........
Old 05-08-2013, 04:23 PM
  #4  
JDRacing
Drifting
 
JDRacing's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2006
Location: Vacaville CA
Posts: 1,336
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Thanks for sharing this, Biev. Do you have a sense of whether this is something the dealers will replace (assuming the steering rack has failed) regardless of whether the car is still under the 3 year/36K mile warranty? In other words, any sense of whether this is a recall/safety issue?

I assume it isn't covered under the 5 year/100K mile powertrain warranty.
Old 05-08-2013, 05:58 PM
  #5  
Biev
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Biev's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Location: Las Vegas Nevada
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I'm just one person, suggest bringing this up with your dealer and posting the results of your conversation. I personally think this is a safety matter.
Old 05-08-2013, 10:21 PM
  #6  
Biev
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Biev's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Location: Las Vegas Nevada
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

ttt
Old 05-08-2013, 10:25 PM
  #7  
Gary '09 C6
Race Director
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Gary '09 C6's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2010
Location: Houston TX
Posts: 12,633
Received 454 Likes on 399 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Biev
I'm just one person, suggest bringing this up with your dealer and posting the results of your conversation. I personally think this is a safety matter.

I'd say that failed parts affecting the steering mechanism on the car are a safety matter.

so far, my car is fine, but something else to watch...thx.
Old 05-09-2013, 07:17 AM
  #8  
GOLD72
Race Director
 
GOLD72's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2000
Location: Missouri City, TX
Posts: 10,070
Received 1,105 Likes on 718 Posts

Default

Never seen nor heard of such a problem. Over 150k miles accumulated in C5 and C6 cars.
Old 05-09-2013, 08:08 AM
  #9  
Biev
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Biev's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Location: Las Vegas Nevada
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Next time you're at your dealer ask them to look up the bulletin. Service manager at Havasu Chev dealership found it very quickly.
Old 05-09-2013, 08:48 AM
  #10  
mdz06vetter
Melting Slicks
 
mdz06vetter's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2002
Location: Severn Maryland
Posts: 2,500
Received 106 Likes on 90 Posts
St. Jude Donor '05-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15

Default

Okay, went to the NHTSA site and there are currently TWENTY (20) service bulletins issued for 2010 Chevrolet Corvette and NOT one of them deals with what has been discussed in this thread
Old 05-09-2013, 09:01 AM
  #11  
Biev
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Biev's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Location: Las Vegas Nevada
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

When my 2013 ZR1 was repaired on March 19, 2013 the bulletin was at the dealership, What else can I tell you. Check with your dealer!! Work order quotes Doc ID# 2912839. Maybe this will help you find the bulletin.
Old 05-09-2013, 10:43 AM
  #12  
0Anthony @ LGMotorsports
Former Vendor
 
Anthony @ LGMotorsports's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Lewisville TX
Posts: 16,898
Received 406 Likes on 300 Posts
St. Jude Donor '03-'04-'05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13


Default

This is what we have seen and what we use.

All of the race cars, including the ALMS GT2 Corvette have used stock, OEM racks with no changes other than the outer tie rods. For the most part we have had no issues with them.

In the last few years we have had failures with them as well with the GrandAm car and the latest W.C. Corvette.

Now all of the cars had NEW GM racks save for what we have had coming in lately which are all reman units. The reman units have all had issues from pressure seals leaking, to the hardlines on the units actually breaking. Even had one loose the mount to the cradle. Never anything to cause a crash but still isn't a good thing.

With that being said, I don't think a stock ZR1 is going to put any more stress on that rack than the ALMS car did......but if they are in fact using a reman unit on the cars coming out of the factory....that could be the issue.

I do know for the last 3 years you can not purchase a NEW rack from GM.



