Newb question about supercharger kits
07-16-2018, 01:35 PM
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Newb question about supercharger kits
Hello everyone, I am new to forum's as well as owning a corvette (14 stingray z51). I have been loving the car but find myself getting the mod bug so to speak.
I have been looking into supercharger kits and have determined I want a centrifugal type supercharger since I would like to still have drive ability and do some drag racing as well as running the car at the track(roadcorse). I'm between procharger kit and A&A kit. Help my newbself figure this out!
That being said which kit do you guys recommend? How much should I expect to pay for the kit? How much for Install? How much for the Tune? Do any kits have risk of overheating at the track? Have you guys noticed any change in reliability?
I don't plan on doing any other supporting mods right now and I already have a corsa catback already on the car.
I have been looking into supercharger kits and have determined I want a centrifugal type supercharger since I would like to still have drive ability and do some drag racing as well as running the car at the track(roadcorse). I'm between procharger kit and A&A kit. Help my newbself figure this out!
That being said which kit do you guys recommend? How much should I expect to pay for the kit? How much for Install? How much for the Tune? Do any kits have risk of overheating at the track? Have you guys noticed any change in reliability?
I don't plan on doing any other supporting mods right now and I already have a corsa catback already on the car.
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07-16-2018, 03:58 PM
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Hello everyone, I am new to forum's as well as owning a corvette (14 stingray z51). I have been loving the car but find myself getting the mod bug so to speak.
I have been looking into supercharger kits and have determined I want a centrifugal type supercharger since I would like to still have drive ability and do some drag racing as well as running the car at the track(roadcorse). I'm between procharger kit and A&A kit. Help my newbself figure this out!
That being said which kit do you guys recommend? How much should I expect to pay for the kit? How much for Install? How much for the Tune? Do any kits have risk of overheating at the track? Have you guys noticed any change in reliability?
I don't plan on doing any other supporting mods right now and I already have a corsa catback already on the car.
I have been looking into supercharger kits and have determined I want a centrifugal type supercharger since I would like to still have drive ability and do some drag racing as well as running the car at the track(roadcorse). I'm between procharger kit and A&A kit. Help my newbself figure this out!
That being said which kit do you guys recommend? How much should I expect to pay for the kit? How much for Install? How much for the Tune? Do any kits have risk of overheating at the track? Have you guys noticed any change in reliability?
I don't plan on doing any other supporting mods right now and I already have a corsa catback already on the car.
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DOUG @ ECS (07-16-2018)
07-16-2018, 05:19 PM
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Hey Nitro-C5 thanks for the response. Can you shed some light as to what made you go with the ECS kit? Do you ever take the car to a roadcourse or drag strip? If so how did it perform (any overheating issues)?
07-16-2018, 05:50 PM
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Both kits mentioned are good kits. We just did the A&A kit last week on a Stingray. With the stock manifolds, we made just over 600 wheel. I'd have to double check but installed and tuned you'd be in the $8K range depending on the options you selected with the kit.
This type of supercharger would do fine on a road course. See the above mentioned system and the others we offer HERE
Let me know how I can assist.
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Antonio Velarde
This type of supercharger would do fine on a road course. See the above mentioned system and the others we offer HERE
Let me know how I can assist.
best regard
Antonio Velarde
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07-16-2018, 08:18 PM
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Both kits mentioned are good kits. We just did the A&A kit last week on a Stingray. With the stock manifolds, we made just over 600 wheel. I'd have to double check but installed and tuned you'd be in the $8K range depending on the options you selected with the kit.
This type of supercharger would do fine on a road course. See the above mentioned system and the others we offer HERE
Let me know how I can assist.
best regard
Antonio Velarde
This type of supercharger would do fine on a road course. See the above mentioned system and the others we offer HERE
Let me know how I can assist.
best regard
Antonio Velarde
Thanks for the pricing information.
Do you have any ideas as to why someone as chosen A&A over Procharger or vice-versa?
07-16-2018, 08:41 PM
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I do HPDE and AutoCross but for the most part this is going to be a street car that I will play with at the track occasionally. With my calculations a Novi 1500, with Headers, Hi flow cats, LT4 Pump and Meth I should be ~660rwhp in that range and still be safe.
Like I said hard to go wrong with any of these kits, but I feel if you are going to be in the 8-12lbs boost range on stock pistons and Meth and want a pretty turn key set up...very hard to beat ECS.
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07-17-2018, 10:45 AM
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Thanks for all this great info everyone. I was talking with pro charger face to face at a recent car event and they told me other kits will over heat at the track(road course, not auto cross) very quickly and they bought the competitor kit and did in house testing to prove this. They said it overheated within a few laps and that theirs would not.
