Converting a 1965 to Dual master Braking
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Converting a 1965 to Dual master Braking
Originally Posted by JRUTS I'm looking to convert my single master braking to a dual master brake system with possibly of adding vacuum assist.
Does any one know if the vacuum assist assembly bolts directly to where the single master brake cylinder bolted to the firewall. It looks like the vacuum booster has 2 other brackets that would have to me mounted so don't know if there is a conversion bracket from someone or I have to drill the firewall.
If so has anyone done that without taking the whole dash panel out? Any advise on who to purchase a complete master brake retrofit kit from?
Thanks Jeff R
Does any one know if the vacuum assist assembly bolts directly to where the single master brake cylinder bolted to the firewall. It looks like the vacuum booster has 2 other brackets that would have to me mounted so don't know if there is a conversion bracket from someone or I have to drill the firewall.
If so has anyone done that without taking the whole dash panel out? Any advise on who to purchase a complete master brake retrofit kit from?
Thanks Jeff R
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The dash or I/C does not need to be removed. For the booster you need a nut plate that was originally rivited to the firewall. But you do not need to rivet it as the booster will hold it in place with the trough bolts. If you have your AIM it will show how the factory did it
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Originally Posted by JRUTS I'm looking to convert my single master braking to a dual master brake system with possibly of adding vacuum assist.
Does any one know if the vacuum assist assembly bolts directly to where the single master brake cylinder bolted to the firewall. It looks like the vacuum booster has 2 other brackets that would have to me mounted so don't know if there is a conversion bracket from someone or I have to drill the firewall.
If so has anyone done that without taking the whole dash panel out? Any advise on who to purchase a complete master brake retrofit kit from?
Thanks Jeff R
Does any one know if the vacuum assist assembly bolts directly to where the single master brake cylinder bolted to the firewall. It looks like the vacuum booster has 2 other brackets that would have to me mounted so don't know if there is a conversion bracket from someone or I have to drill the firewall.
If so has anyone done that without taking the whole dash panel out? Any advise on who to purchase a complete master brake retrofit kit from?
Thanks Jeff R
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The dash or I/C does not need to be removed. For the booster you need a nut plate that was originally rivited to the firewall. But you do not need to rivet it as the booster will hold it in place with the trough bolts. If you have your AIM it will show how the factory did it
I'm looking to purchase a conversion kit from a number of Corvette suppliers but can you suggest a supplier to go to. that would would include the nut plate or where to get it? I'm just getting this car back on the road took off the 40 year old belt tires and got some new radials. Got it home and to test the brakes in my garage really laid on the brake petal then the 3/16". front crossover brake line blew out. So I think its time to replace all the brake lines and hoses as well. It looks like in late 1965 and defintely in 1967 they went to 1/4". lines. So when I talk to some of the Corvette supply houses, (not sure if I should mention them in this forum (I'm a new member in this) so just trying to figure out how to communicate etc. Many don't know the answers to all my questions. Such as if I convert to 1/4" do I have to change the rear junction blocks to 1/4" and what is the hose connection size that goes to these blocks (looking at replacement brake line #' the rubber lines seem to be all the same from 1963 - 67s so I have to assume the rear brake line junction block deals with some standard hose size?) then does the rubber brake line match the short steel 3/16 rear brake lines that feed the rear calipers or do I have to switch these to 1/4". If you can recommend a supplier?
I can call you sometime if your available to talk.
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As long as you are changing out all of your brake lines, why not get 1/4" lines, booster and master made for a a 67? I did that on my 66 and it all fit together without problems. Make sure you get the correct master cylinder for power brakes. They are different for power vs standard. Jerry
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As long as you are changing out all of your brake lines, why not get 1/4" lines, booster and master made for a a 67? I did that on my 66 and it all fit together without problems. Make sure you get the correct master cylinder for power brakes. They are different for power vs standard. Jerry
Last edited by JRUTS; 02-28-2018 at 03:16 PM. Reason: need to add some info I will be going with the booster
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I'm going to go with 1/4 inch lines my question is does the 1967 dual master cylinder require the proportioning valves as shown with some of the conversion kits verses ordering a 1965-1966 master cylinder conversion kit which does not ? So is there something different about the 1967 version?
