One more first drive... Top Gear UK (magazine/website)
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One more first drive... Top Gear UK (magazine/website)
No Chris Harris yet but it is good to see their take on the car!
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/...dr/first-drive
Edit: I don't want to keep posting these threads so here is Motor Trend's first drive, including some stunning new pictures:
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...-drive-review/
I can't wait to see this thing in comparison tests, best driver's car, and lightning lap!
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/...dr/first-drive
Edit: I don't want to keep posting these threads so here is Motor Trend's first drive, including some stunning new pictures:
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...-drive-review/
I can't wait to see this thing in comparison tests, best driver's car, and lightning lap!
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I'm waiting for any car reviewer to say forget about buying a Euro supercar and buy the ZR1. I haven't read any review that has the ***** to say it.
The ZR1 is the Supercar that can beat the exotics
The ZR1 is the Supercar that can beat the exotics
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What exactly does this mean? One thing people seem to never realize is that exotic car companies make different levels of the cars they produce much like there are different levels of the Corvette you can buy. Often times they want to compare one companies entry level or mid level car to the ZR1(or even Z06) but never compare it to the higher level cars. And yes the ZR1 will beat some of the track focused exotic cars on certain tracks and on other tracks the exotic cars will beat the ZR1, very rarely is there one car that beats every other car everywhere. Then there comes things like the fit and finish of the cars. Since I have a Lambo I can compare it to my C7 anytime I want. The Lambo is put together significantly better than the C7, any random person will be able to tell that. Now is it worth the extra cost, that's debatable and up to the buyer to decide. I haven't driver a ZR1 yet, however I hope to eventually. But I'm going to imagine it's a more aggressive Z06, drive an exotic car and you'll understand why people rave about them all the time.
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Maybe because their opinion is that the Euro supercar is better? Is there something wrong with that?
What exactly does this mean? One thing people seem to never realize is that exotic car companies make different levels of the cars they produce much like there are different levels of the Corvette you can buy. Often times they want to compare one companies entry level or mid level car to the ZR1(or even Z06) but never compare it to the higher level cars. And yes the ZR1 will beat some of the track focused exotic cars on certain tracks and on other tracks the exotic cars will beat the ZR1, very rarely is there one car that beats every other car everywhere. Then there comes things like the fit and finish of the cars. Since I have a Lambo I can compare it to my C7 anytime I want. The Lambo is put together significantly better than the C7, any random person will be able to tell that. Now is it worth the extra cost, that's debatable and up to the buyer to decide. I haven't driver a ZR1 yet, however I hope to eventually. But I'm going to imagine it's a more aggressive Z06, drive an exotic car and you'll understand why people rave about them all the time.
What exactly does this mean? One thing people seem to never realize is that exotic car companies make different levels of the cars they produce much like there are different levels of the Corvette you can buy. Often times they want to compare one companies entry level or mid level car to the ZR1(or even Z06) but never compare it to the higher level cars. And yes the ZR1 will beat some of the track focused exotic cars on certain tracks and on other tracks the exotic cars will beat the ZR1, very rarely is there one car that beats every other car everywhere. Then there comes things like the fit and finish of the cars. Since I have a Lambo I can compare it to my C7 anytime I want. The Lambo is put together significantly better than the C7, any random person will be able to tell that. Now is it worth the extra cost, that's debatable and up to the buyer to decide. I haven't driver a ZR1 yet, however I hope to eventually. But I'm going to imagine it's a more aggressive Z06, drive an exotic car and you'll understand why people rave about them all the time.
Every point you make is subjective.
When the ZR1 hands Lambo it's head (just as the Z06 did in the last Lightning Lap, you can feel good about the niceties of your better cabin & fit and finish at your cars & coffee event. For the price you paid, it's the least the brand can provide.
I love when exotic owners get their pants twisted, they always resort back to the same subjective arguments; 'fit & finish', and 'exclusivity'.
Whatever floats your boat.
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Maybe because their opinion is that the Euro supercar is better? Is there something wrong with that?
