Nurburgring update
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Nurburgring update
He is a video put up by Rob Feretti regarding our C7 Z06 Nurburgring car going to the ring.
Have a look.
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Have a look.
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Next time you talk to Lou, ask him why he and GM had a falling out. It was a real screw job they put on LG and there is now a scorched earth policy between GM and LG Motorsports. There's no way in Hell GM would lift one finger to help Lou in any way, shape, or form. And that's a shame.
Without going into too many details, in 2008 GM Gave us their blessing to run the "Baby GT class" then called the GT 2 Class for the FIA and ACO for LeMans. We had a sponsor and Riley was building the car with Homologation supplied and blessed by GM.
THEN came the GM Bankruptcy and their budget was cut for the GT1 class with 2 cars in it so they reneged on the FIA Homologation and gave it to Pratt and Miller and left us with almost nothing. Fehan and the Swamp got Michelin to hold back their tires from us so we could not get Michelin tires - the only tires that can really compete at the time.
So we had no FIA Homologation after the GM Bankruptcy, They got with the FIA and ACO and eliminated the GT1 class for 2010 and they did not want to race against another Corvette. OMG what if an outsider beat the $50 million dollar Factory effort???? Of course it was about the money and if we did well on less than $2-3 million then of course GM Corporate would put some
of that money in our effort. AND that was not going to happen. As long as there is only 1 Corvette team racing with 2 cars they can control the "Balance of Performance" and keep private teams out. SO no Corvette teams run LeMans other than the 1 team.
We were verbally accepted for the 2009 Le Mans race. The ACO came to the US and inspected our car and they said, "we are looking forward to see you in France. See you then"....... Until they went to Inspect the 2 Factory cars and suddenly we got a rejection letter. BUT not before Petit Lemans where LG Motorsports Out qualified the Factory Corvette team. We got the outside Pole
And the Factory Team got 3rd and 7th. Funny how that happens and we did it on Dunlop tires! No wonder they did not want to race against us.
So in 2018 the car count by brand in both GTLM were ----"10 Porsche, 8 Ferrari, 4 Fords, 4 Astons, 2 BMW, 2 Corvettes.
in 2006 when we were beating the $17 million dollar Cadillac CTSv effort they lobbied against Corvettes and got 190 pounds added to us. I lost the Driver championship by 1 point. to Porsche, But we beat Cadillac. GM can not let go of the control. Porsche builds a great car as does Ferrari then they let private teams buy them and race them and the Cream comes to the top. IT is a profit center for Porsche. Same for Ferrari. Then they loan out Factory drivers to help the best teams and they WIN races all over the world. They have a "Porsche Cup" and World Challenge and GT3 Porsche as does Ferrari.
Ask yourself where all the Corvette race teams are? Out of the racing business.
SO we head to Nurburgring to see what we can do. Our Corvette is still a Corvette and if we get Permission from the Track owners before GM lobbies against us, then we can get on the "Official Nurburgring Lap Record chart" IF NOT then we will do the time and document it and never make the official list.
Who said there was not Politics in Racing! Sometimes the truth is not pretty but facts are facts. (We sued GM and Michelin and made it to the 5th circuit Court of Appeals and lost 2-1 after we refused their settlement offer)
LG
We went from Kumho tires to Yokohama tires then Dunlop tires. Kumho gave us tires but they did not have a Lemans effort so they were a little short. Yokohama helped us only at Long Beach where Boris Said got hit and our car caught fire. Then after we fixed it we went to Petit lemans on Dunlop and out qualified the factory. AWESOME!
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Oktoberfest,& women wearing drindle with their ***** hanging out is Very intriguing[/left]
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Thank you!!
This is one of those challenges that I look forward to I know there’s plenty of pitfalls in an effort like this but I hope I am up to it
If it was just another race track 3 to 4 miles long I could learn it in a couple of sessions but being what it is it’s gonna take a lot of preparation which I am doing as we speak I have even signed up for a 3 1/2 day training course
I may not remember any of their names but hopefully I can remember most of the corners and do LG motorsports proud !!
Thanks
Lou gigliotti
This is one of those challenges that I look forward to I know there’s plenty of pitfalls in an effort like this but I hope I am up to it
If it was just another race track 3 to 4 miles long I could learn it in a couple of sessions but being what it is it’s gonna take a lot of preparation which I am doing as we speak I have even signed up for a 3 1/2 day training course
I may not remember any of their names but hopefully I can remember most of the corners and do LG motorsports proud !!
Thanks
Lou gigliotti
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Go Lou.
Just found out in this thread that you'll have the racetrack to yourself, at least for a little while. Hopin' the weather cooperates.
Just found out in this thread that you'll have the racetrack to yourself, at least for a little while. Hopin' the weather cooperates.
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Schweinhaxe, weissbeer, beer girls, and fast cars? Hell yea. I hope you guys have as much fun as I do when I go. Haven't been to the Ring, but I've been lucky enough to get several weeks on the autobahn in decent cars. Gotta love any country that enjoys cars as much as they do in Germany.
