2004 C5 Z06 - Buying one with mods - reputable dealer/shop?
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2004 C5 Z06 - Buying one with mods - reputable dealer/shop?
Hey all. I have been eyeing the newer vettes for a while, but have always liked the C5 body style - it really is the smoothest looking one ever.
The new z06 ones have a TON of HP compared to these older ones though - which I don't know if I need, but it certainly gives bragging rights.
I have heard over the years of shops that specialize in corvette upgrades/restorations. I am in the north east, so if I were to buy one, I would prefer in the quadrant, but I wouldn't rule out paying for shipping if there is one place on the wet coast that is leaps and bounds above the rest.
My specific preferences: Coupe, hard top, bright red, manual transmission, z06.
If I could find one that has low miles, and has been professionally upgraded and tested - I would love it!
Any recommendations or shops to look at?
The new z06 ones have a TON of HP compared to these older ones though - which I don't know if I need, but it certainly gives bragging rights.
I have heard over the years of shops that specialize in corvette upgrades/restorations. I am in the north east, so if I were to buy one, I would prefer in the quadrant, but I wouldn't rule out paying for shipping if there is one place on the wet coast that is leaps and bounds above the rest.
My specific preferences: Coupe, hard top, bright red, manual transmission, z06.
If I could find one that has low miles, and has been professionally upgraded and tested - I would love it!
Any recommendations or shops to look at?
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Buying a car with mods can be a crap shoot. Some are done right by professionals but too many are done by amateur mechanics with mail order parts. Depending on where you live those "improvements" (mods) may cause problems with emission testing done in many states. Generally a vehicle that an owner spent a ton of money on mods is worth no more than a stock proper unmolested car. Than being said if you really want a modified car you could get lucky and save a buck. Tell your insurance company you have a modified car with performance improvements and see what that say about coverage. Drive a stock car and see if you really need those bragging rights modifications. I got over that after my teen age years so I no longer require loud mufflers, headers, cams, turbos and big sound systems.
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Buying a car with mods can be a crap shoot. Some are done right by professionals but too many are done by amateur mechanics with mail order parts. Depending on where you live those "improvements" (mods) may cause problems with emission testing done in many states. Generally a vehicle that an owner spent a ton of money on mods is worth no more than a stock proper unmolested car. Than being said if you really want a modified car you could get lucky and save a buck. Tell your insurance company you have a modified car with performance improvements and see what that say about coverage. Drive a stock car and see if you really need those bragging rights modifications. I got over that after my teen age years so I no longer require loud mufflers, headers, cams, turbos and big sound systems.
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I would consider not only who did the mods but also when they were done. I've seem plenty for sale threads for cars with mods that were just completed. Makes me think someone is done trying to figure out issues and is ready to move on. A mild heads/cam build done a decade ago, for example, was likely done right and has not been giving the owner fits.
I would also look at the owner...mature or immature, modified with a well thought out plan or just threw in the biggest cam he could find, does the car appear to have been well cared for, garage or outdoor living?
I would consider buying a modified car more risky but if you definitely want a modified car you basically get the mods for free - compared to buying a stock car and spending the money for the mods. If I were shopping I would also consider a car modded by a bigger name tuning shop like Lingenfelter. They obviously have plenty of experience, whomever paid for the work to be done was able to pay top dollar (some would argue overpaying), and I think the Lingenfelter car will hold value better than say my car with a heads/cam build completed by a reputable shop with a well known tuner.
I would also look at the owner...mature or immature, modified with a well thought out plan or just threw in the biggest cam he could find, does the car appear to have been well cared for, garage or outdoor living?
I would consider buying a modified car more risky but if you definitely want a modified car you basically get the mods for free - compared to buying a stock car and spending the money for the mods. If I were shopping I would also consider a car modded by a bigger name tuning shop like Lingenfelter. They obviously have plenty of experience, whomever paid for the work to be done was able to pay top dollar (some would argue overpaying), and I think the Lingenfelter car will hold value better than say my car with a heads/cam build completed by a reputable shop with a well known tuner.