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There is no proportion valve in the brake system. The C-2 and C-3 systems address the bias between the front and rear brakes by changing the size of the pistons. The rears are smaller then the fronts. In a system that utilizes both disc and drum, you need to add a proportion valve for even braking. You may be confusing the distribution block under the master cylinder as a proportioning valve. You do need the distribution block. Hope this helps. Jerry
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There is no proportion valve in the brake system. The C-2 and C-3 systems address the bias between the front and rear brakes by changing the size of the pistons. The rears are smaller then the fronts. In a system that utilizes both disc and drum, you need to add a proportion valve for even braking. You may be confusing the distribution block under the master cylinder as a proportioning valve. You do need the distribution block. Hope this helps. Jerry
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There is no proportion valve in the brake system. The C-2 and C-3 systems address the bias between the front and rear brakes by changing the size of the pistons. The rears are smaller then the fronts. In a system that utilizes both disc and drum, you need to add a proportion valve for even braking. You may be confusing the distribution block under the master cylinder as a proportioning valve. You do need the distribution block. Hope this helps. Jerry
Jerry, Thanks for confirming I don't need the proportioning valve. I wasn't confused about the difference between that and the distribution block.
My question came from looking at a couple of Corvette supplier retrofit kits. The up grade Kits that went from 65-66 models to a dual brake system with vacuum booster did not have a Proportioning valve but if I was to go to a 1967 upgrade some showed a proportioning valve, which I thought very strange and confusing. So needed to go to the experts. Appreciate your input. Jeff .
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look up Lone Star Calipers. talk to them and they will send all the stuff you need
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The dash or I/C does not need to be removed. For the booster you need a nut plate that was originally rivited to the firewall. But you do not need to rivet it as the booster will hold it in place with the trough bolts. If you have your AIM it will show how the factory did it
(2) Does the backing plate go inside the car on the back side of the firewall? You have to be a contortionist to just get up behind the dash let alone try to mount the plate back there or does the plate mount on the firewall side Held in place by the rivets? . I'm just worried that there is firewall insulation inside and I guess you try to move it before drilling the holes. I assume no wiring is up behind the dash to worry about.
(3) the booster came with the main mounting bolts pressed into the firewall mounting bracket. My car has the old master cylinder bolts already coming from inside the car through to the firewall engine side. They looked to either be pressed in or welded into the inside bracket under the dash do I pound them out then use the new bolts already pressed into the booster plate. Now the nuts are inside
the car much harder to reach.
Final question, any issues witht he oil dipstick looks like it will be right up against the dual master cyclinder when all this get back together.
Thanks for any help.
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the nut plate goes on the upper most part of the firewall. you remove the wiper grille to get to it. there have been some factory installed PB booster nut plates that were not riveted to the firewall. it was only riveted to hold it in place until you bolt it in place.
the lower mounting part of the booster goes into the existing holes used by the master cylinder
the lower mounting part of the booster goes into the existing holes used by the master cylinder
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Remove the vent grill under the left windshield wiper to install the backing plate. Yes, you pound out the old MC bolts. The dipstick is close but works OK.
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the nut plate goes on the upper most part of the firewall. you remove the wiper grille to get to it. there have been some factory installed PB booster nut plates that were not riveted to the firewall. it was only riveted to hold it in place until you bolt it in place.
the lower mounting part of the booster goes into the existing holes used by the master cylinder
the lower mounting part of the booster goes into the existing holes used by the master cylinder
grill housing just to help support the PB booster. Probably paint it to match the car paint. Just have to pound out the lower mounting studs
so the new PB bracket studs will work.
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The nut plate was installed before blackout. So no body color