Oil filter... who knows the answer to this question?
#1
Drifting
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Oil filter... who knows the answer to this question?
There are some manufacturers that recommend a filter with a specific bypass oil pressure channel for the oil filter under heavy loads (that also has an anti drainback valve). Does anybody know what/if/is there published data on what the GM engineers recommend for the C7. (LT1/LT4)
specifically the OEM filter may meet these specs, however... It may not not have the best filtration properties (for obvious reasons)
aftermarket oil filters exist for virtually all cars on the road.
if there is a spec for the filter that meets or exceeds OEM recommendation, and filters better than OEM does anyone have any data to back that up?
specifically the OEM filter may meet these specs, however... It may not not have the best filtration properties (for obvious reasons)
aftermarket oil filters exist for virtually all cars on the road.
if there is a spec for the filter that meets or exceeds OEM recommendation, and filters better than OEM does anyone have any data to back that up?
#2
Le Mans Master
22psi; Mobil tech support confirmed to me that the M1-113 & M1-113A filters meet this spec.
#3
Race Director
Do yourself a favor and don't waste your time and energy on this and just use the PF64 that GM made and recommends for the C7.
I owned a chain of auto parts stores for years, sold millions of the major brand filters and could give you a very detailed and analytical answer, however I'm going to take the advice I gave you and not waste my time.
I owned a chain of auto parts stores for years, sold millions of the major brand filters and could give you a very detailed and analytical answer, however I'm going to take the advice I gave you and not waste my time.
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#4
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Do yourself a favor and don't waste your time and energy on this and just use the PF64 that GM made and recommends for the C7.
I owned a chain of auto parts stores for years, sold millions of the major brand filters and could give you a very detailed and analytical answer, however I'm going to take the advice I gave you and not waste my time.
I owned a chain of auto parts stores for years, sold millions of the major brand filters and could give you a very detailed and analytical answer, however I'm going to take the advice I gave you and not waste my time.
#5
Drifting
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Do yourself a favor and don't waste your time and energy on this and just use the PF64 that GM made and recommends for the C7.
I owned a chain of auto parts stores for years, sold millions of the major brand filters and could give you a very detailed and analytical answer, however I'm going to take the advice I gave you and not waste my time.
I owned a chain of auto parts stores for years, sold millions of the major brand filters and could give you a very detailed and analytical answer, however I'm going to take the advice I gave you and not waste my time.
"if there is a spec for the filter that meets or exceeds OEM recommendation, and filters better than OEM does anyone have any data to back that up? "
Backup your statement, not with sales figures....Or just stay out of the thread. Better not waste anymore of your time.
#7
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Not to be snippy, but I've tried to help with questions like this several times before based on my fairly substantial experience (auto battery life, lower engine rebuild etc) only to be told by clueless poster after clueless poster why I was wrong.
So just no longer wasting too much time going in to detail.
So just no longer wasting too much time going in to detail.
#8
Kevin, I get your response. No good deed goes unpunished here.
Moreover, your advice was sound. Just use what GM recommends. It's not like you're saving money using something else, and you avoid any possibility of warranty complications in worst case scenarios.
Moreover, your advice was sound. Just use what GM recommends. It's not like you're saving money using something else, and you avoid any possibility of warranty complications in worst case scenarios.
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#9
Not to be snippy, but I've tried to help with questions like this several times before based on my fairly substantial experience (auto battery life, lower engine rebuild etc) only to be told by clueless poster after clueless poster why I was wrong.
So just no longer wasting too much time going in to detail.
So just no longer wasting too much time going in to detail.
I see no reason to second guess auto engineers on their recommendation for things like oil filters.
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#10
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This is the email response I got from them:
Patrick
The M1-113A has a by-pass valve set at 12-18 psid at 1/10 gallon flow. Champion Laboratories makes the AC Delco PF64 oil filter and the Mobil 1 M1-113/M1-113A filters and we stand behind any of these three listed filters when used on the 2018 Chevrolet Corvette.
Tech Hotline
Phone: 800-882-0890 2
The M1-113A has a by-pass valve set at 12-18 psid at 1/10 gallon flow. Champion Laboratories makes the AC Delco PF64 oil filter and the Mobil 1 M1-113/M1-113A filters and we stand behind any of these three listed filters when used on the 2018 Chevrolet Corvette.
Tech Hotline
Phone: 800-882-0890 2
BTW, there is a new Fram Ultra filter coming out that fits the C7 that has the 22psi bypass, it's XG12060. Also, the Wix WL10290 and the NAPA Gold 100290 are just hitting the stores now and have the 22psi bypass as well.
#11
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Not to be snippy, but I've tried to help with questions like this several times before based on my fairly substantial experience (auto battery life, lower engine rebuild etc) only to be told by clueless poster after clueless poster why I was wrong.
So just no longer wasting too much time going in to detail.
So just no longer wasting too much time going in to detail.
I just think its funny how the best advice is sometimes delivered.
Your post was one of those times.
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#12
UPF64R! Most filters never bypass. If they do bypass the engine gets unfiltered oil, big deal.
#13
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I won't present what I'm saying as fact, but I'll present my opinion. You can place whatever value you see fit on my opinion;
I've read a bulletin from GM that says "our" filters have a bypass pressure of 22 PSI and that is the proper bypass setting for our cars. The memo "warned" of substitute filters that had lower bypass settings.
I contacted Mobil and K&N and requested information on both their filters. Both responded their filters had bypass settings in the 12-18 PSI range, but also stated their filter media was such that it filtered oil very well at a lower pressure, and their filters were entirely acceptable for use in our cars. Both seemed familiar with GM's 22 PSI spec, but believe their filters performed as well or better than the GM filter.
