Carbon ceramic question
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Carbon ceramic question
for those of you who have this option, is the brake dust MUCH less than iron? (I'm assuming you've had a performance car with iron brakes before) my m5 was god awful.
i'm looking at 3 cars from matick, and 2 of them have CC, one does not. And also these are suppose to last the "lifetime" of the vehicle? Im assuming the only thing i'd have to change are the pads, (3 yr lease) how costly are they? Any aftermarket options? thanks guys!
i'm looking at 3 cars from matick, and 2 of them have CC, one does not. And also these are suppose to last the "lifetime" of the vehicle? Im assuming the only thing i'd have to change are the pads, (3 yr lease) how costly are they? Any aftermarket options? thanks guys!
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Will you be tracking the car? The ceramics are light dust VS the steel that are heavy dust. Ceramics should last a 3 year lease if no tracking is involved you may not even have to change pads. If tracking I would go steel rotor and get a low dust street pad and a set of track pads way less expensive than keeping up with the cost of the ceramics. Now if this just a street car and the extra thousands of dollars are worth low dust VS the cost of a low dust brake pad that's up to you.
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car will not be tracked. Drag strip yes. I'm trying to convince myself to do it. And the car is triple black, so anything that helps keeping dirt away, i'am game.
thanks Adam!
thanks Adam!
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They do not generate any where near as much dust on the wheels and they will last the life time of the car which is a lot more than 3 years and probably well over 150K miles.
However, you could use some low dust ceramic pads on the iron rotor car and accomplish pretty much the same thing at a lot lower cost. GM intended the ceramic rotor package to be used on track cars and that is why it was initially only offered on the Z07 option cars. If you aren't going to track the car there isn't much reason to pay for the ceramic brake option. If you are going to track the car the ceramic brakes are very good but their pad/rotor replacement cost is so high they quickly become unaffordable given the rate at which the rotors and pads need to be replaced.
Iron rotor brakes will definitely last through a three year lease given the average car's 12K miles per year. Given the average 4500 to 5000 average miles per year that most Corvettes see they will last much longer.
Bill
However, you could use some low dust ceramic pads on the iron rotor car and accomplish pretty much the same thing at a lot lower cost. GM intended the ceramic rotor package to be used on track cars and that is why it was initially only offered on the Z07 option cars. If you aren't going to track the car there isn't much reason to pay for the ceramic brake option. If you are going to track the car the ceramic brakes are very good but their pad/rotor replacement cost is so high they quickly become unaffordable given the rate at which the rotors and pads need to be replaced.
Iron rotor brakes will definitely last through a three year lease given the average car's 12K miles per year. Given the average 4500 to 5000 average miles per year that most Corvettes see they will last much longer.
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Brake dust? What brake dust? I don't ever see any brake dust on my wheels. I only notice when I clean the wheels with a rag. So that is a great benefit. But they are not worth the price of admission. replacement pads are $700-800!! Where you can go to your local auto parts store and get low brake dust pads for $60 on the Z06. I have the z07 because I bought a used one that came with the Z07. So when you factor in the up front cost and the replacement pads cost, definitely not worth it unless you have money to throw away. I see ceramic brakes as a liability.
If you're leasing a car both brake systems should last though the lease. Leasing is a bad deal. Interest rates are high on corvette leases too.
With that said, the stopping power of the Z's ceramic brakes is unf&@king real!
If you're leasing a car both brake systems should last though the lease. Leasing is a bad deal. Interest rates are high on corvette leases too.
With that said, the stopping power of the Z's ceramic brakes is unf&@king real!
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The biggest reason I wanted the Z07 package was the ceramic brakes. My last car (ZL1) had iron brakes and the rims were always coated in a thick layer of brake dust. The wheels on the vette with the Z07 package never have anything on them. The first time the car needed washed I was astonished at how the rims actually had DIRT on them and NO brake dust... It's a thing of beauty. Plus the carbon ceramics look amazing inside the wheel.
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I have them on my Z07 package and they have no dust and look awesome. Completely worth it to me. They also stop amazingly well.
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Everyone says no dust but it is definitely low dust. When I still had them on my car, you still get brake dust, just nothing like the standard "iron" rotors and factory pads. Worth it for that reason alone? Definitely not when you can buy other relatively low dust pads for the standard brakes. They also are not the greatest on the track with high consumable cost and relatively fast wear rates. They do make a great middle of the road brake though in that you can go straight from the street, to the track, and back without ever touching your pads and not experience any issues.
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Brake dust?
I keep my Z06/7 clean.
Except the wheels.
They are black.
Half of its 5800 miles are on the track.
One set of front brake pads, about $500 on Amazon.
Changed them myself in about the same time as an oil change.
Brake dust all over them wheels.
I never notice.
Folks that notice and wonder....I don't bother to explain.
Folks that notice and understand, high five.
YMMV.
On the street, very little brake dust with CCBs FWIW
I keep my Z06/7 clean.
Except the wheels.
They are black.
Half of its 5800 miles are on the track.
One set of front brake pads, about $500 on Amazon.
Changed them myself in about the same time as an oil change.
Brake dust all over them wheels.
I never notice.
Folks that notice and wonder....I don't bother to explain.
Folks that notice and understand, high five.
YMMV.
On the street, very little brake dust with CCBs FWIW
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No one has mentioned that the CCB also weigh considerably less than the heavy iron brakes. Less unsprung weight means quicker suspension reaction (better handling) less rotational mass (faster acceleration) and, although CCB’s are much more expensive, the iron brake advocates are replacing their pads and rotors much more often. They are superior to iron brakes for their heat dissipation and fade resistance, therefore are not legal for use in the racing class Corvette Racing competes in or they would be used by them as well. The minimal dusting feature is just a side benefit. Just sayin’.
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I should have added that the 1000 miles I drove the car on the street before going to the track, I really didn't see any brake dust with the CCB's
The color is Black Rose Metallic. New color in 2017, and they abandoned it. I think about 1300 C7s were painted that color. I was planning on a bright red, but saw that color in the brochure (never saw it on C7) and thought it looked good. I really like it, but I just like C7's no matter what color (except pink, haven't seen a pink one, hopefully never will)
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for those of you who have this option, is the brake dust MUCH less than iron? (I'm assuming you've had a performance car with iron brakes before) my m5 was god awful.
i'm looking at 3 cars from matick, and 2 of them have CC, one does not. And also these are suppose to last the "lifetime" of the vehicle? Im assuming the only thing i'd have to change are the pads, (3 yr lease) how costly are they? Any aftermarket options? thanks guys!
i'm looking at 3 cars from matick, and 2 of them have CC, one does not. And also these are suppose to last the "lifetime" of the vehicle? Im assuming the only thing i'd have to change are the pads, (3 yr lease) how costly are they? Any aftermarket options? thanks guys!
Got rid of a 16 M3 with iron brakes and black wheels. My Z with ceramics and black wheels is so much better. Night and Day difference.
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Get a Z06 with the iron brakes and Powerstop Z26 pads. They are very reasonable and have almost no dust. And they will do great at the drag strip. I use the track day pads during the racing season and switch to the Z26'S during the off season. Also should you ever decide to do more than just drag racing you can do what I do and be very happy with them. Check out the price difference in the POWERSTOP parts and you will be happy that you did.