What exactly does this mean? One thing people seem to never realize is that exotic car companies make different levels of the cars they produce much like there are different levels of the Corvette you can buy. Often times they want to compare one companies entry level or mid level car to the ZR1(or even Z06) but never compare it to the higher level cars. And yes the ZR1 will beat some of the track focused exotic cars on certain tracks and on other tracks the exotic cars will beat the ZR1, very rarely is there one car that beats every other car everywhere. Then there comes things like the fit and finish of the cars. Since I have a Lambo I can compare it to my C7 anytime I want. The Lambo is put together significantly better than the C7, any random person will be able to tell that. Now is it worth the extra cost, that's debatable and up to the buyer to decide. I haven't driver a ZR1 yet, however I hope to eventually. But I'm going to imagine it's a more aggressive Z06, drive an exotic car and you'll understand why people rave about them all the time.
What exactly does this mean? One thing people seem to never realize is that exotic car companies make different levels of the cars they produce much like there are different levels of the Corvette you can buy. Often times they want to compare one companies entry level or mid level car to the ZR1(or even Z06) but never compare it to the higher level cars. And yes the ZR1 will beat some of the track focused exotic cars on certain tracks and on other tracks the exotic cars will beat the ZR1, very rarely is there one car that beats every other car everywhere. Then there comes things like the fit and finish of the cars. Since I have a Lambo I can compare it to my C7 anytime I want. The Lambo is put together significantly better than the C7, any random person will be able to tell that. Now is it worth the extra cost, that's debatable and up to the buyer to decide. I haven't driver a ZR1 yet, however I hope to eventually. But I'm going to imagine it's a more aggressive Z06, drive an exotic car and you'll understand why people rave about them all the time.
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Very ignorant, and condescending comments.
Every point you make is subjective.
When the ZR1 hands Lambo it's head (just as the Z06 did in the last Lightning Lap, you can feel good about the niceties of your better cabin & fit and finish at your cars & coffee event. For the price you paid, it's the least the brand can provide.
I love when exotic owners get their pants twisted, they always resort back to the same subjective arguments; 'fit & finish', and 'exclusivity'.
Whatever floats your boat.
Every point you make is subjective.
When the ZR1 hands Lambo it's head (just as the Z06 did in the last Lightning Lap, you can feel good about the niceties of your better cabin & fit and finish at your cars & coffee event. For the price you paid, it's the least the brand can provide.
I love when exotic owners get their pants twisted, they always resort back to the same subjective arguments; 'fit & finish', and 'exclusivity'.
Whatever floats your boat.
Funny you compared the Z06 to the Huracan 610-4 so there you go comparing a track focused car to a non track focused car which is what a lot of people do, because as I stated most don't realize that exotic manufactures make different levels of their cars, one's meant to drive daily(yes that does happen), track focused cars, etc. I don't know if the Perforamnte will beat the ZR1 nor do I care and I doubt the ZR1 will beat the Performante at the ring so what's that mean? Nothing really, it all goes back to what I said that no car is the fastest at every track. If you think that is condescending or ignorant then oh well, that's your problem not mine.
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Whatever nothing in my comments was ignorant or condescending, I own a C7 and a Lambo so I have a pretty good idea as to how both are built. However I even stated that the ZR1 will probably beat exotics at certain tracks and exotics will beat the ZR1. Why are you so pissy over it. And the fit and finish on them aren't subjective, it's pretty clear to anyone the lambo is put together better. I love it when corvette owners get their pants twisted over an exotic owner and have to always go back to something like the Lightning Lap.
Funny you compared the Z06 to the Huracan 610-4 so there you go comparing a track focused car to a non track focused car which is what a lot of people do, because as I stated most don't realize that exotic manufactures make different levels of their cars, one's meant to drive daily(yes that does happen), track focused cars, etc. I don't know if the Perforamnte will beat the ZR1 nor do I care and I doubt the ZR1 will beat the Performante at the ring so what's that mean? Nothing really, it all goes back to what I said that no car is the fastest at every track. If you think that is condescending or ignorant then oh well, that's your problem not mine.
Funny you compared the Z06 to the Huracan 610-4 so there you go comparing a track focused car to a non track focused car which is what a lot of people do, because as I stated most don't realize that exotic manufactures make different levels of their cars, one's meant to drive daily(yes that does happen), track focused cars, etc. I don't know if the Perforamnte will beat the ZR1 nor do I care and I doubt the ZR1 will beat the Performante at the ring so what's that mean? Nothing really, it all goes back to what I said that no car is the fastest at every track. If you think that is condescending or ignorant then oh well, that's your problem not mine.