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I am in Syracuse NY.
And yes, while doing some googling, I did come across Lingenfelter's page - and saw the prices!!! If I were to buy a 2004 z06 at roughly market value of 25000, and do the add ons there to get around 650hp, I think it was 40 or 50k.... I may as well buy the 2019 Z06 at that point which comes with 650 stock...
That is why I was seeing if anyone knew a shop like lingenfelters for example, that sold cars already with the work done - thereby 'getting the mods for free-ish'.
And yes, while doing some googling, I did come across Lingenfelter's page - and saw the prices!!! If I were to buy a 2004 z06 at roughly market value of 25000, and do the add ons there to get around 650hp, I think it was 40 or 50k.... I may as well buy the 2019 Z06 at that point which comes with 650 stock...
That is why I was seeing if anyone knew a shop like lingenfelters for example, that sold cars already with the work done - thereby 'getting the mods for free-ish'.
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Burning Brakes
There's a red supercharged FRC done by Lingenfelter here in Michigan in the for sale section. Just 6 hour drive through Canada.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ed-c5-frc.html
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ed-c5-frc.html
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That does look pretty nice. The receipts from Lingenfelter are nice too. However, with that many miles - it looks like I will have to refer to the C5 buying guide to look at allllllll those little things that seem to pop up with age/use.
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I am in Syracuse NY.
And yes, while doing some googling, I did come across Lingenfelter's page - and saw the prices!!! If I were to buy a 2004 z06 at roughly market value of 25000, and do the add ons there to get around 650hp, I think it was 40 or 50k.... I may as well buy the 2019 Z06 at that point which comes with 650 stock...
That is why I was seeing if anyone knew a shop like lingenfelters for example, that sold cars already with the work done - thereby 'getting the mods for free-ish'.
And yes, while doing some googling, I did come across Lingenfelter's page - and saw the prices!!! If I were to buy a 2004 z06 at roughly market value of 25000, and do the add ons there to get around 650hp, I think it was 40 or 50k.... I may as well buy the 2019 Z06 at that point which comes with 650 stock...
That is why I was seeing if anyone knew a shop like lingenfelters for example, that sold cars already with the work done - thereby 'getting the mods for free-ish'.
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Consider buying a lower mileage C5 in the color and transmission you want, having it checked out mechanically (if you don't do it yourself) to make sure no major issues are glaring at you. Then ... find a shop you like and get a quote for some upgrades. Kooks headers, x-pipe, a cat back of your choice, Vararam, Texas Speed cam, 4.10 gear swap, Dyno tune, etc ... is in the ball park of $6k depending on what you go with. My guess is you should see a HP bump of 60-70 HP or so, it will sound great, have a nice idle, and you will experience seat of the pants fun with the torque increase! IF that isn't enough, add a supercharger for another $7-8k or so depending on SC of your choice.
Buying one that is already 'done' is a crap shoot and pretty risky in my humble opinion. You don't know for sure how much its been beat, raced, cared for etc .... again, just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions.
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Buying one that is already 'done' is a crap shoot and pretty risky in my humble opinion. You don't know for sure how much its been beat, raced, cared for etc .... again, just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions.
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If you decide to buy a stock C5 and then mod it, check out Phoenix Performance in Phoenixville PA. It's an incredible facility and even though their primary focus is road racing, I'm sure they would be able to get your car to whatever HP goal you have in mind. Good luck in your journey
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Consider buying a lower mileage C5 in the color and transmission you want, having it checked out mechanically (if you don't do it yourself) to make sure no major issues are glaring at you. Then ... find a shop you like and get a quote for some upgrades. Kooks headers, x-pipe, a cat back of your choice, Vararam, Texas Speed cam, 4.10 gear swap, Dyno tune, etc ... is in the ball park of $6k depending on what you go with. My guess is you should see a HP bump of 60-70 HP or so, it will sound great, have a nice idle, and you will experience seat of the pants fun with the torque increase! IF that isn't enough, add a supercharger for another $7-8k or so depending on SC of your choice.