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Best of luck Lou!! You are going to love the ‘old course’. We shipped 14 corvettes over in ‘05 and ran the ring plus some of the autobahn. It is a complex track with banking in some turns and flat in others. You will also get a little air. Fun to drive. Study up and enjoy. You will kick some a$$ there.
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Thank you!!
If it was just another race track 3 to 4 miles long I could learn it in a couple of sessions but being what it is it’s gonna take a lot of preparation which I am doing as we speak I have even signed up for a 3 1/2 day training course
I may not remember any of their names but hopefully I can remember most of the corners and do LG motorsports proud !!
Thanks
Lou gigliotti
If it was just another race track 3 to 4 miles long I could learn it in a couple of sessions but being what it is it’s gonna take a lot of preparation which I am doing as we speak I have even signed up for a 3 1/2 day training course
I may not remember any of their names but hopefully I can remember most of the corners and do LG motorsports proud !!
Thanks
Lou gigliotti
When are you at the Nürburgring?
Who is the organizer of the 3-day training at the Nürburgring
I am also in training for three days in the summer
11.07.- 13.07 with Sport-Auto
Cölestin
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Can you advise me on the best one? ring Taxi?? How is that?
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Thank you!!
This is one of those challenges that I look forward to I know there’s plenty of pitfalls in an effort like this but I hope I am up to it
If it was just another race track 3 to 4 miles long I could learn it in a couple of sessions but being what it is it’s gonna take a lot of preparation which I am doing as we speak I have even signed up for a 3 1/2 day training course
I may not remember any of their names but hopefully I can remember most of the corners and do LG motorsports proud !!
Thanks
Lou gigliotti
This is one of those challenges that I look forward to I know there’s plenty of pitfalls in an effort like this but I hope I am up to it
If it was just another race track 3 to 4 miles long I could learn it in a couple of sessions but being what it is it’s gonna take a lot of preparation which I am doing as we speak I have even signed up for a 3 1/2 day training course
I may not remember any of their names but hopefully I can remember most of the corners and do LG motorsports proud !!
Thanks
Lou gigliotti
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My opinion: if you are a beginner, then that is very good
Lou, you are experienced, I recommend * Sport Auto * to get to know the track
Last year Oliver Gavin was also there.
There are 20 different levels. You go to level 1-5
Ring Taxi:
This is a company that has the house on the Nordschleife.
An experienced racer drives and you are with driver (taxi)
Cölestin
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Lou,
you might enjoy reading this Road and Track article about a race driver (who stood on many podiums!) learning the Ring, with Ross Bentley involved, with RSRNurburg:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...e-nurburgring/
I wish I could go with you guys and do a 3 day course. Dreams!
you might enjoy reading this Road and Track article about a race driver (who stood on many podiums!) learning the Ring, with Ross Bentley involved, with RSRNurburg:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...e-nurburgring/
I wish I could go with you guys and do a 3 day course. Dreams!
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I have seen pro race car drivers who have driven the ring for years get owned by drivers who truly KNOW the ring, in the same car.
Definitely drive it and do all you can, but for a true record, you need a Ring guy who knows the track.
Just look at the Viper effort...they had Dominik and Mario Farnbacher running the car for days doing 7:03's, then they threw Lance Arnold in there...a known Ring master and he chopped 2 seconds off them in his first hot lap.
I talked to Mero extensively about truly extracting the last bits of time from the ring, and where. The one key thing he pointed out is, despite feeling absolutely certain he was at the limits in certain areas, the data would show he just wasn't. Due to the varying grip levels at different spots, plus some turns loading the tire and some not, elevation changes and environments making some of the track green at times, some not...it takes a lot of seat time to truly be competitive.
Run it for sure because you earned it...but if you can get a Lance Arnold in that seat to back you up and truly push for a time...I say you do it.
Take lessons from that Viper though...one lap at the limits pushes a street tire big time...they were changing tires every lap they ran, but they were also shavin kumhos, etc.
I know the ring in my sleep...I have easily 40k miles virtual at the ring (may be conservative honestly), spanning like 7yrs...lol, if not more, plus about 20 laps in reality. Its a tough beast to master, that's for sure. It's a track with an immediate penalty and a lot of things that can bite...especially if you don't own the chassis...lol.
Definitely drive it and do all you can, but for a true record, you need a Ring guy who knows the track.
Just look at the Viper effort...they had Dominik and Mario Farnbacher running the car for days doing 7:03's, then they threw Lance Arnold in there...a known Ring master and he chopped 2 seconds off them in his first hot lap.
I talked to Mero extensively about truly extracting the last bits of time from the ring, and where. The one key thing he pointed out is, despite feeling absolutely certain he was at the limits in certain areas, the data would show he just wasn't. Due to the varying grip levels at different spots, plus some turns loading the tire and some not, elevation changes and environments making some of the track green at times, some not...it takes a lot of seat time to truly be competitive.