If I had the money, would I take a loaded 720S over a ZR1... probably.
But the quality, fit & finish of the 2019 C7 models is very high for the price paid. It really isn't fair to compare fit & finish or built quality on hand-made vehicles costing 3x - 4x the price of C7's.
By that same logic, are Lambos & Ferraris junk compared to Bugatti's? Certainly not.
I have a 2018 Z06, and the improvements the new paint plant made are stunning compared to my model year.
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I understand your POV.
If I had the money, would I take a loaded 720S over a ZR1... probably.
But the quality, fit & finish of the 2019 C7 models is very high for the price paid. It really isn't fair to compare fit & finish or built quality on hand-made vehicles costing 3x - 4x the price of C7's.
By that same logic, are Lambos & Ferraris junk compared to Bugatti's? Certainly not.
I have a 2018 Z06, and the improvements the new paint plant made are stunning compared to my model year.
If I had the money, would I take a loaded 720S over a ZR1... probably.
But the quality, fit & finish of the 2019 C7 models is very high for the price paid. It really isn't fair to compare fit & finish or built quality on hand-made vehicles costing 3x - 4x the price of C7's.
By that same logic, are Lambos & Ferraris junk compared to Bugatti's? Certainly not.
I have a 2018 Z06, and the improvements the new paint plant made are stunning compared to my model year.
The Huracan despite it's price tag does have plastic, too much in fact imo, which has been a complaint of mine. They since fixed that with the Performante with their forged carbon but really that's just a lower cost version of carbon fiber, so that car has it's faults of it's own. Is it fast, yes but all these cars are fast now, if one car finishes the ring in 6:50 and another in 6:59 that is irrelevant to me because me and 99% of the people who have these cars wont ever achieve anything close to that. So I look at what the average joe like myself can actually relate to. How fast does it go to 60mph, to 100mph, in a 1/4 and 1/2 mile and how will it feel at a typical track day, along with the interior and build quality. The huracan or the vette can do a lighting lap in 2:50 or 2:40 wont effect my decision either way. As to why some magazine people like euro cars more they just do, probably nothing going to change that, just like probably most everyone on here likes a C7 more than a mustang.
And trust me, you wouldn't want a loaded 720s, I almost pulled the trigger on one about 2 months back then the issues started to become more common. Now it seems they are almost as common as the previous cars they've made. Yes they are fast, but the lacking in the QC department. I saw a pic of the upper door trim, it looks as though it's held on by silicon and there's many things like that with the car or held on with velcro or two sided tape, not what you'd expect in a 300k car.
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I understand your POV.
If I had the money, would I take a loaded 720S over a ZR1... probably.
But the quality, fit & finish of the 2019 C7 models is very high for the price paid. It really isn't fair to compare fit & finish or built quality on hand-made vehicles costing 3x - 4x the price of C7's.
By that same logic, are Lambos & Ferraris junk compared to Bugatti's? Certainly not.
I have a 2018 Z06, and the improvements the new paint plant made are stunning compared to my model year.
If I had the money, would I take a loaded 720S over a ZR1... probably.
But the quality, fit & finish of the 2019 C7 models is very high for the price paid. It really isn't fair to compare fit & finish or built quality on hand-made vehicles costing 3x - 4x the price of C7's.
By that same logic, are Lambos & Ferraris junk compared to Bugatti's? Certainly not.
I have a 2018 Z06, and the improvements the new paint plant made are stunning compared to my model year.
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Motor Trend's first drive has been added to the original post.
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give me the choice of a Mercedes S550 or a Bentley, and I’d take the Mercedes every time. Half or third the price and much better quality in my opinion. But the Bently assembly is a true art compared to machine assembly. To each there own. It’s not always about price.
I don't follow - do you mean that if you had to spend $135k on a loaded S560 or $230k for a Flying Spur you would spend the $135k on the benz because it is better value? You're not saying that if I was going to buy you one of them for your birthday you would take the Benz, right?
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give me the choice of a Mercedes S550 or a Bentley, and I’d take the Mercedes every time. Half or third the price and much better quality in my opinion. But the Bently assembly is a true art compared to machine assembly. To each there own. It’s not always about price.
Care to qualify this statement?