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Old 05-19-2018, 07:30 PM
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Is there a good aftermarket carb that will fit with the stock intake and air cleaner on a '79 L-82 4 speed? My car runs great with the quadrajet but sometimes it floods on hot starts and diesels after turning off. The timing is set at 36 degrees at maximum advance and the idle is set at 900 rpm's. I would like to get a new carb but I don't want to change the intake.
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Run-on after shutdown is not a carb issue - it's caused by excessive throttle blade opening at engine shutdown (excessively high rpm). Flooding at hot start is also not likely a carb problem - it's a heat soak problem that can be corrected with a reflective heat shield. Replacing the High Performance 800 CFM L82 Q-Jet is not likely to fix any problems other than provide you with a significant decrease in overall performance.

...But if you do decide to get rid of that Q-Jet, please send it to me - I have people standing in lines waiting for a carb like that..!

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Originally Posted by lars
Run-on after shutdown is not a carb issue - it's caused by excessive throttle blade opening at engine shutdown (excessively high rpm). Flooding at hot start is also not likely a carb problem - it's a heat soak problem that can be corrected with a reflective heat shield.

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Lars is the MAN who know carbs!!!! Trust his recommendations! I had a Holley 650 sent to him after many many problems and when I got it back, I installed with and it's been running perfectly...and that was 8-9 years ago!!
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Originally Posted by lars
Run-on after shutdown is not a carb issue - it's caused by excessive throttle blade opening at engine shutdown (excessively high rpm). Flooding at hot start is also not likely a carb problem - it's a heat soak problem that can be corrected with a reflective heat shield. Replacing the High Performance 800 CFM L82 Q-Jet is not likely to fix any problems other than provide you with a significant decrease in overall performance.

...But if you do decide to get rid of that Q-Jet, please send it to me - I have people standing in lines waiting for a carb like that..!

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Thanks Lars! I'll try the heat shield and see if that helps with the heat soak issue. Is there a particular shield that you recommend? Any advice on fixing the run-on issue?
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Your problem may be simple - too much timing and idle too high. Unless you're running a pretty radical cam, turn the idle down to 700/750. That may fix your problem. If it persists, you can also try turning your timing back a degree or two, then readjust idle. It's most likely the idle sitting too high and the motor doesn't want to shut down. 900 with a 4-speed in neutral is quite high.

I'm speaking here to the run-on problem, not flooding. Yes, you should run the heat shield on the intake.

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Your problem may be simple - too much timing and idle too high. Unless you're running a pretty radical cam, turn the idle down to 700/750. That may fix your problem. If it persists, you can also try turning your timing back a degree or two, then readjust idle. It's most likely the idle sitting too high and the motor doesn't want to shut down. 900 with a 4-speed in neutral is quite high.

I'm speaking here to the run-on problem, not flooding. Yes, you should run the heat shield on the intake.
I'll try 700 and see what happens. I set it at 900 because that's what it say's on the emissions label and in the shop manual for the L-82 with manual transmission.

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Does carburetor have electric idle solenoid?
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Does carburetor have electric idle solenoid?
No,it has the stock air choke.
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I agree about continuous use of the qjet but to answer your question. Forum member JB78L-82 is using a Holley 4175 with original intake and air cleaner on his 78L82. If I needed to swap this is what I would buy also. My 78 L82 4spd, also calls for 900rpm idle.

https://www.holley.com/blog/post/4165_4175_carburetors/
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There should be a idle solenoid that would be set for 900 rpm. The base idle screw on carb would be at maybe 500.. When the key is in run the solenoid extends to hold throttle open for idle. When key is turned to off the solenoid retracts and throttle closes slightly to prevent " run on".
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Originally Posted by karol
I agree about continuous use of the qjet but to answer your question. Forum member JB78L-82 is using a Holley 4175 with original intake and air cleaner on his 78L82. If I needed to swap this is what I would buy also. My 78 L82 4spd, also calls for 900rpm idle.

https://www.holley.com/blog/post/4165_4175_carburetors/
I would go with Lars looking at your OEM Qjet if the issue truly is a carb one (there was no LARS for me to send my OEM Qjet to back in 1985!). I have had my Holley 650 CFM vacuum secondary Qjet replacement on my L-82 since 1985, rebuilt 2X by me in my garage in the last 32 years, and still going. Great carb since it has worked perfectly on the rebuilt/upgraded (2014) L-82 355 with 425+ Gross HP
with minimal effort outside of going up 5 jet sizes after the rebuild from a 63 main jet to a 68...Probs still needs a couple size more jet with the 1 7/8 LTH on the engine now to breath.
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Originally Posted by Kevova
There should be a idle solenoid that would be set for 900 rpm. The base idle screw on carb would be at maybe 500.. When the key is in run the solenoid extends to hold throttle open for idle. When key is turned to off the solenoid retracts and throttle closes slightly to prevent " run on".
I might be crazy here. Someone is sure to confirm it....There are anti dieseling solenoids that de-energize when the key shuts off the motor AND air conditioning solenoids that get power only during A/C operation. Depending on the application, the solenoid may be there for A/C. Some cars use a solenoid to bump open the throttle a bit to compensate for the A/C drag once the compressor kicks in.

They look the same but have different functions. Crazy or not?

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Originally Posted by Kevova
There should be a idle solenoid that would be set for 900 rpm. The base idle screw on carb would be at maybe 500.. When the key is in run the solenoid extends to hold throttle open for idle. When key is turned to off the solenoid retracts and throttle closes slightly to prevent " run on".
No idle solenoid on the '79 4 speed.
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Originally Posted by Kevova
Does carburetor have electric idle solenoid?
Sorry,I misread your question. It does not have the idle solenoid.
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Lars already popped in here but I am going to go a step further and suggest checking your float.......condition and setting. Can't hurt and it is free if you break the gasket free without damaging.

Yes....dieseling is caused by throttle plates too far open.
Hot start can be heat also.......try the aforementioned heat shield or a thin phenolic carb base gasket.......many stock Q-jet gaskets are extra thick if you do your research.

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Does anybody know which heat shield is best for my carb?
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Originally Posted by L-82 4Speed
Does anybody know which heat shield is best for my carb?
This one is the factory kind...although it is discontinued......
https://paceperformance.com/i-625030...jet-carbs.html

This looks promising.....but you will need the thick base gaskets to go with it....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ROCHESTER-Q...-/252484955745

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Here's a possible quick fix. Are you already running high-octane gas? Mine is an L-48 4-speed, so it should run fine on 87. Except that it doesn't.


It ran hot (too lean?) and dieseled at shutdown. I switched to 93 octane and the problem went away.
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Originally Posted by Bikespace
Here's a possible quick fix. Are you already running high-octane gas? Mine is an L-48 4-speed, so it should run fine on 87. Except that it doesn't.


It ran hot (too lean?) and dieseled at shutdown. I switched to 93 octane and the problem went away.
I do use 93 octane but I just found a station nearby that has ethanol free so I'm going to try that since the boiling point is much higher. I'll fill up tomorrow and see how that works.
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The idle adjustment is a quick fix - takes only the amount of time to start the car and open the hood. No need for a 900 rpm idle.


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