Is the C7 ZR1 the most powerful manual car?
04-27-2018, 02:01 AM
#1
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Is the C7 ZR1 the most powerful manual car?
Is it? Is it the most powerful manual mass produce car out right now? Save for maybe 1 or 2 million dollar car. Also, is it the fastest American sports car, in terms of top speed?
04-27-2018, 02:08 AM
#2
Good point, most of the high horsepower luxury/exotic/sport/hypercars have been using all sorts of automatic/dual clutch solutions for a long time now. The ZR1 might really be the most powerful mass produced car with a proper transmission. Ford GT might take the title for the top speed.
04-27-2018, 04:39 AM
#3
Burning Brakes
- YES! And as I've been saying for a while now (and mostly why I bought my mine) the C7 ZR1 is the ONLY current and probably the LAST manual transmission sports car ever made - with the exception of the MX-5 and BRZ, which are not really comparable. Everything else is flappy paddle - with or without torque converters. There is a fair chance this may be the last manual Corvette too, if the C8 transmission rumors become true.
p.s. Ford just announced that they will cease ALL car production (next year? I think that was it) except for the Mustang and Focus, instead selling only vehicles the EPA classifies as light trucks (SUVs). The end is nigh.
p.s. Ford just announced that they will cease ALL car production (next year? I think that was it) except for the Mustang and Focus, instead selling only vehicles the EPA classifies as light trucks (SUVs). The end is nigh.
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04-27-2018, 10:30 AM
#4
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Good point, most of the high horsepower luxury/exotic/sport/hypercars have been using all sorts of automatic/dual clutch solutions for a long time now. The ZR1 might really be the most powerful mass produced car with a proper transmission. Ford GT might take the title for the top speed.
04-27-2018, 10:35 AM
#5
Le Mans Master
c8 will likely be a paddle only affair, if you want big HP and a stick, time is now.
Are you ZR-1 guys interested in the ZR-1 Net Registry?
I was the former prez of the ZR-1 club and I think we should expand this to encompass all 4 generations of ZR-1
Are you ZR-1 guys interested in the ZR-1 Net Registry?
I was the former prez of the ZR-1 club and I think we should expand this to encompass all 4 generations of ZR-1
04-27-2018, 10:44 AM
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/ab...except-mustang
04-27-2018, 03:41 PM
#7
Burning Brakes
So this caught my attention and decided to post a source. It is a pretty drastic move on Ford's part. They're really going all in on the whole SUV thing:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/ab...except-mustang
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/ab...except-mustang
Here is what I wrote to a friend yesterday, when he asked me what I thought about Ford's decision:
In short: "In a democracy the public gets the leaders they deserve"
a.k.a. "heads up their asses"
...or the shorter version of the longer version: The collective has bitched about irrational, nonsensical and unrelated aspects of car ownership over the past few decades to such an extent that, fueled by overlapping bureaucracies, they have voluntarily and systematically given up freedoms and efficiency to feel better about being worse off. And doesn't that sound just like political system today?
The feedback loop of marketing and consumer response, ever since the minivan stigma was applied to recreate and make popular the less efficient SUV, has been a snowball rolling downhill. It picks up matter and momentum, self-feeding, without an outside system (presumably government) to guide it at opportune moments it just keeps getting larger and faster. Unfortunately government regulators (NHTSA, CARB, EPA) are even bigger snowballs on complimentary trajectories, reinforcing each other.
So since the early 90s car design has been affected socially to get progressively less efficient while simultaneously being engineered to get more efficient, so the uninformed (99% of buyers) don't even know that they could have more efficient, better performing, roomier vehicles than what is offered. Instead they are encouraged to buy bigger heavier trucks (GVW overlap) instead of smaller lighter cars. Wagons are all but removed from production, even though EVERYONE wants to buy wagons (SUVs are wagons, just lifted and less efficient).
And entitlement? Sure, add 800lbs to every car via extensive wiring harnesses...how else do you end up with midsize luxury sedans weighing 4500lbs while using lightweight alluminum and high strength steel? But it's ok, it gets 28mpg. Nevermind that without the bloat it could be getting 35mpg and cost 25% less to build. But then the higher the average vehicle price the higher the profits even with the same margin - and we know that adding feature content increases margin. That's why dealers hate selling subcompacts.
Franklin: "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither." Perhaps a stretch in this case, but it relates metaphorically.
Boingo (best band ever): "Better dumb and happy than smart and without any friends."
Have you seen the movie Idiocracy?
a.k.a. "heads up their asses"
...or the shorter version of the longer version: The collective has bitched about irrational, nonsensical and unrelated aspects of car ownership over the past few decades to such an extent that, fueled by overlapping bureaucracies, they have voluntarily and systematically given up freedoms and efficiency to feel better about being worse off. And doesn't that sound just like political system today?