Run it for sure because you earned it...but if you can get a Lance Arnold in that seat to back you up and truly push for a time...I say you do it.
Take lessons from that Viper though...one lap at the limits pushes a street tire big time...they were changing tires every lap they ran, but they were also shavin kumhos, etc.
I know the ring in my sleep...I have easily 40k miles virtual at the ring (may be conservative honestly), spanning like 7yrs...lol, if not more, plus about 20 laps in reality. Its a tough beast to master, that's for sure. It's a track with an immediate penalty and a lot of things that can bite...especially if you don't own the chassis...lol.
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I have seen pro race car drivers who have driven the ring for years get owned by drivers who truly KNOW the ring, in the same car.
Definitely drive it and do all you can, but for a true record, you need a Ring guy who knows the track.
Just look at the Viper effort...they had Dominik and Mario Farnbacher running the car for days doing 7:03's, then they threw Lance Arnold in there...a known Ring master and he chopped 2 seconds off them in his first hot lap.
I talked to Mero extensively about truly extracting the last bits of time from the ring, and where. The one key thing he pointed out is, despite feeling absolutely certain he was at the limits in certain areas, the data would show he just wasn't. Due to the varying grip levels at different spots, plus some turns loading the tire and some not, elevation changes and environments making some of the track green at times, some not...it takes a lot of seat time to truly be competitive.
Run it for sure because you earned it...but if you can get a Lance Arnold in that seat to back you up and truly push for a time...I say you do it.
Take lessons from that Viper though...one lap at the limits pushes a street tire big time...they were changing tires every lap they ran, but they were also shavin kumhos, etc.
I know the ring in my sleep...I have easily 40k miles virtual at the ring (may be conservative honestly), spanning like 7yrs...lol, if not more, plus about 20 laps in reality. Its a tough beast to master, that's for sure. It's a track with an immediate penalty and a lot of things that can bite...especially if you don't own the chassis...lol.
Definitely drive it and do all you can, but for a true record, you need a Ring guy who knows the track.
Just look at the Viper effort...they had Dominik and Mario Farnbacher running the car for days doing 7:03's, then they threw Lance Arnold in there...a known Ring master and he chopped 2 seconds off them in his first hot lap.
I talked to Mero extensively about truly extracting the last bits of time from the ring, and where. The one key thing he pointed out is, despite feeling absolutely certain he was at the limits in certain areas, the data would show he just wasn't. Due to the varying grip levels at different spots, plus some turns loading the tire and some not, elevation changes and environments making some of the track green at times, some not...it takes a lot of seat time to truly be competitive.
Run it for sure because you earned it...but if you can get a Lance Arnold in that seat to back you up and truly push for a time...I say you do it.
Take lessons from that Viper though...one lap at the limits pushes a street tire big time...they were changing tires every lap they ran, but they were also shavin kumhos, etc.
I know the ring in my sleep...I have easily 40k miles virtual at the ring (may be conservative honestly), spanning like 7yrs...lol, if not more, plus about 20 laps in reality. Its a tough beast to master, that's for sure. It's a track with an immediate penalty and a lot of things that can bite...especially if you don't own the chassis...lol.
That's exactly how it is.
* The green hell * I love her
The best have well over 5000 laps of experience
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The above info from lasco and KITT is very good suggestion. Good luck Lou.
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One thing you could do, if you haven’t already, is get a Playstation & Gran Turismo Sport ( the latest version). It has the Nordschleife as well as the GP circuit. I couldn’t tell you how accurately they replicate bumps and camber, but I imagine that the layout is pretty accurate. Just a thought. I hope to get there one day. Best of luck!!
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The physics have changed between GTSport and GT6, but both are like a solid 90% representation in the scans...you can feel the car unload and load where actual...what you can't tell is a real representation of what curbs will bite you bad and what ones won't. The big difference visually, is the depth, the elevation feeling, and the sheer risk at some areas.
I think a capable guy can jump on the Ring, that knows the track virtually, and easily be at that 90% level fairly quickly...but, it takes a lot of laps to truly get that last 10% and a true qualifying grade pace...that's why you need a real Ring master that can extract what that car has to offer.
If Lou pulled a 7:05 or better, having no time on the track prior...I'd say the old man really has some fire still burnin and soft hands still.
Setup is going to be everything and I don't think you have enough time to pull adequate data to potentially even hit something serious without really putting the car at risk. You're going to need some allies big time.
I think a capable guy can jump on the Ring, that knows the track virtually, and easily be at that 90% level fairly quickly...but, it takes a lot of laps to truly get that last 10% and a true qualifying grade pace...that's why you need a real Ring master that can extract what that car has to offer.
If Lou pulled a 7:05 or better, having no time on the track prior...I'd say the old man really has some fire still burnin and soft hands still.
Setup is going to be everything and I don't think you have enough time to pull adequate data to potentially even hit something serious without really putting the car at risk. You're going to need some allies big time.
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