Doing the Math
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Doing the Math
The recent Motor Trend review of the new ZL1 1LE said Randy Pobst got a 1:34.10 at Laguna Seca in it...impressive! Now remember Randy had gotten 1:33.05 on the same track in the Z06 /w Z07 on what he called a "green track" day / not in the best conditions. His Viper ACR time on the same day (1:30.46) was off from his previous best of 1.28.65 in better track conditions.
The ZL1 1LE got 7:16.04 at the Ring (officially) and unofficially a 7:13.
Few different ways of doing the math to extrapolate what the C7 Z06 would likely be capable of at the Ring:
Most conservative (using the green track LS time as a ratio to a Ring time equal to ZL1 1LE's LS time vs Official Ring time) = 7:11.18.
More reasonable (using the green LS time as a ratio to a Ring time equal to the ZL1 1LE's LS time vs Unofficial Ring time) = 7:08.17
Or if we do two steps of math, the first being to adjust the Z06 green LS track time to a Z06 ideal conditions LS track time based on the time difference between the ACR's green LS time vs ideal LS time we get a LS time of 1:31.18, which results Ring times of 7:02.56 and 6:59.6 when applied against the ZL1 1LE's official and official times, respectively.
Or if we take an average of all 4 we get 7:05.38.
Whichever it is, it's probably likely that the new ZR1 could at least hit the most aggressive math for the Z06, i.e. the 6:59.60 time
The ZL1 1LE got 7:16.04 at the Ring (officially) and unofficially a 7:13.
Few different ways of doing the math to extrapolate what the C7 Z06 would likely be capable of at the Ring:
Most conservative (using the green track LS time as a ratio to a Ring time equal to ZL1 1LE's LS time vs Official Ring time) = 7:11.18.
More reasonable (using the green LS time as a ratio to a Ring time equal to the ZL1 1LE's LS time vs Unofficial Ring time) = 7:08.17
Or if we do two steps of math, the first being to adjust the Z06 green LS track time to a Z06 ideal conditions LS track time based on the time difference between the ACR's green LS time vs ideal LS time we get a LS time of 1:31.18, which results Ring times of 7:02.56 and 6:59.6 when applied against the ZL1 1LE's official and official times, respectively.
Or if we take an average of all 4 we get 7:05.38.
Whichever it is, it's probably likely that the new ZR1 could at least hit the most aggressive math for the Z06, i.e. the 6:59.60 time
Last edited by Achmed; 06-27-2017 at 06:04 PM.
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Jokes aside I do think there above formulas yield something the Z06 is capable of. I believe JVP that it beat a 7:10, I think he even implied it was by several seconds and less than the aftermarket Nismo GTR.
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this thread is about the z06 not the Camaro, I could have used any other vehicle that has been on a track with the Z06 and that also has a Ring tie to do a similar calculation but ended up using the Camaro's just because it's new I guess, and because it's a Chevy too.
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It got swept away. Cuz, in here, God forbid the Z get compared to anything as any basis of discussion about the Z.
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And if Pigs had Wings....
Fact is, all numbers are BS and speculation. There will never be a C7Z Ring time.
Fact is, all numbers are BS and speculation. There will never be a C7Z Ring time.
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Melting Slicks
The picture is from 2 days ago and it was right near the Ring (the photographer lives near the Ring and has taken tons of shots of cars currently there).
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Edit: Also the thread title is going to ruffle some feathers as it could be seen as a swipe at Tadge The Immaculate.
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Not holding my breath, but maybe they have the "non overheating 2017 version" giving it a shot.
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Shame we won't ever get a time for 2015 & 16' to compare it to.
Last edited by Hirohawa; 06-27-2017 at 07:46 PM.
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Melting Slicks
LISTEN CLOSE! There is a reason that GM has never given up any info on the Ring. They know the reason. We don't. There will be no release of that information ever and, until someone else jumps on that baby with a Z.... stop holding your breath. Think about it. They just grabbed a HUGE demographic with that ZL-1. Will it be smart to then try to outdo that with the Z06?
I will bet you, however, we see better numbers from the ZR-1 months from now. It falls right into their playbook. Today's marketing pitch is the ZL. Tomorrow... ZR... next up mid-engine x 3 levels. The C7 family is their security blanket.
I will bet you, however, we see better numbers from the ZR-1 months from now. It falls right into their playbook. Today's marketing pitch is the ZL. Tomorrow... ZR... next up mid-engine x 3 levels. The C7 family is their security blanket.
Last edited by AllFlash; 06-27-2017 at 07:48 PM.
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Le Mans Master
Absolutely correct. The C7 Z06 is old news and quite possibly not something they want to brag about. Thats about the only thing we can infer by the lack of transparency by GM.
#15
Drifting
In my ZR1 replica on the ring I can't crack 7:14 ... In Forza of course
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Melting Slicks
I posted this on the ZL1 1LE Nurburgring Thread that got shoved over to Other Cars.
So if the ZL1 1LE popped off a hand timed 7:13, the new ZR1 will be well under 7 minutes. I was taking segment times of the ZR1, ZO6 and the ZL1 1LE at Laguna Seca when they were here two months ago. I also got a time on the ZL1 1LE with Pobst driving during Motor Trends Best Drivers Car Test a few weeks ago. The advantage of the ZO6 over the ZL1 at Laguna is substantial enough for me to project a 7:06ish on the new 2017 or 2018 ZO6 and the ZR1 will be well under 7:00 for sure, maybe even low 7:00s. The segment times that I took at Laguna a few months back between the ZR1 and the new (I presume 2018) ZO6 were glaringly different.
So if the ZL1 1LE popped off a hand timed 7:13, the new ZR1 will be well under 7 minutes. I was taking segment times of the ZR1, ZO6 and the ZL1 1LE at Laguna Seca when they were here two months ago. I also got a time on the ZL1 1LE with Pobst driving during Motor Trends Best Drivers Car Test a few weeks ago. The advantage of the ZO6 over the ZL1 at Laguna is substantial enough for me to project a 7:06ish on the new 2017 or 2018 ZO6 and the ZR1 will be well under 7:00 for sure, maybe even low 7:00s. The segment times that I took at Laguna a few months back between the ZR1 and the new (I presume 2018) ZO6 were glaringly different.
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The last thread that got moved over there was about the Z06 and it's possible ring time potential, and noted the Camaro's recent achievement as a point of comparison/discussion.
It got swept away. Cuz, in here, God forbid the Z get compared to anything as any basis of discussion about the Z.
It got swept away. Cuz, in here, God forbid the Z get compared to anything as any basis of discussion about the Z.
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As soon as I saw the 1LE ZL1 Laguna Sega time I compared it to the z06 and concluded the Z06 has got to be a sub 7:10 second Ring car.
Last edited by Achmed; 06-27-2017 at 09:47 PM.