Buying one that is already 'done' is a crap shoot and pretty risky in my humble opinion. You don't know for sure how much its been beat, raced, cared for etc .... again, just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions.
YetMan
Buying one that is already 'done' is a crap shoot and pretty risky in my humble opinion. You don't know for sure how much its been beat, raced, cared for etc .... again, just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions.
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It is really tempting to buy one already modded, since the original owner will take a massive financial hit with all of the mods. Buying one stock or near stock and doing it yourself may be the best (since you know how and who modded), but is a lot more expensive.
However, if you buy one that has been modded, do your homework and make sure you take it to a highly qualified speed shop for a thorough evaluation. You mentioned one, Ligenfelter. There are others too like Vengeance Racing.
Best of luck whatever you decide to do.
However, if you buy one that has been modded, do your homework and make sure you take it to a highly qualified speed shop for a thorough evaluation. You mentioned one, Ligenfelter. There are others too like Vengeance Racing.
Best of luck whatever you decide to do.
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When you mod a car, any car, any shop, any parts you take on a certain level of risk. You mentioned 650hp earleir. If that's what you "want" from a C5 be prepared for a lifetime of maintenance, repairs, tweaking, it's just the nature of the beast.
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Do not buy any C5 that has major engine mods or supercharger.....period. It does not matter who the shop was that built it. If you happen to be able to buy a car from a best buddy or relative that you've been able to spend time with the car over the last couple of years to make sure the car is stable, then maybe. Otherwise you're buying somebody else's money pit.....why would somebody spend $10k to $20k modifying a car and then sell it?
If the engine only had a CAI and headers, then ok.....but if they've cracked the engine open or it is force induction run away. These are not new cars that are still under warranty anymore.....who knows how many different people have worked on the car and how perfect each of them was. And if the car was "modified" to make an extra 100 plus horsepower, what do you think the owner did with it.....drive it to church with his grandma? No, he beat the crap out of it which means other components like clutches, transmissions, diffs and halfshafts may be on borrowed time.
Just pick any major "Corvette Shop" and google their name with the words "engine problems", "engine failure", "engine reliability", etc. Just because a shop has a big name and is known does not mean they do great work. Be careful. I think finding a cream puff you really like is the best starting place and then after driving it for a while you can decide if you need more power.
Good luck with your search.
If the engine only had a CAI and headers, then ok.....but if they've cracked the engine open or it is force induction run away. These are not new cars that are still under warranty anymore.....who knows how many different people have worked on the car and how perfect each of them was. And if the car was "modified" to make an extra 100 plus horsepower, what do you think the owner did with it.....drive it to church with his grandma? No, he beat the crap out of it which means other components like clutches, transmissions, diffs and halfshafts may be on borrowed time.
Just pick any major "Corvette Shop" and google their name with the words "engine problems", "engine failure", "engine reliability", etc. Just because a shop has a big name and is known does not mean they do great work. Be careful. I think finding a cream puff you really like is the best starting place and then after driving it for a while you can decide if you need more power.
Good luck with your search.
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Do not buy any C5 that has major engine mods or supercharger.....period. It does not matter who the shop was that built it. If you happen to be able to buy a car from a best buddy or relative that you've been able to spend time with the car over the last couple of years to make sure the car is stable, then maybe. Otherwise you're buying somebody else's money pit.....why would somebody spend $10k to $20k modifying a car and then sell it?
If the engine only had a CAI and headers, then ok.....but if they've cracked the engine open or it is force induction run away. These are not new cars that are still under warranty anymore.....who knows how many different people have worked on the car and how perfect each of them was. And if the car was "modified" to make an extra 100 plus horsepower, what do you think the owner did with it.....drive it to church with his grandma? No, he beat the crap out of it which means other components like clutches, transmissions, diffs and halfshafts may be on borrowed time.