The feedback loop of marketing and consumer response, ever since the minivan stigma was applied to recreate and make popular the less efficient SUV, has been a snowball rolling downhill. It picks up matter and momentum, self-feeding, without an outside system (presumably government) to guide it at opportune moments it just keeps getting larger and faster. Unfortunately government regulators (NHTSA, CARB, EPA) are even bigger snowballs on complimentary trajectories, reinforcing each other.
So since the early 90s car design has been affected socially to get progressively less efficient while simultaneously being engineered to get more efficient, so the uninformed (99% of buyers) don't even know that they could have more efficient, better performing, roomier vehicles than what is offered. Instead they are encouraged to buy bigger heavier trucks (GVW overlap) instead of smaller lighter cars. Wagons are all but removed from production, even though EVERYONE wants to buy wagons (SUVs are wagons, just lifted and less efficient).
And entitlement? Sure, add 800lbs to every car via extensive wiring harnesses...how else do you end up with midsize luxury sedans weighing 4500lbs while using lightweight alluminum and high strength steel? But it's ok, it gets 28mpg. Nevermind that without the bloat it could be getting 35mpg and cost 25% less to build. But then the higher the average vehicle price the higher the profits even with the same margin - and we know that adding feature content increases margin. That's why dealers hate selling subcompacts.
Franklin: "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither." Perhaps a stretch in this case, but it relates metaphorically.
Boingo (best band ever): "Better dumb and happy than smart and without any friends."
Have you seen the movie Idiocracy?
04-27-2018, 08:43 PM
#8
Safety Car
I believe it is the fastest production car with proper stick shift, which is pretty neat!
And the only car to battle for the throne is going to be a future Mustang. But if Ford doesn't break 755hp then it might hold the record forever.
It's probably the fasted, ie. top speed, manual production car as well. I don't count cars like the McLaren F1 a production car. There is not much in the way of a production line.
And the only car to battle for the throne is going to be a future Mustang. But if Ford doesn't break 755hp then it might hold the record forever.
It's probably the fasted, ie. top speed, manual production car as well. I don't count cars like the McLaren F1 a production car. There is not much in the way of a production line.
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04-28-2018, 03:50 AM
#9
Burning Brakes
I believe it is the fastest production car with proper stick shift, which is pretty neat!
And the only car to battle for the throne is going to be a future Mustang. But if Ford doesn't break 755hp then it might hold the record forever.
It's probably the fasted, ie. top speed, manual production car as well. I don't count cars like the McLaren F1 a production car. There is not much in the way of a production line.
And the only car to battle for the throne is going to be a future Mustang. But if Ford doesn't break 755hp then it might hold the record forever.
It's probably the fasted, ie. top speed, manual production car as well. I don't count cars like the McLaren F1 a production car. There is not much in the way of a production line.
That being said, I am pretty sure that the ZR1 would annihilate it on any road course. Direct comparison will probably never happen, but we have evidence we can deduce a comparison from. For example, F1 lap time at Le Mans was about 4:02
Also consider this. MacLaren themselves have stated their current street cars perform better than the F1, and none of those cars holds a lap record at VIR.
Last edited by Palantirion; 04-28-2018 at 03:51 AM.
03-30-2019, 06:05 PM
#11
Le Mans Master
04-01-2019, 11:09 AM
#14
Race Director
04-01-2019, 02:04 PM
#15
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Can it be said now that it is since the Shelby did not come with a manual... as yet.
04-01-2019, 02:11 PM
#16
Le Mans Master
I think the closest is a Hellcat - 707hp, 6spd manual available.
Ford GT is DCT only correct? and barely a production car; you have to 'qualify' to buy one....
Ford GT is DCT only correct? and barely a production car; you have to 'qualify' to buy one....
04-01-2019, 04:35 PM
#17
Burning Brakes
-Didn't know the Hellcat could be had with a manual. That's pretty cool! So that's a close second (nevermind it isn't a sports car). Anything else? No BMWs, Mercs, Astons or Jags come with manuals on their top model configs. Same for Alfa, and I believe also for Porche. Obviously not Lambo or any of the hypercars (Bugatti, Koenigsegg, PAgani, etc.).
04-01-2019, 08:09 PM
#18
Le Mans Master
04-01-2019, 09:39 PM
#19
Burning Brakes
04-10-2019, 11:48 AM
#20
Also, porsche can if they wanted to can make a manual GT2 RS. They've probably done a survey with current GT3 RS and GT2 RS owners if they'd be interested in a manual GT2.