new starter/solenoid 2 mos ago. Symptoms same as before.
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new starter/solenoid 2 mos ago. Symptoms same as before.
Just replaced starter/solenoid and symptoms are the same as before. My first question is is there an inexpensive scan tool I can buy to try to get codes. When I turn key I get a click on the side where the starter is. Turn key again, get a click. Then the third time it starts. I have been told the only way to get a code is if it clicks, don't try to start it again. New battery was put in when starter was installed. Unfortunately, the whole exhaust system had to come out to get to the starter before. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Sorry, I would just replace the whole starter assembly. The problem is in there somewhere and a new starter most likely will fix it.
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Lpga (07-20-2017)
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383vette
thanks for reply. was hoping to get codes first to see if it is starter. don't know what to do if I can't get any codes. By the way it's a 94 LT1 convertible. Forgot to put that in post.
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Lpga (07-20-2017)
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Read your error codes with a paperclip:
http://corvettephotographs.com/c4vettes/codes.htm
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1574918379
This is what they mean:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1576116036
http://corvettephotographs.com/c4vettes/codes.htm
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1574918379
This is what they mean:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1576116036
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Lpga (07-20-2017)
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Just replaced starter/solenoid and symptoms are the same as before. My first question is is there an inexpensive scan tool I can buy to try to get codes. When I turn key I get a click on the side where the starter is. Turn key again, get a click. Then the third time it starts. I have been told the only way to get a code is if it clicks, don't try to start it again. New battery was put in when starter was installed. Unfortunately, the whole exhaust system had to come out to get to the starter before. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
There is no code that will list the starter as bad. (Reading codes will not pinpoint any problem with the cranking system)
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Lpga (07-20-2017)
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OP - so you did the contacts only in the starter? Was this a DIY? Did you use a new plunger? This was done on an OE starter? The "click - click" and then CRANK seems quite odd.
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Lpga (07-20-2017)
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Could be the starter, just as easily could be a corroded connection or bad battery.
I'd have the battery properly tested and go through all the connections (there aren't that many) between the battery & starter plus the block to battery ground cable first.
Could be something as simple as a loose or corroded connection. Who hasn't seen a no-start due to cable corrosion?
I'd have the battery properly tested and go through all the connections (there aren't that many) between the battery & starter plus the block to battery ground cable first.
Could be something as simple as a loose or corroded connection. Who hasn't seen a no-start due to cable corrosion?
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Lpga (07-20-2017)
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starter/solenoid test good. Battery test good. Starter relay test good. No corroded wires, connections are good. Started it up several times last night and today turned over and fired right up. Wondering if there is a way to test ignition switch. Also, could it possibly be a bad key.?
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Are you sure the "click" is coming from the starter itself?
What year is this car?
Is it Manual or Automatic?
What starter is on it, if it isn't stock for the year?
Why does the exhaust have to be removed for access to the starter? (No stock C4 Corvette requires this. This is the wrong forum for LT5, so we won't go there here).
What year is this car?
Is it Manual or Automatic?
What starter is on it, if it isn't stock for the year?
Why does the exhaust have to be removed for access to the starter? (No stock C4 Corvette requires this. This is the wrong forum for LT5, so we won't go there here).
#11
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Sorry, it still sounds like the battery to me.
When you said that "it tests good" does that mean you put it on a meter (like at a parts store) and tested it for Cold Cranking AMPS?
The clicking then starting leads me to (still) think that your battery does not have enough "umpf" or your connections are not....connected.
When you said that "it tests good" does that mean you put it on a meter (like at a parts store) and tested it for Cold Cranking AMPS?
The clicking then starting leads me to (still) think that your battery does not have enough "umpf" or your connections are not....connected.
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****Maybe try neutral starts for a while! (moved to the top because it's the easiest and certainly the least expensive)
Put a "Start Enable Relay" in the car. It's inexpensive a relatively easy reach and diagnostics on from there.
Do you have the FSM? If you do check the "no or slow crank" right after starter/charge diagram, it's very simple and maybe it's just a bad "NEGATIVE CABLE". There's further diagnostics in the same chart for possible positive cable. It seems you're familiar with the under-car starter location etc.
SER requires just dropping the drivers hush panel. It's unlikely but it's certainly easy enough. Put new bolts in both of the battery cables and check condition of the bolts and the ring terminal covered by the boot.
Neutral safety switch isn't out of the question but that's a tougher replacement. Next time you get your intermittent clicks maybe you just shake/rattle the shifter a bit. Maybe try neutral starts for a while!
Put a "Start Enable Relay" in the car. It's inexpensive a relatively easy reach and diagnostics on from there.
Do you have the FSM? If you do check the "no or slow crank" right after starter/charge diagram, it's very simple and maybe it's just a bad "NEGATIVE CABLE". There's further diagnostics in the same chart for possible positive cable. It seems you're familiar with the under-car starter location etc.
SER requires just dropping the drivers hush panel. It's unlikely but it's certainly easy enough. Put new bolts in both of the battery cables and check condition of the bolts and the ring terminal covered by the boot.
Neutral safety switch isn't out of the question but that's a tougher replacement. Next time you get your intermittent clicks maybe you just shake/rattle the shifter a bit. Maybe try neutral starts for a while!
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Lpga (07-21-2017)
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battery test
Sorry, it still sounds like the battery to me.
When you said that "it tests good" does that mean you put it on a meter (like at a parts store) and tested it for Cold Cranking AMPS?
The clicking then starting leads me to (still) think that your battery does not have enough "umpf" or your connections are not....connected.
When you said that "it tests good" does that mean you put it on a meter (like at a parts store) and tested it for Cold Cranking AMPS?
The clicking then starting leads me to (still) think that your battery does not have enough "umpf" or your connections are not....connected.
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Here is why people are still asking you about the battery and about having it load tested. With the C4 if the battery is at all weak or run down the starter simply will not engage it's not like in the old days where a worn down battery will turn it over slowly...... with electronics there is either enough juice or there isn't.
A battery tender will resolve this issue... if that is the issue.
A battery tender will resolve this issue... if that is the issue.
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#15
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You need to monitor the voltage at the solenoid to see if the voltage is marginal or a full 12 volts. You might need to have a DVM in the car and run a wire down to the solenoid so you can see the voltage at the time it acts up.
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Lpga (07-21-2017)
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Here is why people are still asking you about the battery and about having it load tested. With the C4 if the battery is at all weak or run down the starter simply will not engage it's not like in the old days where a worn down battery will turn it over slowly...... with electronics there is either enough juice or there isn't.