Haven't seen the bulletin but it might be worth a look at the rack to see if there is a different PN other than GM on the ones that are breaking.
The following users liked this post:
vader03 (01-16-2018)
Old 05-09-2013, 11:01 AM
  #13  
Biev
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Biev's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Location: Las Vegas Nevada
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The details that I have been sharing ie: slow speed strain when doing tight turns with Zr1's and other corvettes with similar size tires causing steering rack failure comes directly from the horses mouth .
"Group Manager, Brand Quality Performance Cars / Corvette"
They are saying that when you turn sharp and can feel the scuffing ( extra strain) with the wide tires this is the start that's causing the trouble. I use my car as a daily driver and getting in and out of my garage requires a sharp turn twice just to get out and again twice to get back in.
Just wish they would come up with a fix ......... they have been talking about since last December.
Old 05-09-2013, 11:23 AM
  #14  
0Anthony @ LGMotorsports
Former Vendor
 
Anthony @ LGMotorsports's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Lewisville TX
Posts: 16,898
Received 406 Likes on 300 Posts
St. Jude Donor '03-'04-'05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13


Default

Originally Posted by Biev
The details that I have been sharing ie: slow speed strain when doing tight turns with Zr1's and other corvettes with similar size tires causing steering rack failure comes directly from the horses mouth .
"Group Manager, Brand Quality Performance Cars / Corvette"
They are saying that when you turn sharp and can feel the scuffing ( extra strain) with the wide tires this is the start that's causing the trouble. I use my car as a daily driver and getting in and out of my garage requires a sharp turn twice just to get out and again twice to get back in.
Just wish they would come up with a fix ......... they have been talking about since last December.

Not saying it isn't a possible cause, just letting you know what we have seen here. Given the 18x12" front wheels and slicks on the ALMS car....I'm going to say it has a bit more strain on it.

The hopping and scuffing is a combination of tire size, compound, and camber. Doesn't help matters.
Old 05-09-2013, 11:31 AM
  #15  
Biev
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Biev's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Location: Las Vegas Nevada
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I know the Chief Instructor out at Spring Mtn track and they are not having any of these problems, ??? So it seems the track doesn't cause a problem.
The first rack failed on the 2013 after 3000 miles at a parking lot when shopping at a boutique mall, very tight parking and laneways. Doesn't this seem absurd !!!
Old 05-09-2013, 12:46 PM
  #16  
0Anthony @ LGMotorsports
Former Vendor
 
Anthony @ LGMotorsports's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Lewisville TX
Posts: 16,898
Received 406 Likes on 300 Posts
St. Jude Donor '03-'04-'05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13


Default

Originally Posted by Biev
I know the Chief Instructor out at Spring Mtn track and they are not having any of these problems, ??? So it seems the track doesn't cause a problem.
The first rack failed on the 2013 after 3000 miles at a parking lot when shopping at a boutique mall, very tight parking and laneways. Doesn't this seem absurd !!!
See that is just it....after 2010 you coudn't get a new rack and all of those have failed.
Old 05-09-2013, 10:22 PM
  #17  
Biev
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Biev's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Location: Las Vegas Nevada
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

ttt

Get notified of new replies

To ZR1 ,C6's, have steering rack failures

Old 05-10-2013, 08:56 AM
  #18  
Biev
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Biev's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Location: Las Vegas Nevada
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Just got off the phone with GM and they are waiting for a call back from the Rack and pinion supplier to see they have a remedy.
This failure has been duplicated by GM engineering and something as simple as sitting still and turning wheel lock to lock can snap an internal part inside the rack. .............................
Old 05-10-2013, 12:42 PM
  #19  
mdz06vetter
Melting Slicks
 
mdz06vetter's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2002
Location: Severn Maryland
Posts: 2,500
Received 106 Likes on 90 Posts
St. Jude Donor '05-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15

Default

Originally Posted by Biev
When my 2013 ZR1 was repaired on March 19, 2013 the bulletin was at the dealership, What else can I tell you. Check with your dealer!! Work order quotes Doc ID# 2912839. Maybe this will help you find the bulletin.
That Doc ID is NOT a NHTSA Service Bulletin number - so, this must something internal to GM
Old 05-10-2013, 11:13 PM
  #20  
Biev
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Biev's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2009
Location: Las Vegas Nevada
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

ttt


Quick Reply: [ZR1] ZR1 ,C6's, have steering rack failures



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:46 PM.