Im trying to determine if they are blowing smoke and just trying to boost their own product or if there is truth to it. Really would like to hear from someone who actually regularly tracks their car with one of these super chargers. What tuneing software are you guys using as well? I see the kits may just come with one???
Im trying to determine if they are blowing smoke and just trying to boost their own product or if there is truth to it. Really would like to hear from someone who actually regularly tracks their car with one of these super chargers. What tuneing software are you guys using as well? I see the kits may just come with one???
07-17-2018, 05:25 PM
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Thanks for all this great info everyone. I was talking with pro charger face to face at a recent car event and they told me other kits will over heat at the track(road course, not auto cross) very quickly and they bought the competitor kit and did in house testing to prove this. They said it overheated within a few laps and that theirs would not.
Im trying to determine if they are blowing smoke and just trying to boost their own product or if there is truth to it. Really would like to hear from someone who actually regularly tracks their car with one of these super chargers. What tuneing software are you guys using as well? I see the kits may just come with one???
Im trying to determine if they are blowing smoke and just trying to boost their own product or if there is truth to it. Really would like to hear from someone who actually regularly tracks their car with one of these super chargers. What tuneing software are you guys using as well? I see the kits may just come with one???
They all make great kits. My opinion I think ECS or A&A is 1A and 1B. I chose ECS early on because they give you the bigger blower novi 1500 and have a restrictor plate design to allow you to grow into more boost and power. ECS's service is great, but A&A's is also.
Where procharger shines is with the F1X. Neither ECS or A&A can really compete with that blower. If you're looking for stupid power I would lean procharger. If you're looking for common power 500-600 wheel choose between ECS and A&A.
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07-17-2018, 07:57 PM
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One other point is the base Procharger kit comes with a standard tune that should be tried and true if perhaps a bit conservative, and a device to load it. Not so with the others. So you’d have to spring for a custom tune and find someone you trust. Not saying it is better, just another detail. And I am not sure I believe your Procharger guy. They even say on their website that their kit with vertical inter cooler is ok for a few pulls but will probably overheat with sustained road course track use. They list their horizontal inter cooler for 2014 models only.
07-18-2018, 12:42 PM
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I've had an ECS kit for 3 years and it's never overheated once on me. They're full of it. It's because they never designed a horizontal mount IC for the common kit and the others did. So procharger says the horizontal mount will overheat.
They all make great kits. My opinion I think ECS or A&A is 1A and 1B. I chose ECS early on because they give you the bigger blower novi 1500 and have a restrictor plate design to allow you to grow into more boost and power. ECS's service is great, but A&A's is also.
Where procharger shines is with the F1X. Neither ECS or A&A can really compete with that blower. If you're looking for stupid power I would lean procharger. If you're looking for common power 500-600 wheel choose between ECS and A&A.
They all make great kits. My opinion I think ECS or A&A is 1A and 1B. I chose ECS early on because they give you the bigger blower novi 1500 and have a restrictor plate design to allow you to grow into more boost and power. ECS's service is great, but A&A's is also.
Where procharger shines is with the F1X. Neither ECS or A&A can really compete with that blower. If you're looking for stupid power I would lean procharger. If you're looking for common power 500-600 wheel choose between ECS and A&A.
Also what tuners/software are people using, or suggest using?
07-18-2018, 03:37 PM
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For me I went with procharger because its the easiest to install. I am doing it myself right now, that will immediately be THOUSANDS less assuming all goes well.
The supplied tune will be a lifesaver. I can always get it retuned when/if I add anything else.
If I say I can install the procharger but not the AA, then the money thing matters.
Procharger is no cutting or relocation of brake parts as well! Good luck!
The supplied tune will be a lifesaver. I can always get it retuned when/if I add anything else.
If I say I can install the procharger but not the AA, then the money thing matters.
Procharger is no cutting or relocation of brake parts as well! Good luck!
07-18-2018, 08:47 PM
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I went A&A and could not be happier. A&A will give you a base tune as well if you ask and have someone to upload it via HPtunners. My local shop Tick performance sells and install the a&A with tune for $5500. I did not do that as I bought my kit used for $3600 and installed myself and then had them tune it for $500. I make 638whp and 606tq with meth running 3.47 pulley. Andy at A&A was always there when I called and treated me as if I bought the kit from them new.mA&A customer service is beyond fantastic! If I was buying new it would either be A&A or ECS.
