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"Dart" small block chevy 427 with forged internals and AFR heads...

Is there anything "in a Gen 1 engine" that's might be more desirable...for an extensively/expensively modified "stock appearing" Custom C1.

Notice I didn't say "C1 restomod" because LS engines are NOT the topic...and NOT a consideration, even though this car has a Corvette Correction chassis with a Dana 44 (... and all the other stuff most top line restomods have except a LS).

Big torque with a "era appearing engine" is the primary criteria.

I DO know all the advantages of the LS (and there are many) but they are just not my cup of tea. Engines reminiscent of my youth are much more important to me than the latest model technology.

Pretty hard to be original with any SBC but any ideas less common and sorta cool would be something to consider.

427 was cool in many languages back in the day it seemed..lol!
How about now?

Thanks...Stan

Dr L-88

Here's mine.......................Dart 427 SB with Brodix alum heads, 602 horsepower at 6200 RPM.

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Thanks Doc..

Very sanitary,what gear and transmission?

Brodix heads, what prompted your choice, vs AFR's for instance? I haven't owned either one.

Thanks...Stan

Tom Austin

Stan,

I know that Kimmo from Finland (owner of the World's fastest C2) also uses a Dart 427 SB in his car - backed by a Viper 6 speed. His engine has a custom fuel injection system - 700 HP, 1,100 when he hits the "button". Send him an IM if you have any qustions - @ SIX-5. Here's a shot of what's under his hood when he stopped @ my house 2 years ago.

Dr L-88

Thanks Stan,

Tremec TKO 600, 9 inch Ford (complete Strange Engineering) with 4.56 gear. Previous owner built engine.

Rex

Stan's Customs

Perfect!!

My wife and I were discussing your car...that looks looks like a ton of fun! We were both street bandits once upon a time. Even before I met her she had owned several street 4 speed Muscle cars.

I really miss the stick cars..but tore up my knee's years ago water skiing.

Stan

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Thanks Tom..
I guess your friend couldn't afford a LS, and had to use a gen one motor?... lol!!

Just kidding. Interesting combination he's got going there....and speaks highly of his opinion of the Dart engine.

Thanks for the input...Stan

AZDoug

I used the Dart PRO 1 CNC heads on mine.

The hard part was getting it all to fit under a stock hood.

I gave up some power to do that, but it seems to have more than enough, anyway, as it is comfort cruiser, not a drag car.

Doug

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I had forgotten that you had a 427 sbc Doug. Do you have any engine pics?

What gear do you have..

All I'm interested in is a cruiser as well..I have hubcaps and wide whites, so there's not enough tire to do much else. BUT I do want "strong acceleration at will"...

I used to think about gas mileage but have decided that isn't real important...no more than theses cars usually get driven. It would take a long time for me to put 10,000 miles on one...so whatever fuel cost it just cost. Probably cheaper to buy gas compared to the cost of a fuel improvement mods.

If you had it to do over would you have done something else other that what you have?

Thanks...Stan

AZDoug

Lots of pics I posted previously 2007-2011, from my webpage, not PB, so they should be available.

We went with 8.7:1 CR so i could get by on 87 octane. It will still smoke the M/T 26"X10" tires just from stepping on the gas from about a 5 MPH roll at idle.

The only reason i was able to get it under the stock hood with the EFI modified Vic Jr (short version) was the MSD throttle body is shorter thana Holley, I used a custom drop base air clearer,and i modified the rubber motor mount system by making some aluminum pucks for the under side and compressing the top rubber about another 3/8".

This was also using a stock deck height Dart Little M block.

Doug Nash/Richmond 5 speed (3.27:1 first gear) with 3.08 narrowed 12 bolt.

As far as doing something different, i would ahve gone with 10:1 CR, just, well, because.
At the time I did this motor, we were having problem getting premium gas in AZ due to a long term pipe line problem, and i didn't envision it getting better down the road, as this was before fracking came along.

Doug

AZDoug

Here:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...rchid=64934405

and post 7 in thread below
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...clearance.html

Doug

AZDoug

The gas mileage with the EFI is quite good, as long as I keep my foot out of it, ~15 around town, up to 20 on a flat road at constant speed and 55 MPH, it goes down any faster than that, such that 80 gets me about 16 MPG.

Its also a fairly mild hyd roller cam, a nice tame driver, not ratty at all. But, it does scoot, it is a potential 11 second car if i could get traction, I can only run high 12s now as I can't hook up in first gear, so i have to ease off the line.

Doug

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Thank you Doug..

Well done!!! ... and very informative, especially regarding the hood clearance

You used a Victor Junior intake manifold...?

I'm considering Holley Terminator Stealth fuel injection...and had heard that dual plane manifolds sometimes didn't lend themselves well to throttle body applications. Is that the reason you decided on a Victor Junior? ...a dual plane is usually a little shorter as well.

Thanks...Stan

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Can't open the first link ...second one is fine.

rayvaflav

Kimmo has cranked this old coupe to over 200 mph. He doesn't put his '65 on a trailer, he actually pulls a trailer behind that Sting Ray with all of the necessary accoutrements to race. Luvvin' it !

Ray

AZDoug

Dual plane is shorter, but single plane port injection in real easy. It can be done on dual plane, bot not easy.

It is a Vic Jr.

Not sure why the link didn't work.

Go to Advanced search and put AZDoug in member name and 427 in search terms,and click on thread starter/thread title option only .

Doug

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10-4..wasn't thinking about port injection for some reason with all the throttle body kits available. Port is better of course.

Wilco on the search..

Thanks...Stan

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Judging from the limited response...maybe I should ask what Gen 1 engine does anyone like any more...?

Or ...are none of the Gen 1's cool in todays high tech world ? ...except to die hard old guy's personal preference (like me) ?

cv67

thats a great combo, if you go EFI use a bigger single plane that motor will use every bit of it. pm tpi421vette he builds these every day he can help you out.

only other gen 1 looking option is the SB2.2 those are getting cheap...big power! member here has a 440ci sbc with a HR cam making 720chp and while lumpy still driveable.

I say build what you posted about youl love it. jim can get you a smoking deal on a new set of AFRs too been dealing with him for many yrs.

Crunch527

nothing to add other than I love the discussion about drivable, high-power setups...