Demon vs Z06 1/4 Mile
07-20-2017, 10:46 AM
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Demon vs Z06 1/4 Mile
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/dodge...FB745C72793E59
Interesting read from the guys at Motor Trend who got to 11.0 sec 1/4 mile, while other drivers got to a best 10.5. Feels like Z06 1/4 mile times.
Interesting read from the guys at Motor Trend who got to 11.0 sec 1/4 mile, while other drivers got to a best 10.5. Feels like Z06 1/4 mile times.
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07-22-2017, 11:39 PM
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just food for thought:
my nhra/ihra super stock race car has a 327ci motor that makes 580 crank hp in a car that weighs 2800 lbs (with me in it) and runs 9.75@135 in good air.
add 1400 pounds and 250 hp and you lose 1.4 seconds from weight and gain 2.5 seconds from hp based on the rules of thumb (in the 11-12 second category), which would be a net gain of 1.1 seconds, which of course is much less in the 9 second category (gearing, aero, etc), but easily believable that the Demon is a mid to high 9 second car. no question. it already did it.
of course everyone understands there are variables at play from weather to driver, but the same variables apply to the Z06. my race car will run a 10.05 in horrible air also and the demon and Z06 are more than likely affected even more negatively by bad air.
at the end of the day, the demon will be faster on average in a straight line than the Z06, but who cares? the demon is purpose built for it, the Z06 is not. it's like arguing the Z06 is as good in the snow as a snowmobile just because phantasms drove his in the winter.
let it be. if you want bragging rights to 0-60 times, buy a P100D. if you want 1/4 mile bragging rights, buy a Demon. if you want amazing cornering bragging rights, buy a Miata. if you want the best of all worlds, appreciate your Z06. I love mine.
my nhra/ihra super stock race car has a 327ci motor that makes 580 crank hp in a car that weighs 2800 lbs (with me in it) and runs 9.75@135 in good air.
add 1400 pounds and 250 hp and you lose 1.4 seconds from weight and gain 2.5 seconds from hp based on the rules of thumb (in the 11-12 second category), which would be a net gain of 1.1 seconds, which of course is much less in the 9 second category (gearing, aero, etc), but easily believable that the Demon is a mid to high 9 second car. no question. it already did it.
of course everyone understands there are variables at play from weather to driver, but the same variables apply to the Z06. my race car will run a 10.05 in horrible air also and the demon and Z06 are more than likely affected even more negatively by bad air.
at the end of the day, the demon will be faster on average in a straight line than the Z06, but who cares? the demon is purpose built for it, the Z06 is not. it's like arguing the Z06 is as good in the snow as a snowmobile just because phantasms drove his in the winter.
let it be. if you want bragging rights to 0-60 times, buy a P100D. if you want 1/4 mile bragging rights, buy a Demon. if you want amazing cornering bragging rights, buy a Miata. if you want the best of all worlds, appreciate your Z06. I love mine.
07-20-2017, 10:52 AM
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http://www.motortrend.com/cars/dodge...FB745C72793E59
Interesting read from the guys at Motor Trend who got to 11.0 sec 1/4 mile, while other drivers got to a best 10.5. Feels like Z06 1/4 mile times.
Interesting read from the guys at Motor Trend who got to 11.0 sec 1/4 mile, while other drivers got to a best 10.5. Feels like Z06 1/4 mile times.
07-20-2017, 11:00 AM
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I dont even like dodge... but to be fair the clocks were not on and conditions were terrible...
ive seen auto z06s run 12s stock and others high 10s... a lot depends on DA, track prep, driver skill, the list goes on..
will some guys run 9s stock!?? YEP! Will some guys run low 11s stock? YEP
ive seen auto z06s run 12s stock and others high 10s... a lot depends on DA, track prep, driver skill, the list goes on..
will some guys run 9s stock!?? YEP! Will some guys run low 11s stock? YEP
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07-20-2017, 11:07 AM
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I dont even like dodge... but to be fair the clocks were not on and conditions were terrible...
ive seen auto z06s run 12s stock and others high 10s... a lot depends on DA, track prep, driver skill, the list goes on..
will some guys run 9s stock!?? YEP! Will some guys run low 11s stock? YEP
ive seen auto z06s run 12s stock and others high 10s... a lot depends on DA, track prep, driver skill, the list goes on..
will some guys run 9s stock!?? YEP! Will some guys run low 11s stock? YEP
07-20-2017, 11:12 AM
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Scraping the splitter.
A couple of things:
1. The 9.65 was ran in ~-1300' DA at Gainesville in the middle of November on a well-prepped (read: 1.3 60') track
2. The Performance Pages quarter mile ET isn't accurate. I've only made a few passes when I had it on in my Hellcat Charger, but it was a couple tenths slower than the actual timeslip
I think people need to realize the optimal conditions under which the 9.65 was posted and realize they'll need similar conditions and skill to achieve it.
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1. The 9.65 was ran in ~-1300' DA at Gainesville in the middle of November on a well-prepped (read: 1.3 60') track
2. The Performance Pages quarter mile ET isn't accurate. I've only made a few passes when I had it on in my Hellcat Charger, but it was a couple tenths slower than the actual timeslip
I think people need to realize the optimal conditions under which the 9.65 was posted and realize they'll need similar conditions and skill to achieve it.