The ONE filter I found (beside GM) with a set pressure of 22 PSI was Wix. Wix makes two filters for our car; the WL-10290, and the WL-10290XP http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/Par...x?Part=2168039
Both Wix filters have a GM specified bypass pressure of 22 PSI. The XP designation is a premium filter and "better than their non XP version. The XP filter is about $11 and the non XP filter is significantly less.
I personally believe what Mobil and K&N told me regarding their filters working very well in our cars, and the specific bypass pressure not being THE critical component. Their contention is that their filters do a great job at filter as much (or more) oil due to their premium filter media as do the GM filters at higher pressures.
All that said, I think the Wix premium filter is a very good filter AND it has the proper set pressure. Seems to be the best of both worlds to me. I get the added benefit of a "premium" filter (which is what I'm looking for in a Mobil or K&N) plus having the correct bypass pressure.
I personally don't want to give GM and "excuse" not to warranty my car for using a filter with a spec that's outside what they suggest (even though I personally think it's ok). I further think that if warranty was my primary concern, I'd use the GM filter. However, I want to maintain the warranty AND utilize a premium filter. The Wix WL-10290XP fits that bill for me. FOR ME! However, I completely understand the basis for using the GM filter, the K&N, the Mobil, and any other brand name filter. Each person uses a different weighting on the elements they believe constitute the "best" filter. That's the reason you get so many differing answers to questions about oil and filters.
I've read a bulletin from GM that says "our" filters have a bypass pressure of 22 PSI and that is the proper bypass setting for our cars. The memo "warned" of substitute filters that had lower bypass settings.
I contacted Mobil and K&N and requested information on both their filters. Both responded their filters had bypass settings in the 12-18 PSI range, but also stated their filter media was such that it filtered oil very well at a lower pressure, and their filters were entirely acceptable for use in our cars. Both seemed familiar with GM's 22 PSI spec, but believe their filters performed as well or better than the GM filter.
The ONE filter I found (beside GM) with a set pressure of 22 PSI was Wix. Wix makes two filters for our car; the WL-10290, and the WL-10290XP http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/Par...x?Part=2168039
Both Wix filters have a GM specified bypass pressure of 22 PSI. The XP designation is a premium filter and "better than their non XP version. The XP filter is about $11 and the non XP filter is significantly less.
I personally believe what Mobil and K&N told me regarding their filters working very well in our cars, and the specific bypass pressure not being THE critical component. Their contention is that their filters do a great job at filter as much (or more) oil due to their premium filter media as do the GM filters at higher pressures.
All that said, I think the Wix premium filter is a very good filter AND it has the proper set pressure. Seems to be the best of both worlds to me. I get the added benefit of a "premium" filter (which is what I'm looking for in a Mobil or K&N) plus having the correct bypass pressure.
I personally don't want to give GM and "excuse" not to warranty my car for using a filter with a spec that's outside what they suggest (even though I personally think it's ok). I further think that if warranty was my primary concern, I'd use the GM filter. However, I want to maintain the warranty AND utilize a premium filter. The Wix WL-10290XP fits that bill for me. FOR ME! However, I completely understand the basis for using the GM filter, the K&N, the Mobil, and any other brand name filter. Each person uses a different weighting on the elements they believe constitute the "best" filter. That's the reason you get so many differing answers to questions about oil and filters.
#14
For my cars with custom built engines that don’t come from a factory (like street rods) I always use Wix or Baldwin filters. IMO they’re the best. But for newer cars I use OEM. Easy, cheap, and it works. If you’re worried about oil cleanliness, change it more often.
#15
Le Mans Master
"The Mobil 1 M1-113 or M1-113A both use a 22psi by-pass valve."
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#16
Race Director
I personally believe what Mobil and K&N told me regarding their filters working very well in our cars, and the specific bypass pressure not being THE critical component. Their contention is that their filters do a great job at filter as much (or more) oil due to their premium filter media as do the GM filters at higher pressures.
All that said, I think the Wix premium filter is a very good filter AND it has the proper set pressure. Seems to be the best of both worlds to me. I get the added benefit of a "premium" filter (which is what I'm looking for in a Mobil or K&N) plus having the correct bypass pressure.
I personally don't want to give GM and "excuse" not to warranty my car for using a filter with a spec that's outside what they suggest (even though I personally think it's ok). I further think that if warranty was my primary concern, I'd use the GM filter. However, I want to maintain the warranty AND utilize a premium filter. The Wix WL-10290XP fits that bill for me. FOR ME! However, I completely understand the basis for using the GM filter, the K&N, the Mobil, and any other brand name filter. Each person uses a different weighting on the elements they believe constitute the "best" filter. That's the reason you get so many differing answers to questions about oil and filters.
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#19
Drifting
Just a reminder to those who always believe that GM filters, fluids etc. are the absolute best... remember that all GM cares about is getting the vehicle to last through the warranty period. Not saying they deliberately supply inadequate products, just that they don't have a financial interest in durability beyond the warranty. On the contrary, lack of durability beyond the warranty is a profit making opportunity. For my purposes the Mobil 1 and WIX filters are perfectly good choices.
#20
Race Director
That filter really isn't a "premium" filter like the old Ultraguard Gold UPF44 filter that we used to run on the C5s back in the day. The UPF64R is actually a filter made for the smaller GM engines like the 1.5 liter turbo engine in the Cruze or the Spark. (it's even the filter for the Chevy Volt) So don't let the UPF designation (or the R at the end) make you think it's some sort of special racing filter or anything similar the Ultraguard Gold filters from before. Your money is still better spent upgrading to Wix, NAPA Gold or the Fram Ultra XG12060 when it's available.