07-18-2018, 10:25 PM
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I went A&A and could not be happier. A&A will give you a base tune as well if you ask and have someone to upload it via HPtunners. My local shop Tick performance sells and install the a&A with tune for $5500. I did not do that as I bought my kit used for $3600 and installed myself and then had them tune it for $500. I make 638whp and 606tq with meth running 3.47 pulley. Andy at A&A was always there when I called and treated me as if I bought the kit from them new.mA&A customer service is beyond fantastic! If I was buying new it would either be A&A or ECS.
07-19-2018, 10:57 PM
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I chose A&A. I started with the Si (small blower), upgraded to the Ti (mid size) and now have upgraded again to the Ysi (big boy). When I was working on install of the Ysi I had questions and called the shop at like 10 or 11pm EST (7-8pm PST) and Andy answered the phone (well after they were closed, and he was at home) and talked with me for like 20 minutes to make sure he answered everything for me. Do I need to say any more than that about their customer service? Josh is also great. He has hooked me up with my Ti and Ysi kits at great prices. When I bought my first blower used from another member, I was missing a couple pieces so I called and Josh not only got me the parts I needed, but sent them to me for free no questions asked. If I ever go to Cali i’m taking those guys out for a couple beers..
07-20-2018, 09:27 AM
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Thanks for all this great info everyone. I was talking with pro charger face to face at a recent car event and they told me other kits will over heat at the track(road course, not auto cross) very quickly and they bought the competitor kit and did in house testing to prove this. They said it overheated within a few laps and that theirs would not.
Im trying to determine if they are blowing smoke and just trying to boost their own product or if there is truth to it. Really would like to hear from someone who actually regularly tracks their car with one of these super chargers. What tuneing software are you guys using as well? I see the kits may just come with one???
Im trying to determine if they are blowing smoke and just trying to boost their own product or if there is truth to it. Really would like to hear from someone who actually regularly tracks their car with one of these super chargers. What tuneing software are you guys using as well? I see the kits may just come with one???
Did he specifically say it wasn't one of the roots style kits?
07-20-2018, 04:23 PM
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Thanks for all this great info everyone. I was talking with pro charger face to face at a recent car event and they told me other kits will over heat at the track(road course, not auto cross) very quickly and they bought the competitor kit and did in house testing to prove this. They said it overheated within a few laps and that theirs would not.
Im trying to determine if they are blowing smoke and just trying to boost their own product or if there is truth to it. Really would like to hear from someone who actually regularly tracks their car with one of these super chargers. What tuneing software are you guys using as well? I see the kits may just come with one???
Im trying to determine if they are blowing smoke and just trying to boost their own product or if there is truth to it. Really would like to hear from someone who actually regularly tracks their car with one of these super chargers. What tuneing software are you guys using as well? I see the kits may just come with one???
We offer a base file with any kit purchase, just mail in your ECM when you start the install and we will send right back with a file loaded so you do not need to pay for an expensive transferring device or have a friend with software.
Also our 2200X kit has produced 1200 RWHP on the same brackets that the base kit comes on, very few are going past that but for those who do want more than that there is a new head unit coming out soon that is capable of 1500 HP that has the same mounting points as the 1500/2200HD/2200R/X.
07-20-2018, 08:35 PM
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Let me also chime in on the STELLAR customer service from ECS. During my build, I reached out to Doug because I knew they sold Mantic clutches and I damaged the O-rings for the throwout bearing spacer. Doug was kind enough to send me some proper sized O-rings (very tricky size NOT available at your regular hardware stores) and he did it free of charge knowing I was an A&A customer. ECS and A&A are the go to folks for supercharging your Vette! 
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07-21-2018, 08:58 AM
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He actually specifically mentioned A&A and ECS kits, which made me very surprised to hear and part of the reason of me starting this thread
07-21-2018, 09:28 AM
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As I mentioned prior (and several others have confirmed) you cannot go wrong with A&A and ECS....period. Both of those companies have built amazing reputations in the industry and especially on this forum. Procharger makes great units (I had an F1R on my previous Vette) and I'm not saying the Pro charger Rep is full of BS...but if he said that, then yeah he is. Ironically what you wont here is either A&A or ECS bashing other kits as they are stand up folks and professionals. Call them and you will see the difference.
07-21-2018, 11:52 AM
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I recommend the A&A kit. Better balancer, quality parts and fantastic customer service. Do NOT let them talk you out of the Ti head unit for the S1 unit. You may decide to turn it up down the road and the Ti upgrade cost me $2,000. Install is easy. Finding an experienced tuner is the only difficult part. Don't get greedy with power, keep it conservative around 600 as the ringlands on the pistons are as fragile as peanut brittle.