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07-20-2017, 11:33 AM
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I think Jalopnik witnessed an SRT driver doing 9.62, well according to somebody's timing equipment since the track did not want to produce time slips. Let me try and get a link quick.
Edit: http://jalopnik.com/the-2018-dodge-c...hyp-1797003739
Edit: http://jalopnik.com/the-2018-dodge-c...hyp-1797003739
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07-20-2017, 11:54 AM
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So corvette owners are the only ones allowed to quote hero times in mine shaft air with pro drivers as what the car runs in the 1320'?
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07-20-2017, 12:01 PM
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Not really! I assure the average driver who takes the Demon to the strip will be disappointed and it runs mid tens in excellent conditions.
07-20-2017, 12:23 PM
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07-20-2017, 12:33 PM
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Yep, I wouldn't be surprised if this one-trick-pony were half a second quicker easily than the Corvette, but would I trade everything else about the Corvette to gain a half second? Nope, I'd mod my Z instead.
Nothing against the Demon, I think it's great we live in the only time in history when you could buy a car this quick, and it even has a warranty. No complaints from me, but it's still just a Dodge sedan when you're done running your hero run.
Nothing against the Demon, I think it's great we live in the only time in history when you could buy a car this quick, and it even has a warranty. No complaints from me, but it's still just a Dodge sedan when you're done running your hero run.
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07-20-2017, 12:38 PM
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Scraping the splitter.
Yep, I wouldn't be surprised if this one-trick-pony were half a second quicker easily than the Corvette, but would I trade everything else about the Corvette to gain a half second? Nope, I'd mod my Z instead.
Nothing against the Demon, I think it's great we live in the only time in history when you could buy a car this quick, and it even has a warranty. No complaints from me, but it's still just a Dodge sedan when you're done running your hero run.
Nothing against the Demon, I think it's great we live in the only time in history when you could buy a car this quick, and it even has a warranty. No complaints from me, but it's still just a Dodge sedan when you're done running your hero run.
But yeah, the early predictions based on comments from Tim Kuniskus that the Demon could "outbrake" the Viper ACR, and that it might have some track prowess are somewhat comical. This car is a very impressive straightline brawler.
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07-20-2017, 12:45 PM
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The review also does not state if the car driven was on 100 octane. My guess is no.
Just the power difference between the two tunes is going to be worth a few tenths. Even without a retune the Z06 picks up with high octane.
Funny I said to a buddy that any car over 400hp can beat any other car over 400 hp. AKA a stock Mustang GT could be a Z06 in a 1/4 mile. I have seen it so many times. Driver MOD and track prep makes so much of a difference. Driveline makes a difference too. AWD cars are easier to run consistent times. Auto cars are easier than manuals.
End of day the car is fast. With 800+hp it should be. But only in a straight line. That being said race a Radical SR8 on a road course in a Z06. You will get crushed if the drivers are equal.
Always someone faster.
Just the power difference between the two tunes is going to be worth a few tenths. Even without a retune the Z06 picks up with high octane.
Funny I said to a buddy that any car over 400hp can beat any other car over 400 hp. AKA a stock Mustang GT could be a Z06 in a 1/4 mile. I have seen it so many times. Driver MOD and track prep makes so much of a difference. Driveline makes a difference too. AWD cars are easier to run consistent times. Auto cars are easier than manuals.
End of day the car is fast. With 800+hp it should be. But only in a straight line. That being said race a Radical SR8 on a road course in a Z06. You will get crushed if the drivers are equal.
Always someone faster.
07-20-2017, 12:58 PM
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It is illegal, but the average owner races against other cars on the street, and on the 1/4 mile. I have never seen a two-car race on a mountain twisty road.
When the Demon comes out I'll be waiting for that first Z06 VS Demon real video.
You may have a rocket, but if you don't know how to employ its power you'll have nothing.
When the Demon comes out I'll be waiting for that first Z06 VS Demon real video.
You may have a rocket, but if you don't know how to employ its power you'll have nothing.
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07-20-2017, 01:23 PM
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Any bets on how long before this is moved to "other cars"? The C7Z forum is only allowed to discuss wrap, wax, and mats apparently? How dare we discuss other performance vehicles on a car forum.
07-20-2017, 01:30 PM
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07-20-2017, 01:39 PM
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07-20-2017, 04:49 PM
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In approaching three years, nobody has ran close to a 10.1 in a stock C7 Z06. Assuming that Dodge didn't pull any funny-stuff at Gainesville other than to take advantage of great track prep and ambient conditions, it's going to be closer to .8+.
But yeah, the early predictions based on comments from Tim Kuniskus that the Demon could "outbrake" the Viper ACR, and that it might have some track prowess are somewhat comical. This car is a very impressive straightline brawler.
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But yeah, the early predictions based on comments from Tim Kuniskus that the Demon could "outbrake" the Viper ACR, and that it might have some track prowess are somewhat comical. This car is a very impressive straightline brawler.
S.
07-20-2017, 07:32 PM
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http://www.motortrend.com/cars/dodge...FB745C72793E59
Interesting read from the guys at Motor Trend who got to 11.0 sec 1/4 mile, while other drivers got to a best 10.5. Feels like Z06 1/4 mile times.
Interesting read from the guys at Motor Trend who got to 11.0 sec 1/4 mile, while other drivers got to a best 10.5. Feels like Z06 1/4 mile times.