Just pick any major "Corvette Shop" and google their name with the words "engine problems", "engine failure", "engine reliability", etc. Just because a shop has a big name and is known does not mean they do great work. Be careful. I think finding a cream puff you really like is the best starting place and then after driving it for a while you can decide if you need more power.
Good luck with your search.
If the engine only had a CAI and headers, then ok.....but if they've cracked the engine open or it is force induction run away. These are not new cars that are still under warranty anymore.....who knows how many different people have worked on the car and how perfect each of them was. And if the car was "modified" to make an extra 100 plus horsepower, what do you think the owner did with it.....drive it to church with his grandma? No, he beat the crap out of it which means other components like clutches, transmissions, diffs and halfshafts may be on borrowed time.
Just pick any major "Corvette Shop" and google their name with the words "engine problems", "engine failure", "engine reliability", etc. Just because a shop has a big name and is known does not mean they do great work. Be careful. I think finding a cream puff you really like is the best starting place and then after driving it for a while you can decide if you need more power.
Good luck with your search.
Also, life happens and peoples situations change and they lose money on things. I had a perfect 99 Camaro SS that I absolutely loved back in 2002-2003. Heads, cam, built 6 speed, Ford 9", full BMR suspension, the works. It was my high school dream car. I loved that thing and had FAR more fun working on it and doing the mods than anything else. But then something happened... I found my C5 and bought it. I had both, and after a short while the only time I drove my Camaro was when it was in the way. So I sold it and someone got a screaming deal on a well built car. There was nothing wrong with it, it had no issues. I sold it because I no longer wanted it (and still kick myself 15+ years later).
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This is absolutely ridiculous advice. You are making a ton of assumptions. Personally, I've done every mod under the sun aside from forced induction to my car, including a larger motor, new transmission (that was replaced with an upgraded unit, not because I had to) and a stronger rear end with different gearing etc. The majority of these mods were done over 10 years and 30K trouble free miles ago and the ONLY thing that makes me think twice about taking it on long trips are ground clearance (it's lowered on coil overs and I have an aftermarket front splitter) and I'm not too keen on parking it in busy hotel parking lots overnight. Bumps in the road and that aside, I wouldn't hesitate to drive it across the country right now. I might change the oil first because it is due soon, but that has nothing to do with reliability. I have almost $40K invested in my car NOT including purchase price and there's absolutely no chance of me recovering that if I should ever sell. If I did sell, someone would be getting a hell of a deal on a lot of high end quality parts that have been properly installed, well taken care of and maintained at pennies on the dollar. Many others have done the same on here and would be in the same position. Don't push your irrational fears on others just because you may have had a bad experience or read about someone who has on the internet. I guarantee a FAR greater percentage of people have had positive experiences with modifications, or they wouldn't be so popular.
There are people dumping unsorted basketcases out there. I think you'd be just a few questions into a conversation to identify those cars. My exhaust/heads/cam install was done professionally a few years ago without a single hick-up/code/stall since. I don't beat on my car either, and to assume everyone with a little extra hp does is ridiculous. A boosted car might make me a little nervous, but again, do your homework. I put a Kenne Bell supercharger on my V8 Grand Cherokee in the early 2000s and drove it daily for 75,000 miles/5 years with no issues. I sold it (to a friend) because the car was 7-8 years old and had 100,000+ miles on it, not because the car was giving me issues. These LS motors are stout foundations and if the work is done right can be reliable for a long time. And, oh yea, unmodified engines, transmissions, rearends, etc. also fail.
And OP, you mentioned is a previous post concerns of addressing the C5 issues because of higher miles. Many of the issues are not a mileage issues, they're prone to the car and/or resulting from the age of the car. Anticipate addressing them with a low, mid or higher mileage car.
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